Power Of The Primes Deluxe Class Rippersnapper In Hand

ZeroWolf wrote:What's project storm? Hmm guess chances are then that battletrap will be the only duocon in this line (though we could see more in the next lines)

Another name for the Authentics line used by Hasbro.

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Some more Wonderfest images, from Dengeki Hobby.

steals_your_goats wrote:I assume this means that we'll get the remaining prime masters packaged in with exclusives (repugnus, wreck gar) or they'll do a Predaking and put them in with any combiner box sets that may or may not be happening.

So does this mean inferno isn't happening? What about project storm? Seems odd to leave those things out and save them for SDCC when they'll most likely be focusing on War for Cybertron.

Whoa there, slow down those pessimistic thoughts!

First of, Inferno is still happening in Wave 3, (early) Summer. Secondly, we still have a Wave or 2 in all Classes that's unknown to us (the possible Wave 5 would be a tight squeeze, unless the WFC Trilogy is scooted up a Wave or if's released side-by-side. We can hope!). Finally, we haven't even hit Spring, let alone the half-year mark.

Project Storm is nothing more but the Authentics, as explained before.

*brings out more tissues after the images*

Albatross250 wrote::-( Ruination. too bad its just a custom paint

Hasbro missed out on a huge opportunity to release that combiner in EVERY. COLOR. EVAAHHHH!!

I for one would have bought the Camo Grey at least

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:I assume this means that we'll get the remaining prime masters packaged in with exclusives (repugnus, wreck gar) or they'll do a Predaking and put them in with any combiner box sets that may or may not be happening.

So does this mean inferno isn't happening? What about project storm? Seems odd to leave those things out and save them for SDCC when they'll most likely be focusing on War for Cybertron.

Whoa there, slow down those pessimistic thoughts!

First of, Inferno is still happening in Wave 3, (early) Summer. Secondly, we still have a Wave or 2 in all Classes that's unknown to us (the possible Wave 5 would be a tight squeeze, unless the WFC Trilogy is scooted up a Wave or if's released side-by-side. We can hope!). Finally, we haven't even hit Spring, let alone the half-year mark.

Project Storm is nothing more but the Authentics, as explained before.

*brings out more tissues after the images*

War for Cybertron starts in January of 2019, there are typically 4 waves in a year and Novastar is the only new figure in wave 4 as shown in the original leaks. There's no reason to believe that any new figures have yet to be revealed for potp besides exclusives.

I am soo ready for Optimal Optimus. Too bad they skipped the gorilla truck mode, some wheels and all you have to do is fold up the wings, but oh well. Still looks great.

I love how he looks!



This one.... Not so much tbh:

steals_your_goats wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:I assume this means that we'll get the remaining prime masters packaged in with exclusives (repugnus, wreck gar) or they'll do a Predaking and put them in with any combiner box sets that may or may not be happening.

So does this mean inferno isn't happening? What about project storm? Seems odd to leave those things out and save them for SDCC when they'll most likely be focusing on War for Cybertron.

Whoa there, slow down those pessimistic thoughts!

First of, Inferno is still happening in Wave 3, (early) Summer. Secondly, we still have a Wave or 2 in all Classes that's unknown to us (the possible Wave 5 would be a tight squeeze, unless the WFC Trilogy is scooted up a Wave or if's released side-by-side. We can hope!). Finally, we haven't even hit Spring, let alone the half-year mark.

Project Storm is nothing more but the Authentics, as explained before.

*brings out more tissues after the images*

War for Cybertron starts in January of 2019, there are typically 4 waves in a year and Novastar is the only new figure in wave 4 as shown in the original leaks. There's no reason to believe that any new figures have yet to be revealed for potp besides exclusives.

Wave 4 of the Deluxes, but the other Classes only had 3 leaked.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:I assume this means that we'll get the remaining prime masters packaged in with exclusives (repugnus, wreck gar) or they'll do a Predaking and put them in with any combiner box sets that may or may not be happening.

So does this mean inferno isn't happening? What about project storm? Seems odd to leave those things out and save them for SDCC when they'll most likely be focusing on War for Cybertron.

Whoa there, slow down those pessimistic thoughts!

