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Renne wrote:Evil_the_Nub wrote:Omega Supreme is one robot that transforms into a rocket, a tank, and a base. RotF Devastator is one robot that transforms into a bunch of construction vehicles.
One robot who transforms into one rocket or one tank or one base. Not a whole bunch.
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
Evil_the_Nub wrote:Renne wrote:Evil_the_Nub wrote:Omega Supreme is one robot that transforms into a rocket, a tank, and a base. RotF Devastator is one robot that transforms into a bunch of construction vehicles.
One robot who transforms into one rocket or one tank or one base. Not a whole bunch.
He transforms into all three at the same time, he's not a quadruple changer.
Rampage is red in the movie. His toys are all yellow.DLove wrote:Wait, so if Rampage is red and going after Sam - what is the yellow transformer that forms Devastator's leg? In the official toy Rampage forms one of the legs. I am so confused....lol
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Rampage is red in the movie. His toys are all yellow.DLove wrote:Wait, so if Rampage is red and going after Sam - what is the yellow transformer that forms Devastator's leg? In the official toy Rampage forms one of the legs. I am so confused....lol
In the movie, there are two each Constructicon (except for Scavenger and Overload). The ones that have their own robot modes are all named individually. And they each have a counterpart that forms a part of Devastator.
Long Haul, Mixmaster, Scrapper, and Rampage each fought by themselves; and Hightower was killed by the others to be used for spare parts for Megs' ressurrection. And each of them had a counterpart that formed a part of Devastator. And each combiner counterpart went unnamed in the movie.
It is only the toys that give names to the combiner versions, and this is just to help identify who each piece resembles.
The only exceptions to this are Scavenger and Overload, as there were only one of each in the movie, and they were both only components of Devastator.
And despite popular belief, Demolishor is NOT the robot counterpart of Scavenger. While Demolishor's toy is red, the movie made it clear that Demolishor is white and Scavenger is red.
Renne wrote:Evil_the_Nub wrote:Renne wrote:Evil_the_Nub wrote:Omega Supreme is one robot that transforms into a rocket, a tank, and a base. RotF Devastator is one robot that transforms into a bunch of construction vehicles.
One robot who transforms into one rocket or one tank or one base. Not a whole bunch.
He transforms into all three at the same time, he's not a quadruple changer.
Yes but this is clearly NOT the same as a combiner. Okay? Okay. Glad we got that sorted.
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
No, it was "only a Prime can defeat The Fallen".Sonic Wing wrote:NEW PLOT HOLE!!!
i dont know if anyone had said this but here i go:
If only a prime can kill a prime, how come Megatron kills Optimus Prime?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Ragnorok64 wrote:How is Glenn Morshower still alive? The last movie mad a big deal of Lennox team being the only survivors of Blackout's attack yet Secret Service Dude from 24 is alive and promoted in this movie?
How did they manage to fly the whole compliment of NESTS and Autobots around the entire world to Egypt so quickly and without Galloway noticing? That should have been a very long flight.
How did Mikaela book a plane and fly 3000 miles in the time it took Sam to walk to his dorm and paint Cybertronian symbols on his walls? Heck how did she get through airport security with a highly suspicious metal container with a sentient robot in it?
Did Bumblebee drive across the country in like a day to be at Sam's college by the party on his first night there?
How could Leo be so entrenched with his tech setup at the dorms if he was only in college for "2 days?"
syphonn wrote:In the first movie they were able to imprison Megatron by freezing him, they were also able to capture Bumble Bee by freezing him. In the second movie after they repaired Megatron he flew into space, why didn't he didn't 'shutdown' then? I'm assuming they used liquid nitrogen to freeze him which is approximately 77K and space is approximately 3K
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
optimus7211 wrote:why do all the primes have to sacrifice themselves to hide the cube, only to have it easily found by a four-person group of humans. then the fallen got a hold of it and since all the primes were dead optimus was left to fend for himself. but if they werent dead they could have handled this situation a lot easier
thats kind of a waste of primes
syphonn wrote:So was it the layers of ice that kept him prisoner at S-7, or was it the deep freeze they had him in? Either way, if he was imprisoned in ice then it makes him that much weaker ... thwarted by ice; If it was just the temperature that kept him offline, again, why didn't he freeze when flying into space, right out of the water at that. Same question for Bumble Bee, what immobilized him? The temperature of the liquid nitrogen, or the layer of frost formed from cooling the moisture in the air around him?
