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Savage wrote:What do ya'll think of the various TF religious artifacts?
Savage wrote:So I'm of the opinion that G1's Vector Sigma and BM's Oracle are one and the same. I seem to recall (but I could be mistaken) that Beast Machines actually stated that the Oracle was Vector Sigma.
Movie is not part of the same continuam as G1/BW/BM.The Allspark from the movie seems to serve the same function as Vector Sigma: mystic force that gives life to machines.
Damolisher wrote:The Oracle and Vector Sigma are different. Note that Vector Sigma and the Oracle are referred to as different things. Tanknox gains possession of the Key to Vector Sigma. If you didn't need a key, why would there be a Key? (Given though, Silverbolt destroyed the Key in G1, but still). The Oracle is only able to be contacted by the two leaders, it seems.
Savage wrote:The Allspark from the movie seems to serve the same function as Vector Sigma: mystic force that gives life to machines.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Saber Prime wrote:Savage wrote:So I'm of the opinion that G1's Vector Sigma and BM's Oracle are one and the same. I seem to recall (but I could be mistaken) that Beast Machines actually stated that the Oracle was Vector Sigma.
Watch this episode. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmpxsLhtLPM Never says Vector Sigma and the Oracle are the same.
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Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Damolisher wrote:How can Vector Sigma be Primuses Brain when Primus isn't in the G1 cartoon? How can Primus have anything to do with ANYTHING in the G1 cartoon when he isn't in the G1 cartoon?
Damolisher wrote:How can Vector Sigma be Primuses Brain when Primus isn't in the G1 cartoon? How can Primus have anything to do with ANYTHING in the G1 cartoon when he isn't in the G1 cartoon?
Caelus wrote:
Vector Sigma has been mentioned in continuities other than the G1 Cartoon, continuities in which Primus does exist.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Saber Prime wrote:Savage wrote:So I'm of the opinion that G1's Vector Sigma and BM's Oracle are one and the same. I seem to recall (but I could be mistaken) that Beast Machines actually stated that the Oracle was Vector Sigma.
Watch this episode. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmpxsLhtLPM Never says Vector Sigma and the Oracle are the same.
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No they dont but they do heavly imply that their conected.Even that clip you posted would lead you to the same idea.....If you look at time frame 2:50 trew 3:40 the drone gains acsess to vecto sigma trew the Oracle.
That also implyed that the Oracle is connected to the plasma energy chamber.....the forge that the original Transformers bodys were formed.
Best guess is that they were implying that Vector Sigma, The Matrix and the plasma energy chamber were all connected at some level and over the years combined to form the Oracle and the well of All Sparks.
What he said.Damolisher wrote:How can Vector Sigma be Primuses Brain when Primus isn't in the G1 cartoon? How can Primus have anything to do with ANYTHING in the G1 cartoon when he isn't in the G1 cartoon?
Saber Prime wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Saber Prime wrote:Savage wrote:So I'm of the opinion that G1's Vector Sigma and BM's Oracle are one and the same. I seem to recall (but I could be mistaken) that Beast Machines actually stated that the Oracle was Vector Sigma.
Watch this episode. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmpxsLhtLPM Never says Vector Sigma and the Oracle are the same.
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No they dont but they do heavly imply that their conected.Even that clip you posted would lead you to the same idea.....If you look at time frame 2:50 trew 3:40 the drone gains acsess to vecto sigma trew the Oracle.
That also implyed that the Oracle is connected to the plasma energy chamber.....the forge that the original Transformers bodys were formed.
Best guess is that they were implying that Vector Sigma, The Matrix and the plasma energy chamber were all connected at some level and over the years combined to form the Oracle and the well of All Sparks.
Being conected and being the same are two complatly different subjects. I don't deny the fact there is a conection between the Oracle and Vector Sigma. I was only pointing out that Vector Sigma did not become, mutate, upgrade, morph, Transform, or whatever into the Orical as the OP sugested.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Saber Prime wrote:What he said.Damolisher wrote:How can Vector Sigma be Primuses Brain when Primus isn't in the G1 cartoon? How can Primus have anything to do with ANYTHING in the G1 cartoon when he isn't in the G1 cartoon?
Primus was never really introduced in the cartoons till Transformers Cybertron. He originated in the comics before he ever came to be in the cartoons.
