Power of the Primes Wave 2 Deluxes Out in Singapore

ZeroWolf wrote:I suspect we will see flywheels as you can't have one duocon without the other. Though a thought occurs, while I don't think it would happen in this line but I wonder the possibility that they may make a version of the multiforce team from Victory. I wouldn't expect them to form land cross but it would be awesome if they did.

I've been thinking the same thing about the Mulitforce. went through the trouble of figuring out not just how to make a Duocon but to have each individual vehicle transform into its own robot mode. I just hope if does the Mulitiforce they make them deluxe instead of legends class.

It's like I said with Dinotbot Slash: This mold was made to be upscaled and retooled into Beast Wars Dinobot. I get that same feeling with the upcoming legends class Duocon Battletrap. I don't know if this is something being worked on for the next toy line theme (and tested here) or the one after that, but I do believe it's coming. And I hope the Breastforce is coming with it.

As for the missing Headmasters (in particular Snapdraggon and Apeface), I very much hope they are next, but that might depend on if wants to continue that cheaper line with Titan Masters and maybe some more Prime Masters. I'd love to see the Classic Pretenders as Decoy Armor for Titan Masters Bumblebee, Starscream (the seeker head), Grimlock (yeah we already got him as Clobber but why not get him all black this time?) and Jazz. Maybe they could come up with two more and complete the line of 12 with six more Prime Masters (this is where that Vector Sigma with Alpha Trion Decoy Armor that I want would fit in nicely). Add in an accessory line so we can purchase Prime Armor hand and foot sets to upgrade the CW combiners and add heel spurs if we want to for our PotP combiners and that's the start of a really good in-between line while they put the finishing touches of the big boys (Multiforce, Breastforce).

For leaders they could do some mix and match with evolution Star Saber (if he's not part of this line) and some sort of leader class titan master that I can't think of off the top of my head. I know a lot of people want Scorponok as a leader based on his Marvel Comics form though since he'll probably be a titan class I just don't see that happening. However considering all the heads we got of actual figures in the Titan Master line (Cobber, Ptero, Brawn) why not ?

We're also overdue for a leader Megatron and I'd love to see Thrilling 30 Ultramagnus get his cab retooled to become a Titan Master with a toy style Titan Master face with a white head and blue face plate. Though maybe an evolution Ultra Magnus would be better? I'm sure we could think of others. I'd rather get a mixed line to complete what we haven't gotten (like Piranacon/King Poseidon unless he's coming out at the end this line next year which would work very well for me) then have rush something like the Multiforce. Though I wonder if they're thinking of doing actual brain masters next?

o.supreme wrote:I know Hasbro claims that what TFCC did in the past has no bearing on what Hasbro decides to release, but I cannot recall any TFCC toy characters that have been released later in the main line to date.

I can, a whole bunch too. There was Rewind, Chromedome, Alpha Trion, Overlord, G2 Dreadwing and most recently Battletrap.

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:I know Hasbro claims that what TFCC did in the past has no bearing on what Hasbro decides to release, but I cannot recall any TFCC toy characters that have been released later in the main line to date.

I can, a whole bunch too. There was Rewind, Chromedome, Alpha Trion, Overlord, G2 Dreadwing and most recently Battletrap.

My apologies. Let me clarify...I meant the exact same toys. Sure Hasbro has released other versions of those characters, but not the EXACT SAME ones that TFCC did. With PotP theme, I could not see Punch/Counterpunch as anything besides a deluxe limb, and I doubt HASBRO would release the exact same toy from TFCC 5.0

kurthy wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:I know Hasbro claims that what TFCC did in the past has no bearing on what Hasbro decides to release, but I cannot recall any TFCC toy characters that have been released later in the main line to date.

I can, a whole bunch too. There was Rewind, Chromedome, Alpha Trion, Overlord, G2 Dreadwing and most recently Battletrap.

My apologies. Let me clarify...I meant the exact same toys. Sure Hasbro has released other versions of those characters, but not the EXACT SAME ones that TFCC did. With PotP theme, I could not see Punch/Counterpunch as anything besides a deluxe limb, and I doubt HASBRO would release the exact same toy from TFCC 5.0

Yes, because they would use Jazz, novastar, or moonracer instead. I wouldn't ever expect them to use a past line's figures in a new line.

You mean like Dreadwind and Blackwing?

