Transformers Titans Return Titan Masters Wave 2 found at US Retail

I really like that megatron. It's not perfect, but it's good.

ARG! I was just in Kansas City last weekend!

Well, those little Titans can't be far from here then.

Can anyone vouch for Skytread being good? I like the look of his vehicles the most I think (purely from aesthetics; I think I'd have more fun with clobber/overkill/crashbash but I'm not just gonna get one of these when they're so cheap)

Kurona wrote:

LE0KING wrote:Every time I get excited about a figure in this line (like sixshot, blitzwing, or astrotrain) I remember that it's a headmaster and cry tears of frustration. Galvatron would have been perfect if his head just flipped down into the chest like it was clearly designed to do before it got gimmicked.

Galvatron's crown gimmick is intrusive and stops it from being really good; but Astrotrain has nothing like that, Sixshot looks to have nothing like that and I'm almost 100% certain Blitzwing will have nothing like that. Just their being Headmasters doesn't ruin their looks.

I agree that the looks aren't affected too much, but the fact that you have to partsform (removing the head still counts) to transform them dissapoints me. I love that powermaster prime can transform with his headmaster still connected, and I took the arms and legs off scourge's HM and leave it there when I transform it.
I know it's petty and I don't mind the gimmick on the figures, like hardhead, that were headmasters to begin with, but these are figures I've been waiting on for a long time, (especially galvatron and hotrod) and they are seriously hampered by a gimmick that can't just be ignored. If you could transform them without removing the heads I wouldn't complain.
I mean, we are finally getting an overlord and a sixshot and they will probably have their robot modes butchered like galvatron, for the sake of the lame gimmick.
Sorry for the rant, but I can't be the only one who's disappointed by this.

LE0KING wrote: I mean, we are finally getting an overlord and a sixshot and they will probably have their robot modes butchered like galvatron, for the sake of the lame gimmick.
Sorry for the rant, but I can't be the only one who's disappointed by this.

You just said that they look fine in robot mode but now you're saying that making them headmasters butcher's it. Galvatron is the product of bad gimmick integration but other than that he looks great. He looks like Galvatron and him being a headmaster doesn't "butcher it". I honestly don't see why so many people feel the need to complain about having to take the head off to transform it. It's not like the heads don't have a place to store in alt mode and unless you're looking for it you barely notice the little head at all.

Admittedly, I think partsforming has been the one legitimate argument I've seen against headmasters as generally partsforming is... not the greatest thing in the world.

The difference here, mind, is that it's not just taking off a piece from the vehicle mode and putting it in another place on the robot mode - it's transforming a part of the robot mode and giving it something to do in vehicle mode. It allows for a lot of interaction; the crux of partsforming that tends to make it so bad is that it feels that it's purely for the reason of being lazy and cheap and cheating the design. But here it's clearly for the purpose of a play pattern and, in an intelligent twist I've never thought about before; giving a role to a piece of the robot mode (the head) that traditionally never plays a part in the vehicle mode. It works out very well in that sense, and it can come with the bonus that it allows for more possibilities in the transformation without the head getting in the way.

You both make good points and will concede that the headmaster gimmick isn't the worst thing to happen to transformers, and while I personally don't like my bots having floppy cube heads (can't get the legs on my titan masters to stay flush for some reason) I know it doesn't bother some people.
I think my real problem is that I don't know who/what the headmasters are supposed to be. Are they people? Mechs? Minicons riding corpses? How can they be interchangeable? They just don't make sense to me. It doesn't bother me with the more obscure characters like skullsmasher, but I don't like it on the characters that have defined personalitys and archetypes. Is rodimus still rodimus with nightbeat's head?
The very concept annoys me more than the gimmick itself.

Well that and partsforming meaning that in a few years ebay will be flooded with decapitated robots.

LE0KING wrote:Well that and partsforming meaning that in a few years ebay will be flooded with decapitated robots.

