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Henry921 wrote:Well, not entirely. He was the protege of Cryotek, the most notorious criminal on Cybertron. Before that he was apparently a field commander and had a fight with another of the Council's agents, Magmatron, so presumably they were aware he had some talent.

That sounds like a blending of continuities since the Cryotek thing is from the 3H/Fun Pub fiction (which has Magmatron as a good guy Dinobot) while the Magmatron thing is from IDW's Beast Era fiction (which excised Cryotek from Megatron's backstory).

Henry921 wrote:They also acknowledge Megatron as "brilliant" during the Agenda, so he must've done something prior to stealing the golden disk that impressed them.

I took their acknowledging his brilliance being in regards to his successful theft of the disk itself.

Sabrblade wrote:

Henry921 wrote:They also acknowledge Megatron as "brilliant" during the Agenda, so he must've done something prior to stealing the golden disk that impressed them.

I took their acknowledging his brilliance being in regards to his successful theft of the disk itself.

Even so, they did acknowledge it, and if he did take it and they were aware of the ramifications of it, then they realized how dangerous he could be, let alone his name and where it came from

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Bed Bugs wrote:I still think it's not a coincidence that David Kaye is coming to Botcon this year and that prototype of FOC Grimlock with the Beast Wars Megatron hasn't been released.

Totally going to be in one of the Souvenir Sets. I guarantee it. It'll sport the Transmetal Paint Job too, just like Tarantulas.

Not unless this is another pre-beast set like 2006 was. No beast modes for the show characters.

And if it's a story about the Council, don't expect to see Megatron either. He was beneath them. A lowlife criminal thug, far from a politician.

Considering Tarantulas and Ravage both died in Beast Wars, it's logical to assume that Botcon 2016's story takes place BEFORE Botcon 2006's.

It's not that far of a stretch to assume that some Maximals and Predacons may have robotic (G1) beast modes. You're also forgetting that Tarantulas was put into Megatron's crew as a spy for the Council. This story is probably going to establish how Tarantulas infiltrated Megatron's crew in the first place. So even though he was a criminal thug, the connection is still there and makes sense to show its establishment.

It's because of the fiction, the mold still being unused and existing, and David Kaye coming as a guest that it almost has to happen. Plus Fun Pub knows Megatron will sell, even if it is a mold that people knock like FOC Grimlock.

Bed Bugs wrote:Considering Tarantulas and Ravage both died in Beast Wars, it's logical to assume that Botcon 2016's story takes place BEFORE Botcon 2006's.

There was no question of that.

Bed Bugs wrote:It's not that far of a stretch to assume that some Maximals and Predacons may have robotic (G1) beast modes. You're also forgetting that Tarantulas was put into Megatron's crew as a spy for the Council. This story is probably going to establish how Tarantulas infiltrated Megatron's crew in the first place. So even though he was a criminal thug, the connection is still there and makes sense to show its establishment.

You're point being...?

Bed Bugs wrote:It's because of the fiction, the mold still being unused and existing, and David Kaye coming as a guest that it almost has to happen. Plus Fun Pub knows Megatron will sell, even if it is a mold that people knock like FOC Grimlock.

Or, David Kaye's coming because of the anniversary (as is Alec Willows) and because he tends to be an easy-to-get guest for BotCon (as demonstrated by how frequent his BotCon appearances have been in recent years when his characters were of little importance to those years).

Why, BotCon 2012 had both Garry Chalk and David Kaye as guests in honor of the 10th anniversary of Armada, yet that year saw no Armada Optimus or Megatron toys (let alone any Armada homages).

At best, what we might get (that's related to David Kaye's appearance) is a BW-themed live script reading should any other BW cast members get announced as convention guests.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Henry921 wrote:They also acknowledge Megatron as "brilliant" during the Agenda, so he must've done something prior to stealing the golden disk that impressed them.

I took their acknowledging his brilliance being in regards to his successful theft of the disk itself.

Even so, they did acknowledge it, and if he did take it and they were aware of the ramifications of it, then they realized how dangerous he could be, let alone his name and where it came from

I'm sure they knew of it on some level b/c in season 3 tarantulus tries on multiple occasions to screw with the timeline siting that he and the council would be safe from the timestorm wiping out the max/preds b/c he and the council have a different ancestor (Unicron?)

