Transformers Asia Masterpiece Shockwave to Include Megatron Gun Accessory

itscramtastic wrote:Stupid dang reissue Asia exclusives!! Dangit!!

I am sure Shajaki will clue us in on how to get these extras independently of the figure

Only MP1 (and repains) and Soundwave came with Megatron. The seekers came with a clip to hold him under his nose in jet mode, but not the actual gun itself.

Wolfman Jake wrote:There already was a Hasbro Asia release with a collector coin along with the Takara release in March, right?

yes there is http://tfsource.com/masterpiece/mp-shockwave-coin/

I held off on picking up Shocky in case some kind of defect reared its head. Is he a good masterpiece?

william-james88 wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:I held off on picking up Shocky in case some kind of defect reared its head. Is he a good masterpiece?

Yes but you don't get as much bang for your buck

Constructive counterpoint.

Aside from the lack of pew pew sounds and the "gerwalk" modes, he does everything what the G1 version does and better (articulation wise with some limitations of course)

Design wise, a more proportional emphasis to the anime

Minimum parts forming

Nuclear reactor conduit connector now a slinky (no more rubber rot)

Colors (well up to personal taste)

william-james88 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:I held off on picking up Shocky in case some kind of defect reared its head. Is he a good masterpiece?

Yes but you don't get as much bang for your buck

Constructive counterpoint.

Aside from the lack of pew pew sounds and the "gerwalk" modes, he does everything what the G1 version does and better (articulation wise with some limitations of course)

Design wise, a more proportional emphasis to the anime

Minimum parts forming

Nuclear reactor conduit connector now a slinky (no more rubber rot)

Colors (well up to personal taste)

I agree, but you just made my point more clear. Bang for your buck means you arent getting as much considering the money you spent. G1 Shockwave cost 24.86 in the 80s (and thats on the higher end)



Thats 50$ today. So now this new version, "aside from the lack of pew pew sounds and the "gerwalk" modes, he does everything what the G1 version does and better (articulation wise with some limitations of course)"... for 120-150$. So my point stands, for the money someone has to pay to get this, it is most certainly not guaranteed to be getting as much bang for your buck. For triple someone's cost, you are getting a slightly better toy and even that is highly debatable.

3x the cost = inflation x import cost from middle men x increased shipping and handling and the price point is more or less the same as the old G1 figure. Kids aren't buying him anyway (overgrown man children on the other hand.....)

I also forgot,if you do own the original vintage, well you can no longer "play" with the item the way you can with the MP version.

Playing with a 30 year old toy is something I would not encourage. So I do encourage Riddler to get MP Shockwave. While he's still "cheap". Not kick himself in his hiney later like our other fellow collectors who are having a hard @zz time scoring let's say MP Soundwave due to their none availability and 3x 2ndary market prices/or if the re-issue comes and the price also increases.

william-james88 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:
3x the cost = inflation x import cost from middle men x increased shipping and handling and the price point is more or less the same as the old G1 figure. Kids aren't buying him anyway (overgrown man children on the other hand.....)

Please stop with this misinformation. He is about 120$ in Japan. That is nowhere near what the G1 sold for when considering inflation. Please get your facts straight. Unless you are seriously saying and have proof that the MP is currently selling for 50$ new.

Please also read what I posted. I added the cost of middle men and the shipping.



Misinformation my primus

william-james88 wrote:we arent talking about the same thing here. I am talking about how much it was to buy G1 shockwave in the 80s. He offered more bang for your buck then, than the MP does now. No one can argue that.

You confused?

I answered it already a few posts back. You didn't answer back YOUR accusation of my so called "misinformation"


I will enumerate:

Cost back in the 80s, computed with inflation today plus the purchasing power computing foreign exchange fluctuation plus add to the cost of middlemen and shipping and you got the current costing. $50.00 30 years ago can buy more groceries than now. Did I mention that MP Shockwave cost $50.00? Nowhere in my post did I claim it.It was "your faulty analysis" not mine (emphasis on yours).

Now you shift back to your opinion, emphasis on "opinion" as it is your "personal" which isn't the word of Primus. As is my opinion not the word of Primus.

Wish you would focus on one subject at a time because it is confusing you.

Burn wrote:Question ... why are factoring in the middle man and import costs on a G1 figure when it was initially released in the 80's?

They were available in stores, for under $30US. Using an Inflation Calculator, that equates to about $65US in today's money.

Shockwave is currently available on HLJ for $125US, that's before shipping.

And I'd like to state for the record, I'm not taking sides here, I'm not getting into the "more bang for your buck" argument, I'm just curious as to how you come up with your figures.

Middleman on the MP Shockwave Burn. Tact in inflation and foreign exchange fluctuations and purchasing power. Not to mention all the R & D cost, credit lines to fund the product's creation etc. Why that was put up in the first place, ask wj88. The bang for the buck argument I constructively countered mentioned just the different or should I say near same features of both incarnations.

As for the pricing, now that we are at it unless you can travel back in time, the purchasing power back then really did you a bang for the buck. Using the inflation calculator is good and all but just converts things to just sterile statistics. It negates the actual hands on "feel" of purchasing an actual item.

The price for a Fortmax as an example back in the late 80s is just the price for MP BB. So today, will a US$ 65 still be able to buy the same amount of goods the way US$ 65 back in the 80s? Nope.

Is Shockwave overprized? Again no.

Figures? The figures of wunderkind wj88 mentioned

Not mine but this is your $30 whatever(?)SRP 1984 for Shockwave. Now it's $ 125 for MP. So multiply $ 30 x 4 (1984 prices) = $ 120.00. So now it's four times.

Your inflation calculator (I am assuming) says its $ 65 now. Fine. But nearly 30 years ago, you can buy things mucho for $ 30.00. Even back then, $ 65.00 can buy more.So literally, $30 does buy more back then.

I also mentioned the foreign exchange rate. It fluctuates too ( I don't think you would want to be bored with details on how much the Yen and dollar fluctuated wildly in the 80s but I somehow recall that the Yen's value increased to a point that it caused Harmony Gold to abandon further Robotech development). Does that not factor in the current cost?

I don't know what sweetheart deals various companies make with Hb/TT when they buy in bulk. No middlemen? Are you sure you won't consider amiami/hlj/bbts middlemen? If you don't like the term then proxies.

So back to the original post where I presented a constructive counterbalance to MP Shockwave not worth the cost of the original which then sidetrack to inflation etc.

MP Shockwave

no sfx
no gerwalk mode
more proportional
minimum parts forming
anime color
no rubber rut due to the slinky
improved articulation
different transform sequence which some members don't like (you can't please everyone hey?)

G1 Shocky

rubber rut
great ominous color
limited articulation
awesome
expensive (now due to 2ndary market prices)
dangerous to play with because it'sa fragile now.

then we got a history lesson on inflation etc which degenerated to what we are doing now.