Same old same old. Its already filled with Targetmasters without their guns, G1 headmasters without their heads, tons of bots without weapons, G1 Seekers with no wings, Optimuses without fists and on and on. I am surprised people arent used to this by now. Hasbro made bots with no accessories, the one steps, for kids so that they wouldnt lose anything, so that market is covered.

william-james88 wrote:Same old same old. Its already filled with Targetmasters without their guns, G1 headmasters without their heads, tons of bots without weapons, G1 Seekers with no wings, Optimuses without fists and on and on. I am surprised people arent used to this by now. Hasbro made bots with no accessories, the one steps, for kids so that they wouldnt lose anything, so that market is covered.

Yep, but that means the after market on these things is gonna sky rocket. Even with the scalpers, it'll probably cheaper to buy them now than hunt for complete versions later.

william-james88 wrote:

LE0KING wrote:Well that and partsforming meaning that in a few years ebay will be flooded with decapitated robots.

Same old same old. Its already filled with Targetmasters without their guns, G1 headmasters without their heads, tons of bots without weapons, G1 Seekers with no wings, Optimuses without fists and on and on. I am surprised people arent used to this by now. Hasbro made bots with no accessories, the one steps, for kids so that they wouldnt lose anything, so that market is covered.

Yep. Shame that pretty soon mint in package itemns are going to be the only way to get Transformers with all their accessories.

LE0KING wrote:I think my real problem is that I don't know who/what the headmasters are supposed to be. Are they people? Mechs? Minicons riding corpses? How can they be interchangeable? They just don't make sense to me. It doesn't bother me with the more obscure characters like skullsmasher, but I don't like it on the characters that have defined personalitys and archetypes. Is rodimus still rodimus with nightbeat's head?
The very concept annoys me more than the gimmick itself.

We discussed this earlier in the thread, but sometimes the best case is just to use your imagination. G1 had a ton of wacky, bizarre stories - Rodimus, for instance. He once had an episode where he was transferred into a human body, just as an example of the weird stuff that happened to him. So for a little robot dude driving his car around, surely this is indicative of the exact sort of weirdness that happened in the cartoon? There was some situation that required that to happen somehow; you come up with it, you come up with some bizarre scenario in which this happens.

Kurona wrote:

LE0KING wrote:I think my real problem is that I don't know who/what the headmasters are supposed to be. Are they people? Mechs? Minicons riding corpses? How can they be interchangeable? They just don't make sense to me. It doesn't bother me with the more obscure characters like skullsmasher, but I don't like it on the characters that have defined personalitys and archetypes. Is rodimus still rodimus with nightbeat's head?
The very concept annoys me more than the gimmick itself.

We discussed this earlier in the thread, but sometimes the best case is just to use your imagination. G1 had a ton of wacky, bizarre stories - Rodimus, for instance. He once had an episode where he was transferred into a human body, just as an example of the weird stuff that happened to him. So for a little robot dude driving his car around, surely this is indicative of the exact sort of weirdness that happened in the cartoon? There was some situation that required that to happen somehow; you come up with it, you come up with some bizarre scenario in which this happens.

I'm just going to pretend they work like the Japanese Headmasters series.

DigitalBrave3 wrote:

Kurona wrote:

LE0KING wrote:I think my real problem is that I don't know who/what the headmasters are supposed to be. Are they people? Mechs? Minicons riding corpses? How can they be interchangeable? They just don't make sense to me. It doesn't bother me with the more obscure characters like skullsmasher, but I don't like it on the characters that have defined personalitys and archetypes. Is rodimus still rodimus with nightbeat's head?
The very concept annoys me more than the gimmick itself.

We discussed this earlier in the thread, but sometimes the best case is just to use your imagination. G1 had a ton of wacky, bizarre stories - Rodimus, for instance. He once had an episode where he was transferred into a human body, just as an example of the weird stuff that happened to him. So for a little robot dude driving his car around, surely this is indicative of the exact sort of weirdness that happened in the cartoon? There was some situation that required that to happen somehow; you come up with it, you come up with some bizarre scenario in which this happens.

I'm just going to pretend they work like the Japanese Headmasters series.

Or that, that works too

Kurona wrote:

LE0KING wrote:I think my real problem is that I don't know who/what the headmasters are supposed to be. Are they people? Mechs? Minicons riding corpses? How can they be interchangeable? They just don't make sense to me. It doesn't bother me with the more obscure characters like skullsmasher, but I don't like it on the characters that have defined personalitys and archetypes. Is rodimus still rodimus with nightbeat's head?
The very concept annoys me more than the gimmick itself.