Plus Megatron was absolutely brilliant, he played everyone like pawns in a d=game of chess throughout the show. Even if all it was was the understanding of how everyone would respond to things, or knowing how everyone worked, that still would have made him a tactical genius on the flied of battle.

Sabrblade wrote:

Bed Bugs wrote:Considering Tarantulas and Ravage both died in Beast Wars, it's logical to assume that Botcon 2016's story takes place BEFORE Botcon 2006's.

There was no question of that.

Bed Bugs wrote:It's not that far of a stretch to assume that some Maximals and Predacons may have robotic (G1) beast modes. You're also forgetting that Tarantulas was put into Megatron's crew as a spy for the Council. This story is probably going to establish how Tarantulas infiltrated Megatron's crew in the first place. So even though he was a criminal thug, the connection is still there and makes sense to show its establishment.

You're point being...?

You seem to be playing dense. My point is that right now, in the box set, you have Tarantulas with the Council. We all know the Beast Wars story, and Tarantulas is an Agent for the council. It's never been established in fiction how exactly Tarantulas got from being with the council to infiltrating Megatron's crew. So this story is probably going to establish two things: 1. How the council came to power. 2. How Tarantulas ends up as a spy in Megatron's crew. It's probably an important plot point that Tarantulas uses his Transmetal Paint Job originally when he's part of Predacus, and he switches his paint job AND alt mode, to become the Subscription Service Tarantulas, which ultimately becomes Beast Wars Tarantulas. Also, if you think about it, this also establishes Transmetal Colors as being his true colors. His Beast Wars colors were a disguise. Likewise, it's very possible that Megatron's true colors are gold, black, and purple, but he disguises himself since he is a wanted criminal. Would explain why this new FOC Grimlock remold Megatron will exist, why he looks different from DOFP/BW Megatron, and why he looks similar to Transmetal Megatron.

Sabrblade wrote:

Bed Bugs wrote:It's because of the fiction, the mold still being unused and existing, and David Kaye coming as a guest that it almost has to happen. Plus Fun Pub knows Megatron will sell, even if it is a mold that people knock like FOC Grimlock.

Or, David Kaye's coming because of the anniversary (as is Alec Willows) and because he tends to be an easy-to-get guest for BotCon (as demonstrated by how frequent his BotCon appearances have been in recent years when his characters were of little importance to those years).

Why, BotCon 2012 had both Garry Chalk and David Kaye as guests in honor of the 10th anniversary of Armada, yet that year saw no Armada Optimus or Megatron toys (let alone any Armada homages).

At best, what we might get (that's related to David Kaye's appearance) is a BW-themed live script reading should any other BW cast members get announced as convention guests.

Botcon 2015 seemed to set a new precedent, as Botcon is always changing. They got Welker as a guest and they put a Megatron in the box set. They announced Tarantulas being in next year's box set at the same time they announced his Voice Actor was coming. It's quite possible Botcon is aiming to try and tie the guests and exclusives together more.

While it's certainly possible that BotCon is seeking to tie voice actors to exclusives a bit more, I see little reason to assume it. Indeed, the Welker/Megatron connection from last year is a fairly loose one, since Welker isn't generally associated with movie-continuity Megatrons (although there are certainly examples where he has been, yes).

As to the other debate... it's entirely possible that this set/story doesn't take place in the same continuity as regular Beast Wars (or BotCon 2006's set) at all, but is set in the newer "Uprising" continuity.

For these and other answers, we'll just have to wait and see.

This is obviously "Wings" beast wars, the end of Funpubs "A Common Foe" mini comic for TFSS 4.0 foreshadows the amused events of dawn of the predacus. I say this because at the end of a common foe, four stasis pods made by jhiaxus are presented, which contain Tarantulus, Ramhorn, Cicadacon, and Sea Clamp.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Henry921 wrote:They also acknowledge Megatron as "brilliant" during the Agenda, so he must've done something prior to stealing the golden disk that impressed them.

I took their acknowledging his brilliance being in regards to his successful theft of the disk itself.

Even so, they did acknowledge it, and if he did take it and they were aware of the ramifications of it, then they realized how dangerous he could be, let alone his name and where it came from

I'm sure they knew of it on some level b/c in season 3 tarantulus tries on multiple occasions to screw with the timeline siting that he and the council would be safe from the timestorm wiping out the max/preds b/c he and the council have a different ancestor (Unicron?)