First of, Inferno is still happening in Wave 3, (early) Summer. Secondly, we still have a Wave or 2 in all Classes that's unknown to us (the possible Wave 5 would be a tight squeeze, unless the WFC Trilogy is scooted up a Wave or if's released side-by-side. We can hope!). Finally, we haven't even hit Spring, let alone the half-year mark.

Project Storm is nothing more but the Authentics, as explained before.

*brings out more tissues after the images*

War for Cybertron starts in January of 2019, there are typically 4 waves in a year and Novastar is the only new figure in wave 4 as shown in the original leaks. There's no reason to believe that any new figures have yet to be revealed for potp besides exclusives.

Wave 4 of the Deluxes, but the other Classes only had 3 leaked.

Which could just mean that there are no other classes in wave 4. Much like wave 6 of Titans return.

steals_your_goats wrote:Which could just mean that there are no other classes in wave 4. Much like wave 6 of Titans return.

Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Some more pics I recently saw passing on FB:














https://www.facebook.com/unicroncom/videos/10155569155364912/

Sjeng, Jump back a few pages or check the front page.
Seibertron's top notch news team has it covered.

Cobotron wrote:Sjeng, Jump back a few pages or check the front page.
Seibertron's top notch news team has it covered.

Ah lol, oops. Thanks!

william-james88 wrote:
My main negative is that they dont change anything about his forearms between modes. The gorilla mode and Robot mode already share everything in the lower body so I would hope for at least some kind of change in the arms, like the original toy has. but no. So basically, just the chest and head change between two modes.

He's mistransformed. On closeup you can see attachement points on and for the arm shields. Also on the gray models we got some month ago we can see the arm shiels monted on shoulders oon robot mode.



He's mistransformed on all his forms in fact. The legs of the gorilla are supposed to retract, and not sitting like an old He-Man figure.



Same for the backpack head, too hard to rotate at the show ?





(Yes, I'm the guy who love and will defend this toy whathever happens).

steals_your_goats wrote:War for Cybertron starts in January of 2019, there are typically 4 waves in a year and Novastar is the only new figure in wave 4 as shown in the original leaks. There's no reason to believe that any new figures have yet to be revealed for potp besides exclusives.

The original leaks only showed us Wave 4 for deluxes. We didnt see wave 4 for the other classes so we do not know if the waves of other classes will have new figures or just be repacks.

Sjeng wrote:

Could you give us a link to where you found this image please?

ExciKaiser wrote:He's mistransformed. On closeup you can see attachement points on and for the arm shields. Also on the gray models we got some month ago we can see the arm shiels monted on shoulders oon robot mode.

Thanks for all the info. I especially like the bit about the retractable legs, that means all his limbs need some form of change from one mode to the next, and that does make it a plus over the original.

it's one of the many many pictures in this FB album.

Hope it works. Feast your eyes

It's a shame PotP is ending so soon. Guess if I want more combiners, I'll try to get some of the other boxset (G2 Superion, G2 Bruticus and Computron) if I'm not going to have to check the budget for waves 5-6. Or even 4 if it's mostly repacks.

ok.. this is pretty damn disappointing though:







the upper legs and hips are simply hung off their backs!!!

steals_your_goats wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:I assume this means that we'll get the remaining prime masters packaged in with exclusives (repugnus, wreck gar) or they'll do a Predaking and put them in with any combiner box sets that may or may not be happening.

So does this mean inferno isn't happening? What about project storm? Seems odd to leave those things out and save them for SDCC when they'll most likely be focusing on War for Cybertron.

Whoa there, slow down those pessimistic thoughts!

First of, Inferno is still happening in Wave 3, (early) Summer. Secondly, we still have a Wave or 2 in all Classes that's unknown to us (the possible Wave 5 would be a tight squeeze, unless the WFC Trilogy is scooted up a Wave or if's released side-by-side. We can hope!). Finally, we haven't even hit Spring, let alone the half-year mark.

Project Storm is nothing more but the Authentics, as explained before.

*brings out more tissues after the images*

War for Cybertron starts in January of 2019, there are typically 4 waves in a year and Novastar is the only new figure in wave 4 as shown in the original leaks. There's no reason to believe that any new figures have yet to be revealed for potp besides exclusives.