Just to further clarify, the OP I was quoting was hoping for a Punch/Counterpunch toy in PotP. I don't see it happening based on the Counterpunch figure released by TFCC for the 5.0 series. If I am wrong, then so be it, but at this point, I just don't see it happening.

Since the image is posted anyway, does anyone have any suggestions for a flight stand for Swoop (or any flying character for that matter) in a mainline size?

Randomhero wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Just to further clarify, the OP I was quoting was hoping for a Punch/Counterpunch toy in PotP. I don't see it happening based on the Counterpunch figure released by TFCC for the 5.0 series. If I am wrong, then so be it, but at this point, I just don't see it happening.

It never mattered what TFCC was doing. It mattered what Hasbro was doing, they’d tell aTFCC no plenty of timesdue to a character or the mold they wanted to use.

Punch/counterpunch just comes down to how faithful they want to be and the current gimmick. Titans return probably could have worked with 2 Titan masters but Hasbro also wants to use the right mold and gimmick for the right character. People have asked in Q n As before about certain characters and they’ve stated they want to make sure it represents the character to an extent. That’s why it took so long to make a new Soundwave.

For for Punch Probably won’t happen anytime soon. There’s no current gimmick that works for the character in faith. Best time would have been thrilling 30 when it was a free for all on characters and their respective gimmicks and characteristics

TFCC or maybe Bot Con did release a version of Punch/Counterpunch already using the Sideswipe / Sunsteaker mold from Generations. That's the version I'd like to see get a widespread release, instead of making individual combiner limbs from them.

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... ch/2120/1/

Bradimus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Bradimus wrote:Do we know when wave 3 is scheduled for release?

Everything is here

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... nts/39844/

The line will run for more than just this year.

Thanks for that list as always.

What I don't get is why packs mixes the deluxes in most waives. I understand they don't want homogeneous waves of 4 of the same type of robot but with a little planning and advertising on the boxes and web they could be very successful doing something like this:

My version of Wave 1:

Voyager

Grimlock

Starscream

Include advertising on the voyager boxes for Abominus so parents can give their kids a choice, buy Dinobots now or wait until wave 2 in the spring for the Terrorcons.

Deluxe

All 4 Deluxe Dinobots

Dinobot Slug [Slag]

Dinobot Sludge

Dinobot Snarl

Dinobot Swoop

Legends

Dinobot Slash

Skrapnel

Beachcomber

Windcharger

Leader

Optimus Prime

Rodimus Prime

Prime Masters

Liege Maximo with Skullgrin Decoy Armor

Micronus Prime with Cloudburst Decoy Armor

Vector Prime with Metalhawk Decoy Armor

Now I fully understand the argument against releasing a homogeneous combiner in two consecutive waves but looking at the variety of other types of vehicles in the overall line and the Prime Masters I think parents are smart enough to understand Volcanicus is wave 1 and Abominus is wave 2 so if they can only afford one for the year they can make the decision for or with their kids.

That brings ups to my version of Wave 2:

Voyager

Terrorcon Hun-Gurr

Elita-1

Again, advertise the combined modes (especially Abominus) and maybe show off some limbs from wave 3 and maybe wave 4 for Elita-1 to use.

Deluxe

All 4 Deluxe Terrorcons

Terrorcon Rippersnapper

Terrorcon Blot

Terrorcon Cutthroat

Sinnertwin

Legends

Battleslash

Roadtrap

Tailgate

Leader

Rodimus Unicronus

Optimus Prime (I guess)

Prime Masters

Alchemist Prime with Submarauder Decoy Armor

Alpha Trion with Landmine Decoy Aromor

Again, another wave with an entire combiner well advertised in advance so kids and parents can choose or even get both with lots of bargaining and arrangement of wishlists for family to see before birthdays.

The last wave I can take a shot at is Wave 3:

Voyager

Inferno

Grimlock (I guess)

Advertise combiners with limbs from this wave and the next (with coming this fall for the wave 4 limbs). A big problem with is keeping some things secret too long as we get deeper into the line like they did with Titans Return.