Plus Megatron was absolutely brilliant, he played everyone like pawns in a d=game of chess throughout the show. Even if all it was was the understanding of how everyone would respond to things, or knowing how everyone worked, that still would have made him a tactical genius on the flied of battle.

Let's face it: BW Megs was a force to be reckoned with. He killed Primal in a brilliant way that no one saw coming. It was an Optimus being outsmarted, which does not happen often when he dies. Plus he basically won BM until he fell and forgot he could fly. He is great, and may honestly be one of the best leaders we've ever had

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Henry921 wrote:They also acknowledge Megatron as "brilliant" during the Agenda, so he must've done something prior to stealing the golden disk that impressed them.

I took their acknowledging his brilliance being in regards to his successful theft of the disk itself.

Even so, they did acknowledge it, and if he did take it and they were aware of the ramifications of it, then they realized how dangerous he could be, let alone his name and where it came from

I'm sure they knew of it on some level b/c in season 3 tarantulus tries on multiple occasions to screw with the timeline siting that he and the council would be safe from the timestorm wiping out the max/preds b/c he and the council have a different ancestor (Unicron?)

Plus Megatron was absolutely brilliant, he played everyone like pawns in a d=game of chess throughout the show. Even if all it was was the understanding of how everyone would respond to things, or knowing how everyone worked, that still would have made him a tactical genius on the flied of battle.

Let's face it: BW Megs was a force to be reckoned with. He killed Primal in a brilliant way that no one saw coming. It was an Optimus being outsmarted, which does not happen often when he dies. Plus he basically won BM until he fell and forgot he could fly. He is great, and may honestly be one of the best leaders we've ever had

Easily, the only one I respected as a leader at the very least

SW's SilverHammer wrote:This is obviously "Wings" beast wars, the end of Funpubs "A Common Foe" mini comic for TFSS 4.0 foreshadows the amused events of dawn of the predacus. I say this because at the end of a common foe, four stasis pods made by jhiaxus are presented, which contain Tarantulus, Ramhorn, Cicadacon, and Sea Clamp.

It's possible, but that stands on its own enough (and served a purpose re: using the TFSS Tarantulas toy, noting that all the other TFSS 4.0 toys save Starscream were also in that book) that I see no reason to assume that comic has anything to do with BotCon 2016.

Again, it's possible. It's just not a foregone conclusion.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Let's face it: BW Megs was a force to be reckoned with. He killed Primal in a brilliant way that no one saw coming. It was an Optimus being outsmarted, which does not happen often when he dies. Plus he basically won BM until he fell and forgot he could fly. He is great, and may honestly be one of the best leaders we've ever had

I agree with all of the praise about Beast Wars Megatron. He is, without a doubt, one of the best Transformers characters of all time. He might possibly be the best fully fleshed out character as well, alongside Beast Wars Dinobot. He is certainly a better villain than G1 Megatron, actually having won some key battles against the Maximals, which is something that G1 Megatron couldn't really say.

Seibertron wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Let's face it: BW Megs was a force to be reckoned with. He killed Primal in a brilliant way that no one saw coming. It was an Optimus being outsmarted, which does not happen often when he dies. Plus he basically won BM until he fell and forgot he could fly. He is great, and may honestly be one of the best leaders we've ever had

I agree with all of the praise about Beast Wars Megatron. He is, without a doubt, one of the best Transformers characters of all time. He might possibly be the best fully fleshed out character as well, alongside Beast Wars Dinobot. He is certainly a better villain than G1 Megatron, actually having won some key battles against the Maximals, which is something that G1 Megatron couldn't really say.

Apart from the movie, you could say that G1 megs never accomplished anything

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Let's face it: BW Megs was a force to be reckoned with. He killed Primal in a brilliant way that no one saw coming. It was an Optimus being outsmarted, which does not happen often when he dies. Plus he basically won BM until he fell and forgot he could fly. He is great, and may honestly be one of the best leaders we've ever had

I agree with all of the praise about Beast Wars Megatron. He is, without a doubt, one of the best Transformers characters of all time. He might possibly be the best fully fleshed out character as well, alongside Beast Wars Dinobot. He is certainly a better villain than G1 Megatron, actually having won some key battles against the Maximals, which is something that G1 Megatron couldn't really say.