Major difference between G1 cartoons and comics is Primus doesn't exsist. The Quentessons built all the Transformers. Vector Sigma is their computer and has no conection to Primus.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Saber Prime wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Saber Prime wrote:Savage wrote:So I'm of the opinion that G1's Vector Sigma and BM's Oracle are one and the same. I seem to recall (but I could be mistaken) that Beast Machines actually stated that the Oracle was Vector Sigma.
Watch this episode. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmpxsLhtLPM Never says Vector Sigma and the Oracle are the same.
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No they dont but they do heavly imply that their conected.Even that clip you posted would lead you to the same idea.....If you look at time frame 2:50 trew 3:40 the drone gains acsess to vecto sigma trew the Oracle.
That also implyed that the Oracle is connected to the plasma energy chamber.....the forge that the original Transformers bodys were formed.
Best guess is that they were implying that Vector Sigma, The Matrix and the plasma energy chamber were all connected at some level and over the years combined to form the Oracle and the well of All Sparks.
Being conected and being the same are two complatly different subjects. I don't deny the fact there is a conection between the Oracle and Vector Sigma. I was only pointing out that Vector Sigma did not become, mutate, upgrade, morph, Transform, or whatever into the Orical as the OP sugested.
Never said you did.........but on the otherhand your assuming just as much as he did because they never said that Vector Sigma did not in fact become, mutate, upgrade, morph, Transform, or whatever into the Oricale.
They never really said ether way.
Saber Prime wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Saber Prime wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Saber Prime wrote:Savage wrote:So I'm of the opinion that G1's Vector Sigma and BM's Oracle are one and the same. I seem to recall (but I could be mistaken) that Beast Machines actually stated that the Oracle was Vector Sigma.
Watch this episode. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmpxsLhtLPM Never says Vector Sigma and the Oracle are the same.
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No they dont but they do heavly imply that their conected.Even that clip you posted would lead you to the same idea.....If you look at time frame 2:50 trew 3:40 the drone gains acsess to vecto sigma trew the Oracle.
That also implyed that the Oracle is connected to the plasma energy chamber.....the forge that the original Transformers bodys were formed.
Best guess is that they were implying that Vector Sigma, The Matrix and the plasma energy chamber were all connected at some level and over the years combined to form the Oracle and the well of All Sparks.
Being conected and being the same are two complatly different subjects. I don't deny the fact there is a conection between the Oracle and Vector Sigma. I was only pointing out that Vector Sigma did not become, mutate, upgrade, morph, Transform, or whatever into the Orical as the OP sugested.
Never said you did.........but on the otherhand your assuming just as much as he did because they never said that Vector Sigma did not in fact become, mutate, upgrade, morph, Transform, or whatever into the Oricale.
They never really said ether way.
They do say. The line is "Vector Sigma is INSIDE the Oricle" not "Vector sigma IS the Oricle" doesn't get more clear than that.
BTW That wasn't a clip the full episode is on there you just gotta follow the links. It's in 3 parts, watch the full episode. It's verry clear they are two seperate things, I just think the OP hasn't seen it in a LONG while.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Saber Prime wrote:What he said.Damolisher wrote:How can Vector Sigma be Primuses Brain when Primus isn't in the G1 cartoon? How can Primus have anything to do with ANYTHING in the G1 cartoon when he isn't in the G1 cartoon?
Primus was never really introduced in the cartoons till Transformers Cybertron. He originated in the comics before he ever came to be in the cartoons.
Major difference between G1 cartoons and comics is Primus doesn't exsist. The Quentessons built all the Transformers. Vector Sigma is their computer and has no conection to Primus.
Yeah but the Beast Machines show referres to them both.
Saber Prime wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Saber Prime wrote:What he said.Damolisher wrote:How can Vector Sigma be Primuses Brain when Primus isn't in the G1 cartoon? How can Primus have anything to do with ANYTHING in the G1 cartoon when he isn't in the G1 cartoon?
Primus was never really introduced in the cartoons till Transformers Cybertron. He originated in the comics before he ever came to be in the cartoons.
Major difference between G1 cartoons and comics is Primus doesn't exsist. The Quentessons built all the Transformers. Vector Sigma is their computer and has no conection to Primus.
Yeah but the Beast Machines show referres to them both.
There's a few lines where they use the name Primus in conversation like we would use God but it's never mentioned as Primus is the creator of the Transformers. It's just a word that means nothing.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
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