We discussed this earlier in the thread, but sometimes the best case is just to use your imagination. G1 had a ton of wacky, bizarre stories - Rodimus, for instance. He once had an episode where he was transferred into a human body, just as an example of the weird stuff that happened to him. So for a little robot dude driving his car around, surely this is indicative of the exact sort of weirdness that happened in the cartoon? There was some situation that required that to happen somehow; you come up with it, you come up with some bizarre scenario in which this happens.

I've never watched G1, but I get your point. And hey, maybe the titans return comics will have some answers for me.

So, Where are these things going in your collections? Do they fit in with your classics? Or do they get their own shelf?
My collection is based on the idw universe so I struggle with their placement.

Priority is the Lost Light collection; so Megsy, Chromedome, Brainstorm, Rewind and Hot Rod are going there, no question.
I tend to have my guys scattered about tho. End up always taking one or two down and messing about with them. Megatron with Hot Rod's head should be the stupidest, dumbest most beautiful thing ever.

LE0KING wrote:

Kurona wrote:

LE0KING wrote:I think my real problem is that I don't know who/what the headmasters are supposed to be. Are they people? Mechs? Minicons riding corpses? How can they be interchangeable? They just don't make sense to me. It doesn't bother me with the more obscure characters like skullsmasher, but I don't like it on the characters that have defined personalitys and archetypes. Is rodimus still rodimus with nightbeat's head?
The very concept annoys me more than the gimmick itself.

We discussed this earlier in the thread, but sometimes the best case is just to use your imagination. G1 had a ton of wacky, bizarre stories - Rodimus, for instance. He once had an episode where he was transferred into a human body, just as an example of the weird stuff that happened to him. So for a little robot dude driving his car around, surely this is indicative of the exact sort of weirdness that happened in the cartoon? There was some situation that required that to happen somehow; you come up with it, you come up with some bizarre scenario in which this happens.

I've never watched G1, but I get your point. And hey, maybe the titans return comics will have some answers for me.

So, Where are these things going in your collections? Do they fit in with your classics? Or do they get their own shelf?
My collection is based on the idw universe so I struggle with their placement.

I'm gonna put tge Titans Return figures on their own shelf. None of the figures have shown up in stores around my area, unfortunately, so Combiners Wars Buzzsaw is holding their spot for them.

Kurona wrote:Megatron with Hot Rod's head should be the stupidest, dumbest most beautiful thing ever.

And... I'm converted. It isn't a perfect gimmick but this needs to happen. Not just with the toys, Roberts needs to make this cannon.

Thanks for talking me through this guys. My wallet is mad at you, but I'm not as upset about sixshot and overlord anymore. I still don't love it, but I don't hate it now. (Except Galvatron's faceplate but I'm sure 3rd partys are already losing sleep to fix it.)
I'll probably pick up some of the figures I passed on earlier now.

They will go in their own bin so that the ecosystem stays in one place. Same thing did with my Combiner Wars toys.

Conversion has reached 88%

But yeah, cool! If you dig around the threads there've been some fan fixes shown off for Galvatron; the most prevalent ones being taking the crown off the chest thing and gluing it to Nucleon, or just straight up putting the Galvatronus head from CW Cyclonus onto Galvatron.

They'll be heading to the CHUG shelf as long as they are not a crew member of the Lost Light.

Also the more I look at Titans Return Megatron the more I want the Legends release if we get one. Hopefully they release him and not just Blitzwing.

LE0KING wrote:

Kurona wrote:Megatron with Hot Rod's head should be the stupidest, dumbest most beautiful thing ever.

And... I'm converted. It isn't a perfect gimmick but this needs to happen. Not just with the toys, Roberts needs to make this cannon.

Thanks for talking me through this guys. My wallet is mad at you, but I'm not as upset about sixshot and overlord anymore. I still don't love it, but I don't hate it now. (Except Galvatron's faceplate but I'm sure 3rd partys are already losing sleep to fix it.)
I'll probably pick up some of the figures I passed on earlier now.