Apart from the movie, you could say that G1 megs never accomplished anything

Lets face it: G1 Megs tv series-wise never really could win a battle for good (optimus came back) and he usually fell to simple stupid tricks. Marvel G1 Megs just got beat up all the time by Shockwave. G2 Megs killed a bunch of guys but in the end he joined an alliance with the autobots and really didn't do anything to help his original goals. Re-G1 he died in the first few comics after destroying the Earth as a show of boredom, and he didn't kill Prime or end the war. IDW G1 Megs nearly won, but then joined the autobots (which has been a very cool run).
BW Megs: stole a valuable prize from the highest guard, went back in time, killed an Optimus, almost killed another one, nearly changed history in the cons favor for G1 Megs, killed half the forces facing him, escaped a ship, took the sparks of a whole civilization, killed Optimus again, nearly had Cybertron under complete control yet only lost cause he forgot he could fly.
In summary: BW Megs did so much more in so much less time, plus had a great voice. yeeesssssss

Problem is for me anyways, that bw megs take over is the same as G1 megs takeover...Both happened off screen (yeah we get flashbacks but that's after the fact)

Also the comment about megs killing half those against him...when? Does trarantulus count? Depthcharge technically killed himself fighting Rampage and I can't quite remember what happened to TigerHawk.

ZeroWolf wrote:Problem is for me anyways, that bw megs take over is the same as G1 megs takeover...Both happened off screen (yeah we get flashbacks but that's after the fact)

Also the comment about megs killing half those against him...when? Does trarantulus count? Depthcharge technically killed himself fighting Rampage and I can't quite remember what happened to TigerHawk.

Sorry, more like his war killed half those involved. Using the Nemesis, he killed Tigerhawk (and basically Tigatron and Airazor), Inferno and Quickstrike, killed Primal at 2 points, caused Dinobot's fatal injuries, and stole the sparks of the entire cybertronian populace, so he personally touched a lot of lives literally

Bed Bugs wrote:You seem to be playing dense. My point is that right now, in the box set, you have Tarantulas with the Council. We all know the Beast Wars story, and Tarantulas is an Agent for the council. It's never been established in fiction how exactly Tarantulas got from being with the council to infiltrating Megatron's crew. So this story is probably going to establish two things: 1. How the council came to power. 2. How Tarantulas ends up as a spy in Megatron's crew. It's probably an important plot point that Tarantulas uses his Transmetal Paint Job originally when he's part of Predacus, and he switches his paint job AND alt mode, to become the Subscription Service Tarantulas, which ultimately becomes Beast Wars Tarantulas. Also, if you think about it, this also establishes Transmetal Colors as being his true colors. His Beast Wars colors were a disguise.

None of this was ever in question.

Bed Bugs wrote:Likewise, it's very possible that Megatron's true colors are gold, black, and purple, but he disguises himself since he is a wanted criminal. Would explain why this new FOC Grimlock remold Megatron will exist, why he looks different from DOFP/BW Megatron, and why he looks similar to Transmetal Megatron.

But Megatron had no reason to change bodies. You said yourself that Tarantulas changing his body for identity concealment purposes makes sense, but Megatron wasn't partaking in any secret mission that would yield him a new form. You're trying to find excuses to shoehorn in an unnecessary new form for him just because YOU want to.

Just because the Grimlock remold exists doesn't mean it's ever gonna see the light of day. The Armada Demolishor remold of CW Onslaught, for instance, was recently confirmed to not be in any foreseeable plans for release.

And a lot of fans really strongly dislike the FOC Grimlock mold. If Fun Pub is unwilling to make a Flywheels out of the Blitzwing mold for how unpopular that mold is, what makes you think they'd be more willing to make Megatron out of the similarly unpopular FOC Grimlock mold?

Bed Bugs wrote:Botcon 2015 seemed to set a new precedent, as Botcon is always changing. They got Welker as a guest and they put a Megatron in the box set. They announced Tarantulas being in next year's box set at the same time they announced his Voice Actor was coming. It's quite possible Botcon is aiming to try and tie the guests and exclusives together more.

There is one hole in your logic: Frank Welker being a guest at BotCon 2015 was a GINORMOUS deal. Of course they were gonna do everything to honor his being there. It wasn't only his first BotCon, but his first convention, period. He's like the biggest deal guest BotCon has ever had. It only makes sense that they'd have a Megatron in the set for the BotCon that had Frank stinkin' Welker for the first time ever.

