Transformers and More @ The Seibertron Store














Details subject to change. See listing for latest price and availability.
Rodimus Prime wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:A show full of a bunch of invincible main characters running around looking for a bunch of artifacts episode, after episode, ripping, effortlessly through enemies that are supposed to be an actual threat isn't very interesting.
Yet it's still more engaging than AoE was. I've seen AoE 3 times, I know everything a viewer needs to about the characters and the events. TFP, however, can be watched more than that and still be enjoyed.
Burn wrote:Quick reply...SEXFIGHTER wrote:Quick reply...the films have a duty to unite all the continuities
No they don't.the money was there to be made regardless of who sat in the chair, and to hand it to Bay was just downright lazy.
Why was it lazy?
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:NOTE: NOT directed at anyone in particular....
The thing I hate about this whole debate is that it's hard for some of us to have an unbiased discussion about the pro's and cons of a TF movie, without being labeled either a "hater" or a "fanboy."
Why does one have to choose a side? Why can't I like the designs and action scenes but at the same time hate the humor and overacting? Why must I either embrace everything about a Bay movie, or reject it all?
Seriously, there IS something called the middle ground. I'm standing right on it.
SlyTF1 wrote:You can watch every episode of TFP once and know everything. I've seen AOE 4 full times, and want to go back and watch it again. I have no desire to watch any TFP episodes again. The most exciting thing that happened in the entire series happened in the very first episode. After that, all of the Autobots were completely invincible. Even when Bulkhead was "injured," all he did was sit around until he got better.
Rodimus Prime wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:You can watch every episode of TFP once and know everything. I've seen AOE 4 full times, and want to go back and watch it again. I have no desire to watch any TFP episodes again. The most exciting thing that happened in the entire series happened in the very first episode. After that, all of the Autobots were completely invincible. Even when Bulkhead was "injured," all he did was sit around until he got better.
I guess we can just agree to disagree. I will always have more fun watching TFP than ANY of the live action films, because it's just more engaging. But that's my preference, and I know you love the movies, so I understand why you would pick them over a TV series. And that's a reason this may not even be a fair comparison. They're different types of continuities.
SEXFIGHTER wrote:So films based on popular, iconic characters have zero duty to relate the film to the original material?
It was lazy as Bay is known as a guy who gets the job done, can blow stuff up and deliver the film on time and on budget...
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Burn wrote:SEXFIGHTER wrote:So films based on popular, iconic characters have zero duty to relate the film to the original material?
And what source material would that be? G1? BW? BM? RiD? A/E/C?
SlyTF1 wrote:If they could make a series where none of the main Autobots are safe from death, and Optimus is as badass as he is in the movies, I'd be all for that. But now, as it stands, the movies are probably my favorite continuity. With Animated in a close second place. Because, even with that show, the Autobots weren't invincible. Especially in season 3. Prime didn't feel immersive at all, to me. At least, when it came to the Autobots.
Darkman20xx wrote:I just want to clear up that I am in no way a hater of every Bay TF movie. I faithfully saw each one at the midnight release and most likely will do the same for the rest. That being said I am not so far biased that I would say that any of them were outstanding movies. I feel that the Transformers franchise is due that outstanding movie at this point. I want what The Dark Knight did for Batman. I would like good casting paired with good acting, great directing paired with a good script, great musical score, and good on screen action and special effects. While not there, TF1 had me in hopes we were heading in that direction but sadly we're not. I know all these things would cost money but the movies are a big enough cash cow to make it worthwhile.
I know I sound like I'm asking a lot but am I really asking something that is not possible?
Sub-Prime wrote:Did you think Batman was great in the The Dark Knight? I so bad wanted Batman to die in that movie because he was insufferable and depressing through the whole 3 movies. I never felt like rooting for the good guy with Nolans crappy Batman films. I felt the opposite way with Captain America. He was someone you wanted to root for. Also the action in the DK series was the weakest action period! I can't believe folks thought those movies had cool action.
Darkman20xx wrote:I just want to clear up that I am in no way a hater of every Bay TF movie. I faithfully saw each one at the midnight release and most likely will do the same for the rest. That being said I am not so far biased that I would say that any of them were outstanding movies. I feel that the Transformers franchise is due that outstanding movie at this point. I want what The Dark Knight did for Batman. I would like good casting paired with good acting, great directing paired with a good script, great musical score, and good on screen action and special effects. While not there, TF1 had me in hopes we were heading in that direction but sadly we're not. I know all these things would cost money but the movies are a big enough cash cow to make it worthwhile.
I know I sound like I'm asking a lot but am I really asking something that is not possible?
Sub-Prime wrote:One other thing on top of what Burn said about the TFP series. The series had better writers and episodes to flesh out more story over 3 seasons. You can't compare that to a 2 hour and 40 minute movie. It's absurd. Almost any cartoon will be way better than the film counterpart because of this very issue. Transformers movies aren't perfect from a technical standpoint but I still love them no matter what. There are a lot of films that have high RT scores that have boring characters and a story to match.
Darkman20xx wrote:The point I'm trying to make is that in every movie series or franchise there is a point when you want to be able to say 100% that they nailed it. Hit every point and made the best movie of the series and the best possible movie with the material. Not always but usually that movie gets noticed. In Nolan's Batman it was the Dark Knight. LOTR it was the Two Towers (IMO). In Captain America it was the Winter Soldier (Best movie so far this year IMO) In Star Wars I would argue Return of The Jedi but you can make a point for any of the first 3 movies. We're at 4 TF movies and I'm still getting "it was just okay" feelings. Instead of moving forward I think it moved backwards. That's not good.
ZeroWolf wrote:Darkman20xx wrote:The point I'm trying to make is that in every movie series or franchise there is a point when you want to be able to say 100% that they nailed it. Hit every point and made the best movie of the series and the best possible movie with the material. Not always but usually that movie gets noticed. In Nolan's Batman it was the Dark Knight. LOTR it was the Two Towers (IMO). In Captain America it was the Winter Soldier (Best movie so far this year IMO) In Star Wars I would argue Return of The Jedi but you can make a point for any of the first 3 movies. We're at 4 TF movies and I'm still getting "it was just okay" feelings. Instead of moving forward I think it moved backwards. That's not good.
But that's just your opinion. There is people here who will and have argued against that. Your trying to say it as fact when it simply isn't.
Darkman20xx wrote:The drop in domestic numbers shows that more people agree than ever before.
chivesbot20 wrote:For some fans its all ready a success. Like me, i don't think that its backtracking. I think its moving forward just fine. Ya there needs to be a bit of a tweak here and there, but i accept the movies the way they are. And personally, critics don't persuade me.
Darkman20xx wrote:chivesbot20 wrote:For some fans its all ready a success. Like me, i don't think that its backtracking. I think its moving forward just fine. Ya there needs to be a bit of a tweak here and there, but i accept the movies the way they are. And personally, critics don't persuade me.
All that is great. So if a few ask for improvement and it does improve isn't that a good thing for you too?
Return to Transformers Live Action Film Forum
Registered users: Bing [Bot], Glyph, Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], Google Feedfetcher, JeremyOnAir, MSN [Bot], shabanowitz, Silver Wind, sprockitz, SupersonicShockwave, victori, vintron, Yahoo [Bot]