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Given how Marvel had neutered Juggernaut over the years I can see the same thing happen to DD. Murdock hasn't had the good writer love of the 80s since the late 90s.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Truth be told I'm hard pressed to think of a scenario where DD could beat Bats.
In lite of the way both characters have been written in the last few years I would say the fight would go to Bats.
I'ld like to see a link to the list if possible. It's not that I doubt your Klingon honor, I just want to confirm who else I think would be above him on the list.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Simply put if what has been written is true and all things in both universe's are equal then Batman is the 2nd or 3rd best fighter in the world of DC.
I think that DD was ranked in the upper half of the top 10 of Marvel best fighters.
I'ld have to disagree here. Cap is likely listed as Marvel's top fighter and just ain't human. Cap claimed to be peak human but he lied. Curling 800pd with one arm makes me think he can bench a ton or two. Being able to keep up with Spidey or Wolverine on foot is easily faster than 35 mph. These three can each perform at there peak for over a day (I think spidey got a boost a while back). Wolverine does all this with 50 to 100pd of metal on his bones. For Cap to be a match for Wolverine he can't be peak human.I think Bat's fighting Cap would be closer to Cap fighting 90's Quicksilver.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:If the ranking scales of both universes are the same [ and I know that a big IF ] Then DD cant match Bats.
A real good fight would be Captain America vs Batman.
AxiomScion wrote:Given how Marvel had neutered Juggernaut over the years I can see the same thing happen to DD. Murdock hasn't had the good writer love of the 80s since the late 90s.
AxiomScion wrote:I'ld like to see a link to the list if possible. It's not that I doubt your Klingon honor, I just want to confirm who else I think would be above him on the list.
AxiomScion wrote:If I'm right marvels top fighter list has members who hardly should count as peak human while DC had a 16 year old girl out fight Batman because she can read his moves. I'm thinking DD can pull of something close with his senses and radar
AxiomScion wrote:I'ld have to disagree here. Cap is likely listed as Marvel's top fighter and just ain't human. Cap claimed to be peak human but he lied. Curling 800pd with one arm makes me think he can bench a ton or two.
AxiomScion wrote:Being able to keep up with Spidey or Wolverine on foot is easily faster than 35 mph. These three can each perform at there peak for over a day (I think spidey got a boost a while back). Wolverine does all this with 50 to 100pd of metal on his bones. For Cap to be a match for Wolverine he can't be peak human.I think Bat's fighting Cap would be closer to Cap fighting 90's Quicksilver.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
I appreciate it. I've looked through google a few days on this.I'll look for something but I cant make any promosiss.It was something I saw a few years back.
I can tell you that some of the guys on the list didn't make sense to me and I can also tell you some of the guys that out ranked DD but not in the order they had.
Captain America, Wolverine, Thor, Taskmaster, Marvel's master of Kung Fu [I forgot his name] and Ironfist is all I can remember right now..
AxiomScion wrote:I appreciate it. I've looked through google a few days on this.I'll look for something but I cant make any promosiss.It was something I saw a few years back.I can tell you that some of the guys on the list didn't make sense to me and I can also tell you some of the guys that out ranked DD but not in the order they had.
Captain America, Wolverine, Thor, Taskmaster, Marvel's master of Kung Fu [I forgot his name] and Ironfist is all I can remember right now..
Frankly cap is Cap, with 30-50 years of combat experience depending (i forget).
Wolverine with his memory intact probably has more exp than cap.
I think I can follow why a Norse deity that's been fighting for over 100 years might be a good fighter. He's spared with Cap too.
Taskmaster is like that Naruto copycat ninja but came first and he's copied most of the best for over 10 years now.
Ironfist is marvel's green hornet nod to Bruce.
And the master of kungfu had to get his name some how.
The ones I'ld count as similar to the DC list are Ironfist, master of kungfu, and maybe Taskmaster would count. If Wildcat were on DC's list then DD would at least be above him and Nitewing. Is Slade, Bane, or Green arrow on the DC list?
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
AxiomScion wrote:
I'm pretty sure Batgirl's parents each made the list seeing as one of them taught her (and Batman) while the other could beat her (and Batman) until recently.
AxiomScion wrote:deathstroke fights better than nightwing![]()
AxiomScion wrote:deadpool fights better than winter soldier
AxiomScion wrote:I could try and search with wizard, it's easier to find a tier list of abilities, strength, or speed but reference combat or fighting and I get a ton of marvel and DC video games and reviews
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
TreCool wrote:From what I read so far there are hardly any Marvel nerds here.
Noone really knows about DD´s exact abilities here, it seems
I am not a nerd but almost:) I also read DC too, especially when I was a kid.
Ok. First,about the hearing thing i read someone talk about. There are so many versions of superman that its hard to tell wich one we´re talking about.compare the films, and Daredevil has a superior hearing to superman.
Superman doesnt focus on his hearing at all times, he kinda has to pay attention to even have it(in the movies and TV).Daredevil uses his senses a lot more directly(in the comics).even though he can filter out disturbing noises, he is still at all times aware of everything in a wide radius.
TreCool wrote:back to topic.
There is no sure winner here.
If batman had no technology whatsoever with him,just his bat-a-rangs etc., Daredevil would defeat him, he is a metahuman physically,he is theoretically superior to Batman.
TreCool wrote:But I wouldnt exactly call that a fair competition.
TreCool wrote:The silencing device alone wont do it, since bats is neither scent-less
TreCool wrote: nor doesnt move air around him when he moves.
TreCool wrote:So daredevil will EXACTLY know where bats is at all times.
TreCool wrote:So bats would have to be very prepared/lucky and well informed about DD to defeat him.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
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