Wave 4 of the Deluxes, but the other Classes only had 3 leaked.

Which could just mean that there are no other classes in wave 4. Much like wave 6 of Titans return.

I said it when the leak was first leaked. We're not getting anything more than what was leaked.

Sjeng wrote:I love how he looks!



This one.... Not so much tbh:

Sjeng wrote:ok.. this is pretty damn disappointing though:







the upper legs and hips are simply hung off their backs!!!

THIS is why the preadcons (and ergo Pradaking) should NEVER have been used as a Titan class figure.

Loving that G1 config of Abominus.

I don't understand why they didn't use the Preds as regular combiners and make the Dinobots as the Titan class figure, tbh.

Wish I had my phone on me, but I spotted prime masters for wave 2 at Target in MI today. Also picked up some of wave 2 deluxes and prime from Wal-Mart when I went no kids dinner shopping, had the phone that timw.

Acesmcgee wrote:Wish I had my phone on me, but I spotted prime masters for wave 2 at Target in MI today. Also picked up some of wave 2 deluxes and prime from Wal-Mart when I went no kids dinner shopping, had the phone that timw.

Congrats ACES. I've been looking for those around the Canton/Livonia area of MI. No luck on anything but Rodimus Unicronus.

I'm super curious to see the back side of Optimal Optimus. I still can't quite wrap my head around how the black robot fits into the orange robot (and orange monkey backpack).

I just realized something. With the currently officially revealed products for PotP, along with CW, we have 52 different Scramble style bots. A perfect multiple of 4. If Blast Off and Repugnus are released in May that offsets it again. Darn it. Want the characters but would love it if I could have set teams. Heres hoping there are 2 more deluxes yet to come.

Also, i really hope we see a couple boxsets too (Seacons somehow, and Dinoking/Monstructor somehow)

ThunderThruster wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:I assume this means that we'll get the remaining prime masters packaged in with exclusives (repugnus, wreck gar) or they'll do a Predaking and put them in with any combiner box sets that may or may not be happening.

So does this mean inferno isn't happening? What about project storm? Seems odd to leave those things out and save them for SDCC when they'll most likely be focusing on War for Cybertron.

Whoa there, slow down those pessimistic thoughts!

First of, Inferno is still happening in Wave 3, (early) Summer. Secondly, we still have a Wave or 2 in all Classes that's unknown to us (the possible Wave 5 would be a tight squeeze, unless the WFC Trilogy is scooted up a Wave or if's released side-by-side. We can hope!). Finally, we haven't even hit Spring, let alone the half-year mark.

Project Storm is nothing more but the Authentics, as explained before.

*brings out more tissues after the images*

War for Cybertron starts in January of 2019, there are typically 4 waves in a year and Novastar is the only new figure in wave 4 as shown in the original leaks. There's no reason to believe that any new figures have yet to be revealed for potp besides exclusives.

Wave 4 of the Deluxes, but the other Classes only had 3 leaked.

Which could just mean that there are no other classes in wave 4. Much like wave 6 of Titans return.

I said it when the leak was first leaked. We're not getting anything more than what was leaked.

I think we're ALL getting a little ahead of ourselves. To my knowledge, no official source has ever said that Wave 4 will be the last of the Power of the Primes. In fact, I would say that there is no reason to believe that Novastar is the only Wave 4 figure.

We KNOW that we have to get ALL of the Prime Masters, right? Even IF Onyx ONLY comes with Predaking, (which would be unfortunate, but I can NOW see that happening) that STILL leaves four more Prime Masters. That leaves AT LEAST one more wave of Prime Masters.

Given that everything that is "officially" revealed was in that Big Leak (which didn't specify waves for Deluxes) I think they're just playing catch-up. Hasbro tries to reveal-things-without-revealing-things all the time. But, given the fallout after the PotP leak, they clearly did not intend for this leak to happen.

I think there is still a decent amount of PotPs ahead of us. Not ENOUGH, mind you... I think it probably will fizzle out the same way that Titans Return did... :/

I HAD a theory that between exclusives and box sets, we would get special editions of all Prime Masters (the likes of Blast Off) without Pretender Shells. Less confident about that, now.

But, I could be wrong. I just think we should all chill out for a sec.