Overlord as a headmaster is not confirmed. So you never know.

At this point, I really really hope Megatron is redone as Flywheels. Just cause everyone is assuming he's gonna be Blitzwing

But really though, not sold on getting Megs yet, and I'm keeping voyager Brainstorm and T30 Bee, but Lione will be mine at least.

I haven't even found wave one of these little Headmasters yet!

I'm glad there has been a lot of love for TR Megs, and I'm not doing this to poo poo anyone's opinion. I haven't really liked the new Blitzegatron. And this picture really hits home for me how I am not particularly excited about this version of Megs:


I think it is the same reason this guy doesn't look quite right either...

Agamemnon wrote:I'm glad there has been a lot of love for TR Megs, and I'm not doing this to poo poo anyone's opinion. I haven't really liked the new Blitzegatron. And this picture really hits home for me how I am not particularly excited about this version of Megs:


I think it is the same reason this guy doesn't look quite right either...

Titanium Soundwave, my old nemesis! We meet again!

That one seems mistransformed - pretty badly, actually. Compare:-

Kurona wrote:That one seems mistransformed - pretty badly, actually. Compare:-

I don't know. That torso still seems really long. I bet Megs has trouble buying shirts. I speak from experience. I wonder how I ever got married with as much plumber's butt I show with my long torso. This version of Megs may never get married either....



Okay, maybe it's time I went to bed...

and so it begins with titans return, hasbros shitty distribution. I havent seen wave one titan masters anywhere yet and have barely seen any TR stuff at all and already wave 2 is hitting. Slow down hasbro its already hard finding stuff with scalpers everywhere and stores just not restocking, cranking out waves at warp speed doesnt help things.

Legends Gnaw (AKA Sharkticon) looks FANTASTIC I never had him in G1 so he will be bought ON SIGHT for sure

Gnaw is adorable and he will be mine. Bumblebee is okay, but not one I really want. Voyager megs though, I really like him and the paint job doesn't bother me in the slightest, can't wait to see prime whenever he's going to get revealed.

Leader six shot...well that little picture isn't much to go on but so far so good!

Kurona wrote:That one seems mistransformed - pretty badly, actually. Compare:-

It's still the same. Just a different angle. Base mold is good but really needs a decent paint job.

fenrir72 wrote:

Kurona wrote:That one seems mistransformed - pretty badly, actually. Compare:-

It's still the same. Just a different angle. Base mold is good but really needs a decent paint job.

That render makes it look so much better. The silver looks metallic, and the foil stickers don't stick out like a sore thumb.

Did anyone notice that on the back of Megatrons box there was a teaser for Sixshot?

MemphisR56 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Kurona wrote:That one seems mistransformed - pretty badly, actually. Compare:-

It's still the same. Just a different angle. Base mold is good but really needs a decent paint job.

That render makes it look so much better. The silver looks metallic, and the foil stickers don't stick out like a sore thumb.

As I ssaid, the base mold really needs a decent paint job.........or shiny plastic.

Everyone, myself included had a bad reaction to Galvatron's grey plastic from the photos and stock images we saw, but in-hand the plastic has a nice shiny silver sheen that looks pretty good.
Maybe Megatron will be a similar case.

fenrir72 wrote:

MemphisR56 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Kurona wrote:That one seems mistransformed - pretty badly, actually. Compare:-

It's still the same. Just a different angle. Base mold is good but really needs a decent paint job.

That render makes it look so much better. The silver looks metallic, and the foil stickers don't stick out like a sore thumb.

As I ssaid, the base mold really needs a decent paint job.........or shiny plastic.

Also, the shoulders and upper left arm are properly transformed here, looking much better. But, still a loooooong torso....

What I would like to know, if someone will be so kind once they are in hand, is if the Titan Masters for Galvatron and Megatron can have their heads swapped so that little Megatron becomes big Megatron's head and the other futuristic head becomes little Galvatron.

Bradimus wrote:What I would like to know, if someone will be so kind once they are in hand, is if the Titan Masters for Galvatron and Megatron can have their heads swapped so that little Megatron becomes big Megatron's head and the other futuristic head becomes little Galvatron.