Deluxe

Autobot Jazz

Dreadwind

Blackwing

Moonracer

Legends

Cindersaur

Outback

Leader

Optimal Optimus

Rodimus Prime (I guess)

Prime Masters

Quintus Prime with Bludgeon Decoy Armor

Megatronus with Bomb-Burst Decoy Armor

Solus Prime with Octopunch Decoy Armor

Reorganizing makes wave 3 the first to have different options for deluxe class toys with cars and jets. But I think completing the first two major combiners one wave at a time would work better for everyone. Kids love dinosaurs and I think they love monsters, too. If anything it's the vehicles that might get hurt. I'd look at repackaging the figures that make up Volcanicus and Abominus for the holiday season. As for other options, leader and legends class figures provide different options as do the Prime Masters themselves, with the decoy armors having different looks and transforming into different guns and melee weapons. The variety is already built in, it's the distribution where the real problems seem lie.

But this is all just one fan/collector's opinion. Feel free to agree, disagree, or rip apart my waves with better logic. I'm curious what others think about all of this and I have clearly been inspired by other posters in this thread regarding distribution and what we learned from Combiner Wars to share my thoughts with you in detail.

Include advertising on the voyager boxes for Abominus so parents can give their kids a choice, buy Dinobots now or wait until wave 2 in the spring for the Terrorcons.

The problem is, in business what you just said accidentally, was "Don't buy these, buy something coming (much) later." the best they could shoot for is replace the cross-sell with " Coming Soon" but in the case of current combiners, they almost need the cross-sell to say "Hey, if you buy this figure and four of these, you can put them together and make a bigger figure!" marketing is never about selling the next thing, its about selling the stock you already have.

What do you mean "Hasbro keeps secrets and that hurt Titans Return?"

Bradimus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I suspect we will see flywheels as you can't have one duocon without the other. Though a thought occurs, while I don't think it would happen in this line but I wonder the possibility that they may make a version of the multiforce team from Victory. I wouldn't expect them to form land cross but it would be awesome if they did.

I've been thinking the same thing about the Mulitforce. went through the trouble of figuring out not just how to make a Duocon but to have each individual vehicle transform into its own robot mode. I just hope if does the Mulitiforce they make them deluxe instead of legends class.

It's like I said with Dinotbot Slash: This mold was made to be upscaled and retooled into Beast Wars Dinobot. I get that same feeling with the upcoming legends class Duocon Battletrap. I don't know if this is something being worked on for the next toy line theme (and tested here) or the one after that, but I do believe it's coming. And I hope the Breastforce is coming with it.

As for the missing Headmasters (in particular Snapdraggon and Apeface), I very much hope they are next, but that might depend on if wants to continue that cheaper line with Titan Masters and maybe some more Prime Masters. I'd love to see the Classic Pretenders as Decoy Armor for Titan Masters Bumblebee, Starscream (the seeker head), Grimlock (yeah we already got him as Clobber but why not get him all black this time?) and Jazz. Maybe they could come up with two more and complete the line of 12 with six more Prime Masters (this is where that Vector Sigma with Alpha Trion Decoy Armor that I want would fit in nicely). Add in an accessory line so we can purchase Prime Armor hand and foot sets to upgrade the CW combiners and add heel spurs if we want to for our PotP combiners and that's the start of a really good in-between line while they put the finishing touches of the big boys (Multiforce, Breastforce).

For leaders they could do some mix and match with evolution Star Saber (if he's not part of this line) and some sort of leader class titan master that I can't think of off the top of my head. I know a lot of people want Scorponok as a leader based on his Marvel Comics form though since he'll probably be a titan class I just don't see that happening. However considering all the heads we got of actual figures in the Titan Master line (Cobber, Ptero, Brawn) why not ?

We're also overdue for a leader Megatron and I'd love to see Thrilling 30 Ultramagnus get his cab retooled to become a Titan Master with a toy style Titan Master face with a white head and blue face plate. Though maybe an evolution Ultra Magnus would be better? I'm sure we could think of others. I'd rather get a mixed line to complete what we haven't gotten (like Piranacon/King Poseidon unless he's coming out at the end this line next year which would work very well for me) then have rush something like the Multiforce. Though I wonder if they're thinking of doing actual brain masters next?

We think alike with leader class star saber, this gimmick they are using is perfect for him, even if they aren't representing the brainmaster yuki.

Seriously? A generations ultra Magnus retool with a titan master gimmick?

If you were in front of me I’d throw a titans return power master Optimus prime at you and I would throw it with anger.

And we’re not due for a leader class Megatron. We got one 3 years ago!