So, been playing with Moony, her backpack is still there, of course. But it makes her leg mode pretty cool looking, arm mode is kind of so-so. Maybe I am not doing it right, I may have tossed the directions because I can't find them. Alt mode is...Well, she reminded me of the sausages I was eating, long and thin. Robot mode is ok over all, even with the back pack. My over all verdict, if you wanted her to begin with, find her, you'll enjoy. If you are on the fence, perhaps hold off for a better review than mine.
Ripper snapper though, awesome remold of darkwing seemingly. In robot mode his tail tucks away and becomes heel spurs. The faux rubsign on his alt mode head is actually pretty cool in person. Limb modes were fun and easy, and I can't wait to find Hun-Grr to pair up with him. Alt mode was everything I dreamed of when I heard Abominus was coming, a hunched over.shark monster. A very good update on a figure I owned and loved. Only thing to try and.watch out for, my R.S. has some mold flash on the shoulders and a spot of red paint on his elbows ball joint. It maybe hard to catch as it's the back of my shoulders, and maybe a poor QC issue that won't really crop up too often.

Sjeng wrote:ok.. this is pretty damn disappointing though:







the upper legs and hips are simply hung off their backs!!!

if they didnt do it that way with predakings upper legs attached to the lower legs razerclaw would end up being a leader class size but i still think predaking is going to be a bit shorter than devastator for being a titan class

Lucky Logician wrote:I'm super curious to see the back side of Optimal Optimus. I still can't quite wrap my head around how the black robot fits into the orange robot (and orange monkey backpack).

It doesn't. The black robot just hangs off the orange monkey's back and butt:

Now I'm not sure if I'm going to buy the oversized MMC Predaking or this one. I'm really not sure, but considering that the ko has a sword, and doesn't have the above issue, I'm definitely leaning towards the big ko.

Amid all the findings of wv2 deluxes..I came up short.
But I did find wv2 legends.

Interestingly local Walmart are hit or miss as most don't carry the masters. Can't wait for more

Sabrblade wrote:

Lucky Logician wrote:I'm super curious to see the back side of Optimal Optimus. I still can't quite wrap my head around how the black robot fits into the orange robot (and orange monkey backpack).

It doesn't. The black robot just hangs off the orange monkey's back and butt:

thats a little disappointing, i wonder if its even necessary to have it hanging there anyway

It is not. You can instead use it as his surfboard.

Ultra Markus wrote:

thats a little disappointing, i wonder if its even necessary to have it hanging there anyway

It's only for the "armored monkey mode". It hang less for the robot mode.

So this is good news/bad news for me I guess. I'm not interested at all in WfC/FoC any Cybebertron figures. That's just not my thing. We don't know much about how PotP is ending and what it's ending with but since I'm only getting the Dinobots, Elita-1, a few legends and probably half the Prime Masters, I think I can budget for Predaking on sale come the end of the year and maybe even Evolution Optimus Prime.

Not planning to spend anything for a while suddenly opens up options that would normally be closed. Another option might be Abominus. I do still need a combiner. I really want Piranacon but if PotP is ending this year I think it will be a few years before we get him. I still don't like Predaking being so much larger than my combiners, but I'll have two with lots of parts to switch out so that's a fair fight I think.

I do wonder if Snapdragon and Apeface will come out in the Cybertron series, and I have the same question about Star Saber. So I'll have to keep some budget in mind for any potential surprises like that. But I'd be surprised if didn't start with better versions of the main figures to start with before going with figures we thought would come out in more recent lines. I may have some hard decisions to make, especially if we get a voyager OP and Megatron, but to me Transformers is an Earth based robots in disguise series. That's what I grew up with and that's how I like it most. I really hope the next toy series goes well and we get some cool animation stories with it, but I'll be happy for the break and happier for the bonus of getting some figures I'd normally never think possible.



On a side note, does anyone know what Octopunch turns into? I still don't think I like it, but I am curious what it is supposed to be. I thought it would become the Forge of Solus Prime. Unless that's a new interpretation?

Bradimus wrote:On a side note, does anyone know what Octopunch turns into?

A crossbow.... maybe?

