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Damolisher wrote:And even if Dreamwave had made changes, it wouldn't matter. Dreamwave has their OWN continuity. They DON'T retcon anything else.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Tramp wrote:Actually, there is no contradiction. The marvel comic says nothing about the Autobots creating the Targetmasters first. Zarak stole the Headmaster plans and used them to adapt them to the Targetmaster system already developed long ago but using Nebulans instead of robots. The excerpt from the Marvel comcis there does not specifiy what "Master" process Zarak stole. You are simply assuming that it was the Targetmaster process.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Auto Bot wrote:Is Primus equal to Cybertron? Can the Cybertron planet transform?
Tramp wrote:Auto Bot wrote:Is Primus equal to Cybertron? Can the Cybertron planet transform?
Yes, Primus is Cybertron, and yes, Cybertron can trasnform, but Primus rarely if ever does. Don Figueroa came up with a concept design for Primus' robot mode printed in War Within as one of his unused concept sketches, and it is printed in the Ultimate Guide. The first time we see Primus transform is in Cybertron.
He's got some pretty far-out powers to go along with them, too, including teleportation, the projection of trippy telepathic visions and illusions, and the ability to groove on the language of 98% of all known species. To uses his powers to the fullest, though, he's gotta be feelin' good vibrations; bad karma can seriously harsh his mellow, y'know?
Primus C-00 wrote:Tramp wrote:Auto Bot wrote:Is Primus equal to Cybertron? Can the Cybertron planet transform?
Yes, Primus is Cybertron, and yes, Cybertron can trasnform, but Primus rarely if ever does. Don Figueroa came up with a concept design for Primus' robot mode printed in War Within as one of his unused concept sketches, and it is printed in the Ultimate Guide. The first time we see Primus transform is in Cybertron.
Rumour has it that the original draft of Transformers the movie, saw Hot Rod and the like chasing down Optimus Prime's body so that it and the Matrix could be plugged into Cybertron's core allowing Primus to fight Unicron.
No offence to the original version, but WOW!
Eradicator wrote:Listen, So Primus exists in all CYbertrons (how?) through the allspark, (can someone clarify on what the allspark is?), and Unicron exista as one whole being in the multiverse, right?
BTW, are those pics you guys keep coming up with from the Transformers Ultimate Guide?
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Eradicator wrote:Listen, So Primus exists in all CYbertrons (how?) through the allspark, (can someone clarify on what the allspark is?), and Unicron exista as one whole being in the multiverse, right?
BTW, are those pics you guys keep coming up with from the Transformers Ultimate Guide?
Eradicator wrote:Listen, So Primus exists in all CYbertrons (how?) through the allspark, (can someone clarify on what the allspark is?), and Unicron exista as one whole being in the multiverse, right?
BTW, are those pics you guys keep coming up with from the Transformers Ultimate Guide?
He's got some pretty far-out powers to go along with them, too, including teleportation, the projection of trippy telepathic visions and illusions, and the ability to groove on the language of 98% of all known species. To uses his powers to the fullest, though, he's gotta be feelin' good vibrations; bad karma can seriously harsh his mellow, y'know?
Eradicator wrote:Ok, I just picked up the Transformers Ultimate Guide updated version from B&N. It is one AWSOME book. The artwork s superb, IMO.
I read the Primus and Unicron origins, and my own version is gonna go like this:
Before the dawn of time, order and chaod perfectly existed in an extradimensional entity known as the One (I, embarrisingly, do not know what the One is with this explanation. Clarification?). He was curious at the sigt of the new multiverse, and so created twin heralds to rule: Primus and Unicron. From the Astral Plane (what is this?), Primus led his brother inside 2 hollow metal asteroids. (metal? WTF?). In time, they shaped their prisons into metal planets, able to transform back into resemblances from their forms in the 'astral plane'. They each created bodies (planets) for themselves in each universe. Primus created duplicated of his spark, and placed them in each body across the universe. Unicron did not. He kept his own spark, but if he was destroyed, his spark would be flung to another body he created in another universe.'
Probably gonna edit this based upon if this would make sense in canon material. I really hated the idea of the 'One' creating Unicron then creating Primus from him. Wouldn't that mean Primus would be evil, too? So wuld this fit with canon material?
Some equivalent concepts to the astral plane in various esoteric teachings are the Barzakh or Imaginal or Inter-world in Islamic Esotericism (Ishraqism, Sufism, etc), the World of Asiyah in Lurianic Kabbalah (although this sometimes includes the physical plane as well), or Yetzirah in some interpretations of Hermetic Kabbalah, the "spirit world" in Spiritualism, the "Nervous" State in Max Theon's teachings, and the "Vital" World in the philosophy of Sri Aurobindo and Mirra Alfassa.
In his book Autobiography of a Yogi, Sri Sri Paramhansa Yogananda characterizes the difference between the physical, astral, and causal planes, as per traditional Hindu philosophy. In this conception, when one dies the soul moves to the astral plane. There the result of past actions or karma is reaped.
The term "astral plane" has also more recently come to mean a plane of existence where otherkin believe their souls reside.
The word "astral" (like celestial) means of or like the stars and is used in reference to the astral plane because astral matter does not require a light source to make it visible -astral matter gives off its own light, like stars do.
metal (sometimes referred to simply as metal) is a genre of rock music that developed in the late 1960s and early 1970s.[1] With roots in blues-rock and psychedelic rock, the bands that created heavy metal developed a thick, heavy, guitar-and-drums-centered sound, characterized by highly amplified distortion and fast guitar solos. The All Music Guide states that "of all rock & roll's myriad forms, heavy metal is the most extreme in terms of volume, machismo, and theatricality."