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
Renne wrote:syphonn wrote:So was it the layers of ice that kept him prisoner at S-7, or was it the deep freeze they had him in? Either way, if he was imprisoned in ice then it makes him that much weaker ... thwarted by ice; If it was just the temperature that kept him offline, again, why didn't he freeze when flying into space, right out of the water at that. Same question for Bumble Bee, what immobilized him? The temperature of the liquid nitrogen, or the layer of frost formed from cooling the moisture in the air around him?
Like I said, this is a plothole from the first movie. You are not going to get an answer that you're happy with. Let it go.
AutoShermatic wrote:Here is what I consider the biggest plot hole. The Fallen first arrived on earth 17,000 BC. He wants to use Earths sun to harvest energon, but the Primes stop him, hide the matrix. The Fallen obviously needs the cube to find the matrix, the Cube lands on Earth. So being that Megatron is the Fallen's disciple I am to assume that Megatron was sent to earth to find the cube so that the Fallen could find the Matrix. Well some things don't add up. Megatron was found by Sam's grandpa in 1897. The oldest form taken by the seekers was a Ford Model T so I assume they arrived around 1908. I take it that they were on Earth to look for the key? Either way, Megatron never returns and the humans build Hoover damn around the cube. My whole point of this is, Why did the Fallen wait from 1897 till 2007 to send the Decepticons to go get Megatron. In the first movie I believed it took them so long because they had to find him, but the Fallen would have known what planet Megatron was on. So the Fallen chills on Mars,or Saturn or whatever, waits over 100 years, and waits for the ONE BEING IN THE UNIVERSE THAT CAN STOP HIM ( Optimus Prime ) TO ARRIVE ON EARTH ,Only then does he kick his plan in motion. Not to mention the fact that he gave the humans 100 years to advance science and technology enough to adequately fight an alien invasion. Why didn't he just go to Earth with the decepticons when megatron first came up missing, he could have enslaved the planet, and had 100 years to search for the cube and the matrix before the Autobots even knew where they were. Someone please explain this to me.
Sabrblade wrote:No, it was "only a Prime can defeat The Fallen".Sonic Wing wrote:NEW PLOT HOLE!!!
i dont know if anyone had said this but here i go:
If only a prime can kill a prime, how come Megatron kills Optimus Prime?
As for how Megs did it, he snuck up from behind and stabbed him in the back.
Optimus is a direct decendent of the seven, Megs is not. While they may be bros, it would seem that the Prime inheritance was only passed to Optimus and not to Megatron.YRQRM0 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:No, it was "only a Prime can defeat The Fallen".Sonic Wing wrote:NEW PLOT HOLE!!!
i dont know if anyone had said this but here i go:
If only a prime can kill a prime, how come Megatron kills Optimus Prime?
As for how Megs did it, he snuck up from behind and stabbed him in the back.
If Megs was Primes "Brother", shouldn't he be a Prime? He should've just blasted The Fallen's head off while he was sitting in that chair for 2000 years. Unless Prime was speaking metaphorically.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
YRQRM0 wrote:AutoShermatic wrote:Here is what I consider the biggest plot hole. The Fallen first arrived on earth 17,000 BC. He wants to use Earths sun to harvest energon, but the Primes stop him, hide the matrix. The Fallen obviously needs the cube to find the matrix, the Cube lands on Earth. So being that Megatron is the Fallen's disciple I am to assume that Megatron was sent to earth to find the cube so that the Fallen could find the Matrix. Well some things don't add up. Megatron was found by Sam's grandpa in 1897. The oldest form taken by the seekers was a Ford Model T so I assume they arrived around 1908. I take it that they were on Earth to look for the key? Either way, Megatron never returns and the humans build Hoover damn around the cube. My whole point of this is, Why did the Fallen wait from 1897 till 2007 to send the Decepticons to go get Megatron. In the first movie I believed it took them so long because they had to find him, but the Fallen would have known what planet Megatron was on. So the Fallen chills on Mars,or Saturn or whatever, waits over 100 years, and waits for the ONE BEING IN THE UNIVERSE THAT CAN STOP HIM ( Optimus Prime ) TO ARRIVE ON EARTH ,Only then does he kick his plan in motion. Not to mention the fact that he gave the humans 100 years to advance science and technology enough to adequately fight an alien invasion. Why didn't he just go to Earth with the decepticons when megatron first came up missing, he could have enslaved the planet, and had 100 years to search for the cube and the matrix before the Autobots even knew where they were. Someone please explain this to me.
I cracked up at that.
Well, didn't carbon dating say Megs and the cube both dated to B.C.? So The Fallen waited even longer than that. However they did have to find the location of Megs in hoover dam. Earth is pretty big for 7 decepticons to run around shouting Megatron, while they're up against all the technology humans have.