Bradimus wrote:On a side note, does anyone know what Octopunch turns into? I still don't think I like it, but I am curious what it is supposed to be. I thought it would become the Forge of Solus Prime. Unless that's a new interpretation?

A tentacle whip-like weapon, kinda like the Cat o' nine tails maybe? Better keep the girls away from it. I'll take crossbow too...

That weapon piece is more for decoration of the Shell anyway. Can't have an Octopunch without tentacles in some shape or form, right?

william-james88 wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Lucky Logician wrote:I still can't quite wrap my head around how the black robot fits into the orange robot (and orange monkey backpack).

It doesn't. The black robot just hangs off the orange monkey's back and butt:

thats a little disappointing, i wonder if its even necessary to have it hanging there anyway

It is not. You can instead use it as his surfboard.

I think it must be mistransformed (big surprise). It looks different compared with stock images. Especially since there is no way the black robot could hang like that if the legs were transformed correctly on the orange monkey.

As a side note, were there any pictures of the surfboard or jet mode?

Lucky Logician wrote:As a side note, were there any pictures of the surfboard or jet mode?

Nope. Neither was on display.

So is the successor to PotP a Generations subline or is it just Cyberverse from here on?

Skritz wrote:So is the successor to PotP a Generations subline or is it just Cyberverse from here on?

Cyberverse has nothing to do with Generations. The Prime Wars Trilogy will be succeeded by the War for Cybertron Trilogy (no relation to the video games of the same name, aside from sharing the same concept of "pre-Earth Cybertronian forms").

Sabrblade wrote:

Skritz wrote:So is the successor to PotP a Generations subline or is it just Cyberverse from here on?

Cyberverse has nothing to do with Generations. The Prime Wars Trilogy will be succeeded by the War for Cybertron Trilogy (no relation to the video games of the same name, aside from sharing the same concept of "pre-Earth Cybertronian forms").

Well, I'll be cautiously optimistic on the basis that I 1) like futuristic/alien alt modes and B) because I started collecting around Titans Return, my main lineup of Autobots are retro futuristic vehicles anyway, being the classic Headmasters and the Jumpstarters. With any luck, there will be some decent Cybertronian mode Decepticons to go along with them.

My gut tell me this will be '84 cast all over again but with any luck there might be good take on characters I don't already have. Could use a Shockwave and Soundwave in my collection, for one thing.

Sabrblade wrote:

Skritz wrote:So is the successor to PotP a Generations subline or is it just Cyberverse from here on?

Cyberverse has nothing to do with Generations. The Prime Wars Trilogy will be succeeded by the War for Cybertron Trilogy (no relation to the video games of the same name, aside from sharing the same concept of "pre-Earth Cybertronian forms").

This proves to me how harmful bullshit speculative articles like this one from Tformers can be https://tformers.com/till-all-are-one-i ... /news.html

After Hasbro was clear as can be as to the future of the generations toyline, people are still confused. And all because of some unfounded and really illogical rumour. It was further propogated by a TFW article which also hinted that cyberverse/evergreen designs might take over.

I feel like writing a quick editorial just to clarify things, now that we have the right info, but I fear other sites would see it as me bashing them when all I want to do is course correct the crap they started.

Personally, the next generation line wont be anything really different than what we have gotten. It will just be modern interpretations of old characters. TR Astrotain, for instance, could easily have been something for that line since all we know is that alt modes wont be specifically of the realistic variety. And really, looking at POTP, how many are? Leader Optimus, the two deluxe jets and starscream. The rest could have easil been in a line like what is coming after.

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Ok so about Predaking, I know that the back of the robot modes for the legs look like eye sores and I also think it doesnt look good. But I know why its there. Is so that Steeljaw isnt bigger than the rest. I have the KO Feral Rex and the alt modes are not great, at all. Especially the Steeljaw component which looks completely out of wack in the proportions department. Plus, the combined mode ends up loooking hunched over all the time and a little stumpy since there isnt much leg before the knee. This predaking looks the best out of all of them so far (including G1) and thats due to the better proportioned legs, which of course give this crappy consequence.

In the end, I guess 2 predakings are needed in a collection, this new one and the G1 version to see the potential of the designs. Those G1 animal alt modes are still the best out there.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Skritz wrote:So is the successor to PotP a Generations subline or is it just Cyberverse from here on?