David Kaye's being a BotCon guest, however, is vastly less significant since he does cons all the time, let alone several BotCons. He's great, but he's no legendary voice actor like Welker, whose career has spanned several decades and over thousands upon thousands of voice roles. He's like the Mel Blanc of Today. Kaye, however, has been to several BotCons even in years when he had no relevance to the brand at all.

Besides, we've already had two BotCon stories that focused on BW Megatron in his pre-Earth days. As you say, this is likely to be a Tripredacus Council-centric story, and Megatron wasn't personally associated with them. If we see Megatron in this year's story, chances are he'll be drawn in either his BotCon 2006 toy body or in his non-toy-based true body that 2006 body was worn ever as armor.

Not to mention that, with Fun Pub talking at this year's BotCon of how they've started working more closely with Hasbro in coming up with exclusives, there's a really good chance that the remaining convention exclusives might consist entirely of more Combiner Wars molds, as fatiguing as that might sound for all those who have grown weary of Combiner Wars.


I'm not saying for absolute certainty that they will not be using the FOC Grimlock Megatron remold as an exclusive this year. What I am saying is that there's a very strong possibility that it won't be used for the reasons given above, and that said possibility isn't something that one needs to refute so strongly as has been done in this thread. It's not worth getting excited about. Nor is David Kaye's being there (it's awesome, but it's also unsurprising).

Sabrblade wrote:

Bed Bugs wrote:Likewise, it's very possible that Megatron's true colors are gold, black, and purple, but he disguises himself since he is a wanted criminal. Would explain why this new FOC Grimlock remold Megatron will exist, why he looks different from DOFP/BW Megatron, and why he looks similar to Transmetal Megatron.

But Megatron had no reason to change bodies. You said yourself that Tarantulas changing his body for identity concealment purposes makes sense, but Megatron wasn't partaking in any secret mission that would yield him a new form. You're trying to find excuses to shoehorn in an unnecessary new form for him just because YOU want to.

I literally just explained that Megatron was a wanted criminal. Criminals tend to alter their appearance. Also, let me be clear. I DO NOT WANT THIS TOY. I'm simply stating my argument as to why the toy is likely to be made and part of the exclusives.

Sabrblade wrote:Just because the Grimlock remold exists doesn't mean it's ever gonna see the light of day. The Armada Demolishor remold of CW Onslaught, for instance, was recently confirmed to not be in any foreseeable plans for release.

Given that the collector's club is doing Armada homages with Armada Thundercracker and Universe Ramjet out of the Generations Armada Starscream mold, I don't think I need to draw a picture as to where that Armada Demolishor remold of Combiner Wars Onslaught will end up. It will get released since the molding is already paid for. It may not get a retail release, like the FOC Grimlock remold into Megatron, but it will get released. Either as a club or convention exclusive.

Sabrblade wrote:And a lot of fans really strongly dislike the FOC Grimlock mold.

That's been well established. There have been other molds that got trashed by collectors, only to be highly desired once they were turned into another character. The Beast Wars Megatron fan base would highly outnumber the amount of people that hate FOC Grimlock.

Sabrblade wrote:If Fun Pub is unwilling to make a Flywheels out of the Blitzwing mold for how unpopular that mold is, what makes you think they'd be more willing to make Megatron out of the similarly unpopular FOC Grimlock mold?

Yes, clearly people hated the Blitzwing mold so much that Fun Pub had no choice but to release the exclusives that didn't sell out this year. Nah. From what I heard, they didn't like the Blitzwing head and completely forgot about the Doubledealer remold. Flywheels will probably be released in the next year though the club or Botcon with the Doubledealer head.

Sabrblade wrote:Besides, we've already had two BotCon stories that focused on BW Megatron in his pre-Earth days.

What Botcon besides 2006? Something happen in the 3H fiction somewhere before that?

Sabrblade wrote:As you say, this is likely to be a Tripredacus Council-centric story, and Megatron wasn't personally associated with them.

You're right, he's not. But Tarantulas is personally associated with both. That's what bridges the gap. With no Tarantulas, there is no talk of Megatron at all. Had they opted to go with Onyx Primal as the 5th member of Rise of the Predacus, I'd agree with ya, but they didn't. They picked somebody who is part of both groups and if you are going to focus on a character that was in one group and ends up in another, it makes sense to show in the fiction how the infiltration began.