He's got some pretty far-out powers to go along with them, too, including teleportation, the projection of trippy telepathic visions and illusions, and the ability to groove on the language of 98% of all known species. To uses his powers to the fullest, though, he's gotta be feelin' good vibrations; bad karma can seriously harsh his mellow, y'know?
Primus C-00 wrote:Eradicator wrote:Ok, I just picked up the Transformers Ultimate Guide updated version from B&N. It is one AWSOME book. The artwork s superb, IMO.
I read the Primus and Unicron origins, and my own version is gonna go like this:
Before the dawn of time, order and chaod perfectly existed in an extradimensional entity known as the One (I, embarrisingly, do not know what the One is with this explanation. Clarification?). He was curious at the sigt of the new multiverse, and so created twin heralds to rule: Primus and Unicron. From the Astral Plane (what is this?), Primus led his brother inside 2 hollow metal asteroids. (metal? WTF?). In time, they shaped their prisons into metal planets, able to transform back into resemblances from their forms in the 'astral plane'. They each created bodies (planets) for themselves in each universe. Primus created duplicated of his spark, and placed them in each body across the universe. Unicron did not. He kept his own spark, but if he was destroyed, his spark would be flung to another body he created in another universe.'
Probably gonna edit this based upon if this would make sense in canon material. I really hated the idea of the 'One' creating Unicron then creating Primus from him. Wouldn't that mean Primus would be evil, too? So wuld this fit with canon material?
The One is a curious amalgamation of Chaos and Light to appease monotheists, godniks and jebus freaks and anyone else offended by Manichean duality. In my humble opinion The One is just a ruse to try to dupe Primus and make Unicron feel better.
Before that great ret-con there were others, and a time wherein which Elder (Chaos) Gods ruled and a being so big he sat outside time. but that reeks of Lovecraft and the relgious right don't like that like they don't like heavy metal, roleplay games and smut.
http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Gods
Mmm hmm.
Astral plane:Some equivalent concepts to the astral plane in various esoteric teachings are the Barzakh or Imaginal or Inter-world in Islamic Esotericism (Ishraqism, Sufism, etc), the World of Asiyah in Lurianic Kabbalah (although this sometimes includes the physical plane as well), or Yetzirah in some interpretations of Hermetic Kabbalah, the "spirit world" in Spiritualism, the "Nervous" State in Max Theon's teachings, and the "Vital" World in the philosophy of Sri Aurobindo and Mirra Alfassa.
In his book Autobiography of a Yogi, Sri Sri Paramhansa Yogananda characterizes the difference between the physical, astral, and causal planes, as per traditional Hindu philosophy. In this conception, when one dies the soul moves to the astral plane. There the result of past actions or karma is reaped.
The term "astral plane" has also more recently come to mean a plane of existence where otherkin believe their souls reside.
The word "astral" (like celestial) means of or like the stars and is used in reference to the astral plane because astral matter does not require a light source to make it visible -astral matter gives off its own light, like stars do.
Metal:metal (sometimes referred to simply as metal) is a genre of rock music that developed in the late 1960s and early 1970s.[1] With roots in blues-rock and psychedelic rock, the bands that created heavy metal developed a thick, heavy, guitar-and-drums-centered sound, characterized by highly amplified distortion and fast guitar solos. The All Music Guide states that "of all rock & roll's myriad forms, heavy metal is the most extreme in terms of volume, machismo, and theatricality."
Thus ends this lesson of Primus.
Eradicator wrote:Ok, I just picked up the Transformers Ultimate Guide updated version from B&N. It is one AWSOME book. The artwork s superb, IMO.
I read the Prmus and Unicron origins, and my own version is gonna go like this:
Before the dawn of time, order and chaod perfectly existed in an extradimensional entity known as the One (I, embarrisingly, do not know what the One is with this explanation. Clarification?). He was curious at the sigt of the new multiverse, and so created twin heralds to rule: Primus and Unicron. From the Astral Plane (what is this?), Primus led his brother inside 2 hollow metal asteroids. (metal? WTF?). In time, they shaped their prisons into metal planets, able to transform back into resemblances from their forms in the 'astral plane'. They each created bodies (planets) for themselves in each universe. Primus created duplicated of his spark, and placed them in each body across the universe. Unicron did not. He kept his own spark, but if he was destroyed, his spark would be flung to another body he created in another universe.'
Probably gonna edit this based upon if this would make sense in canon material. I really hated the idea of the 'One' creating Unicron then creating Primus from him. Wouldn't that mean Primus would be evil, too? So wuld this fit with canon material?
Whiner-tron wrote:Too...much...conflicting...INFO!!!
Well, it was Hasbro that decided to tie Unicron and Primus as multiversal beings, with Primus existing in all realties at once and Unicron travelling between them as he consumes each. So blaim them.i_amtrunks wrote:Whiner-tron wrote:Too...much...conflicting...INFO!!!
Guess thats what happens when you have a dozen different writers at a dozen different times interpreting their own versions of back-story and history.
It would be easiest to explain the history of Primus and Unicron in relation to each individual series, but some people refuse to let that be, and insist that all series should be able to be tied in together, making it far too mushy and complicated.
Tramp wrote:Well, it was Hasbro that decided to tie Unicron and Primus as multiversal beings, with Primus existing in all realties at once and Unicron travelling between them as he consumes each. So blaim them.i_amtrunks wrote:Whiner-tron wrote:Too...much...conflicting...INFO!!!
Guess thats what happens when you have a dozen different writers at a dozen different times interpreting their own versions of back-story and history.
It would be easiest to explain the history of Primus and Unicron in relation to each individual series, but some people refuse to let that be, and insist that all series should be able to be tied in together, making it far too mushy and complicated.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
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