Cyberverse has nothing to do with Generations. The Prime Wars Trilogy will be succeeded by the War for Cybertron Trilogy (no relation to the video games of the same name, aside from sharing the same concept of "pre-Earth Cybertronian forms").

This proves to me how harmful bullshit speculative articles like this one from Tformers can be https://tformers.com/till-all-are-one-i ... /news.html

After Hasbro was clear as can be as to the future of the generations toyline, people are still confused. And all because of some unfounded and really illogical rumour. It was further propogated by a TFW article which also hinted that cyberverse/evergreen designs might take over.

I feel like writing a quick editorial just to clarify things, now that we have the right info, but I fear other sites would see it as me bashing them when all I want to do is course correct the crap they started.

Personally, the next generation line wont be anything really different than what we have gotten. It will just be modern interpretations of old characters. TR Astrotain, for instance, could easily have been something for that line since all we know is that alt modes wont be specifically of the realistic variety. And really, looking at POTP, how many are? Leader Optimus, the two deluxe jets and starscream. The rest could have easil been in a line like what is coming after.

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Ok so about Predaking, I know that the back of the robot modes for the legs look like eye sores and I also think it doesnt look good. But I know why its there. Is so that Steeljaw isnt bigger than the rest. I have the KO Feral Rex and the alt modes are not great, at all. Especially the Steeljaw component which looks completely out of wack in the proportions department. Plus, the combined mode ends up loooking hunched over all the time and a little stumpy since there isnt much leg before the knee. This predaking looks the best out of all of them so far (including G1) and thats due to the better proportioned legs, which of course give this crappy consequence.

In the end, I guess 2 predakings are needed in a collection, this new one and the G1 version to see the potential of the designs. Those G1 animal alt modes are still the best out there.

What do you mean about "2 Predakings"?

Realistically, is there even a small chance of a Wave 5 of PotP even with the whole 'ending in 2018' part? I'm not really well versed in what the 'spacing' between a wave is, but that Wildfly head on Cutthroat bugs me to no end and make me wonder if there is indeed room to squeeze in a take on Monstructor....or am I just in denial and Hasbro clearly shelved that long ago?

It bugs me because the mold clearly exist and it would be such a shame it gets trashed, especially now that we lack things like the Collector's Club and Botcon.

primalxconvoy wrote:What do you mean about "2 Predakings"?

He just said which two: "this new one and the G1 version".

Skritz wrote:Realistically, is there even a small chance of a Wave 5 of PotP even with the whole 'ending in 2018' part? I'm not really well versed in what the 'spacing' between a wave is, but that Wildfly head on Cutthroat bugs me to no end and make me wonder if there is indeed room to squeeze in a take on Monstructor....or am I just in denial and Hasbro clearly shelved that long ago?

It bugs me because the mold clearly exist and it would be such a shame it gets trashed, especially now that we lack things like the Collector's Club and Botcon.

CW had plenty of unused head molds (that got used by the likes of TakaraTomy and the Club), so that's nothing new really. A full Wave 4 is still possible, only to get us a Waverider to complete the Autobot Pretender roster.

Skritz wrote:Realistically, is there even a small chance of a Wave 5 of PotP even with the whole 'ending in 2018' part? I'm not really well versed in what the 'spacing' between a wave is, but that Wildfly head on Cutthroat bugs me to no end and make me wonder if there is indeed room to squeeze in a take on Monstructor....or am I just in denial and Hasbro clearly shelved that long ago?

It bugs me because the mold clearly exist and it would be such a shame it gets trashed, especially now that we lack things like the Collector's Club and Botcon.

Hasbro rarely says definitive things unless its to say "NO", and with them clearly stating that it ends in 2018, their schedule, then I would find it very hard to believe that there are more than 4 waves. So that answers one of your question.

BUT

That doesnt mean we wont see those molds. As we have seen in every line of this trilogy so far, they will make box sets. I totally see a monstructor/dinoking boxset happening. Those would always have been too niche to be part of a wave anyways, so I would never have seen them as anything else than a box set type thing.

So you are not in denial, there are plenty of opportunities for us to see these molds, it just wont be wave 5 of POTP (which doesnt exist).