And perhaps the Ford guy had been there much longer, but he had to disguise himself due to the human population increease? But how could they not find the Matrix, or at least the cube? Wouldn't all the other bots with The Fallen (that were not primes) just have seen the other Primes walk off and turn themselves into a tomb? They obviously didn't kill the Fallen or anything, so did they just all wake up in the middle of the night while he was asleep and go turn into a tomb? So it's like The Fallen wakes, sees they took the Matrix, flies to another Planet, leaving the sun harvester behind, as well as the cube (was the cube just drifting in space? Didn't they at least look for it? ) So eventually the fallen sends cons to find the Matrix, then Megs to find the cube, and The Fallen waits and waits and waits and waits til Screamer comes back and says "Megatron died"??? And why did all the tomb-seekers just go dormant like Jetfire did? It seems after hundreds of years they just would've enslaved the human race instead of hiding and transforming every time a human comes like the toys in Toy Story. And what happened to the rest of the bots it showed in the beginning? They did cover the U.S., as shown by Wheelie when he points the lasers on the map. And there's bound to be more in other countries, more than enough to kill EVERYONE when they first came.
And how did the Primes have Optimus as a decendant if they were buried? He would've had to be "born" in the tomb.
It's too bad they just didn't land on Mars first, blow up the sun, then they never would've known there was life.
He was sealed away, trapped inside his sarcophagus.syphonn wrote:YRQRM0 wrote:AutoShermatic wrote:Here is what I consider the biggest plot hole. The Fallen first arrived on earth 17,000 BC. He wants to use Earths sun to harvest energon, but the Primes stop him, hide the matrix. The Fallen obviously needs the cube to find the matrix, the Cube lands on Earth. So being that Megatron is the Fallen's disciple I am to assume that Megatron was sent to earth to find the cube so that the Fallen could find the Matrix. Well some things don't add up. Megatron was found by Sam's grandpa in 1897. The oldest form taken by the seekers was a Ford Model T so I assume they arrived around 1908. I take it that they were on Earth to look for the key? Either way, Megatron never returns and the humans build Hoover damn around the cube. My whole point of this is, Why did the Fallen wait from 1897 till 2007 to send the Decepticons to go get Megatron. In the first movie I believed it took them so long because they had to find him, but the Fallen would have known what planet Megatron was on. So the Fallen chills on Mars,or Saturn or whatever, waits over 100 years, and waits for the ONE BEING IN THE UNIVERSE THAT CAN STOP HIM ( Optimus Prime ) TO ARRIVE ON EARTH ,Only then does he kick his plan in motion. Not to mention the fact that he gave the humans 100 years to advance science and technology enough to adequately fight an alien invasion. Why didn't he just go to Earth with the decepticons when megatron first came up missing, he could have enslaved the planet, and had 100 years to search for the cube and the matrix before the Autobots even knew where they were. Someone please explain this to me.
I cracked up at that.
Well, didn't carbon dating say Megs and the cube both dated to B.C.? So The Fallen waited even longer than that. However they did have to find the location of Megs in hoover dam. Earth is pretty big for 7 decepticons to run around shouting Megatron, while they're up against all the technology humans have.
And perhaps the Ford guy had been there much longer, but he had to disguise himself due to the human population increease? But how could they not find the Matrix, or at least the cube? Wouldn't all the other bots with The Fallen (that were not primes) just have seen the other Primes walk off and turn themselves into a tomb? They obviously didn't kill the Fallen or anything, so did they just all wake up in the middle of the night while he was asleep and go turn into a tomb? So it's like The Fallen wakes, sees they took the Matrix, flies to another Planet, leaving the sun harvester behind, as well as the cube (was the cube just drifting in space? Didn't they at least look for it? ) So eventually the fallen sends cons to find the Matrix, then Megs to find the cube, and The Fallen waits and waits and waits and waits til Screamer comes back and says "Megatron died"??? And why did all the tomb-seekers just go dormant like Jetfire did? It seems after hundreds of years they just would've enslaved the human race instead of hiding and transforming every time a human comes like the toys in Toy Story. And what happened to the rest of the bots it showed in the beginning? They did cover the U.S., as shown by Wheelie when he points the lasers on the map. And there's bound to be more in other countries, more than enough to kill EVERYONE when they first came.
And how did the Primes have Optimus as a decendant if they were buried? He would've had to be "born" in the tomb.
It's too bad they just didn't land on Mars first, blow up the sun, then they never would've known there was life.
You make a good point, what was The Fallen doing from the time the Primes hid the Cube until his appearance in the movie, it wasn't hidden that far from the chamber ... did he even look?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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