Sabrblade wrote:If we see Megatron in this year's story, chances are he'll be drawn in either his BotCon 2006 toy body or in his non-toy-based true body that 2006 body was worn ever as armor.

That is a likely scenario too. If they don't use the FOC Grimlock remold. Given how popular BW Megatron is though, it'd be foolish from a business sense to not try and cash in on selling another one. Especially with the added feature of being able to replace the old GPS broke Transmetal Megatrons in peoples collections.

Sabrblade wrote:Not to mention that, with Fun Pub talking at this year's BotCon of how they've started working more closely with Hasbro in coming up with exclusives, there's a really good chance that the remaining convention exclusives might consist entirely of more Combiner Wars molds, as fatiguing as that might sound for all those who have grown weary of Combiner Wars.

The whole set isn't going to be Combiner Wars. I guarantee that. Fun Pub still has access to Generations molds with the current Sub Service and the Armada Seekers next year. There's going to be some surprises.

Sabrblade wrote:I'm not saying for absolute certainty that they will not be using the FOC Grimlock Megatron remold as an exclusive this year. What I am saying is that there's a very strong possibility that it won't be used for the reasons given above, and that said possibility isn't something that one needs to refute so strongly as has been done in this thread.

And I'm not saying for absolute certainty that they WILL be using the FOC Grimlock Megatron remold as an exclusives this year. What I am saying is that there's a very strong possiblity that it WILL be used for the reasons given above, and that said possibility isn't something that one needs to refute so strongly as has been done by you.

Personally, I'd be surprised if hardly any of that comes true. I think you make more of the available patterns and information than is really there....

Whew....whole lot of speculation going on in this thread. I'll just poke in to say, anything is possible, not plausible.

So if the Council and their 2 agents are in the box set, who do you guys think they are going up against?

For the council to rise to power over the Predacon Army, it makes sense that there would be another Predacon faction under the command of somebody else right? Remember in the Botcon 2006 storyline, "Theft of the Golden Disk", Megatron was working for Cryotek.

What if.....what if we see a new Cryotek? Possibly out of Beast Hunters Predaking?

Nevermind, forgot there was a retail toy of that. But it will probably be in the comic.

Bed Bugs wrote:So if the Council and their 2 agents are in the box set, who do you guys think they are going up against?

For the council to rise to power over the Predacon Army, it makes sense that there would be another Predacon faction under the command of somebody else right? Remember in the Botcon 2006 storyline, "Theft of the Golden Disk", Megatron was working for Cryotek.

What if.....what if we see a new Cryotek? Possibly out of Beast Hunters Predaking?

We already have BH Predacons Rising Cryofire Predaking for that:


Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Cryofire Predaking Gallery

... so count on this figure to be repurposed as him (and the Bludgeon effect to occur afterwards) No, if Cryotek is to be included, he'll be using Prime Bulkhead's body as per his Uprising looks

Bed Bugs wrote:So if the Council and their 2 agents are in the box set, who do you guys think they are going up against?

For the council to rise to power over the Predacon Army, it makes sense that there would be another Predacon faction under the command of somebody else right? Remember in the Botcon 2006 storyline, "Theft of the Golden Disk", Megatron was working for Cryotek.

What if.....what if we see a new Cryotek? Possibly out of Beast Hunters Predaking?

But we already did get Cryotek in the target exclusive line

Yeah, I forgot about that.

So what other rivals can the Predacus Council have?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Bed Bugs wrote:So if the Council and their 2 agents are in the box set, who do you guys think they are going up against?

For the council to rise to power over the Predacon Army, it makes sense that there would be another Predacon faction under the command of somebody else right? Remember in the Botcon 2006 storyline, "Theft of the Golden Disk", Megatron was working for Cryotek.

What if.....what if we see a new Cryotek? Possibly out of Beast Hunters Predaking?

We already have BH Predacons Rising Cryofire Predaking for that:


Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Cryofire Predaking Gallery

... so count on this figure to be repurposed as him (and the Bludgeon effect to occur afterwards) No, if Cryotek is to be included, he'll be using Prime Bulkhead's body as per his Uprising looks

I forgot how good that cryofire-predaking looks.

Might we get some maximal action with these figures? Would be a perfect chance to go back to some of the other characters. ..like mangaboss.