Total guess here, but since the Titan Masters heads are all on ball joints and you can unscrew the body and pop them out, I would think it's possible to swap heads on the Titan Masters just like you can on the Transtectors.

bumblebee looks like an extensive wheelie remold

Bumblebee21 wrote:bumblebee looks like an extensive wheelie remold

It probably just shares engineering. I don't believe they've ever retooled a legends class mold besides the head.

steals_your_goats wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:bumblebee looks like an extensive wheelie remold

It probably just shares engineering. I don't believe they've ever retooled a legends class mold besides the head.

So what if they did? He looks awesome.

wow, that brainstorm looks really nice. this line is going to kill my wallet, but its oh so worth it. i need at least 20 of those sharkticons.

Worth sharing from the Legends thread: Highbrow is a retool of Scourge.

Cyberpath wrote:

スカージの開発時に、既にその金型を流用してハイブロウを作ることが決定していました。「宇宙船」と「ヘリコプター」、デザインの共通点がない両者の金型をどう共有させるか、それを考慮に入れながら変形案を構築していきました。#TT_TF

Translated from Japanese by Bing

Was determined during the development of the scourge in already diverted to mould them, make the highbrow. "Spaceship" and dies for the missing helicopter, the design similarities between the two to share if you built the transformation plan while taking it into consideration. #TT_TF

普通だとスカージを先に開発し、後から発売するハイブロウには金型流用によるデザインのしわ寄せがくるものです。 でもそれではファンの方々が望んでいるハイブロウが作れないと考え、2体同時進行で開発を行い、両者のデザインの両立を試みています#TT_TF

It is designed by posting toll comes to highbrow and usually developed ago scourge and released later. But so thought cannot make highbrow wants fans, 2 development and at the same time, attempting to balance both design #TT_TF

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:bumblebee looks like an extensive wheelie remold

It probably just shares engineering. I don't believe they've ever retooled a legends class mold besides the head.

So what if they did? He looks awesome.

I never said that he didn't look good, I'm just pointing out that he's probably not a remold seeing as they haven't remolded legends in the past

Doesn't look like a remold to me; then again, considering I didn't even think of the possibility that Scourge and Highbrow could be retools of each other...

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Worth sharing from the Legends thread: Highbrow is a retool of Scourge.

Cyberpath wrote:

スカージの開発時に、既にその金型を流用してハイブロウを作ることが決定していました。「宇宙船」と「ヘリコプター」、デザインの共通点がない両者の金型をどう共有させるか、それを考慮に入れながら変形案を構築していきました。#TT_TF

Translated from Japanese by Bing

Was determined during the development of the scourge in already diverted to mould them, make the highbrow. "Spaceship" and dies for the missing helicopter, the design similarities between the two to share if you built the transformation plan while taking it into consideration. #TT_TF

普通だとスカージを先に開発し、後から発売するハイブロウには金型流用によるデザインのしわ寄せがくるものです。 でもそれではファンの方々が望んでいるハイブロウが作れないと考え、2体同時進行で開発を行い、両者のデザインの両立を試みています#TT_TF

It is designed by posting toll comes to highbrow and usually developed ago scourge and released later. But so thought cannot make highbrow wants fans, 2 development and at the same time, attempting to balance both design #TT_TF

Now that's a pretool.

So the basic molds we know of so far in Deluxe are...

Skullcruncher
Blurr/Brainstorm
Scourge/Highbrow
Hardhead
Chromedome/Getaway
Mindwipe
Weirdwolf
Hot Rod
Doublecross
Triggerhappy


That's... a lot of original unique molds. Expecting a lot of retools in the future...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is the first time someone has even suggested, let alone confirmed, Highbrow was a retool

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is the first time someone has even suggested, let alone confirmed, Highbrow was a retool

Pretty much. Again, it goes to show how amazing a retool is when you don't even realise it is one until it's pointed out to you.

Autobot N wrote:Now that's a retool.

I think calling it a retool is a stretch, it looks like the only parts shared are the hips, upper legs, and possibly the waist extender and inner shoulders. There's certainly engineering shared, but there's a big difference between sharing designs and measurements on a toy blueprint and sharing real life plastic parts.