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News Credits: 5 · by **Sledge** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:34 pm

Dude, I AM reading what you're saying. You're saying that, because the only city name we know is Iacon, Shockwave must have his headquarters in or near Iacon. That makes no sense whatsoever. As I've explained, it's like only having ever heard of New York, therefore everyone must live in or near New York. It simply doesn't make sense.

Oh, and opposing armies generally prefer not to have their headquarters next door to each other.

News Credits: 6 · by **Dr. Caelus** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:35 pm

Sledge wrote:That still makes no sense. If I say I live in a city but don't tell you the name, will you assume that it's New York just because you live there?

If I say the Autobots and Decepticons came to Earth on two ships, would you say they have no names just because the names aren't mentioned in the cartoon?

News Credits: 5 · by **Sledge** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:45 pm

How can I put this? Ah, yes: well, D'UH!

Or, to be more precise: neither ship was named in the cartoon. The name "Ark" was adopted from the comic by fandom for ease of reference, and the name "Nemesis" was... plucked out of someone's arse, as far as I know.

Now, do you have a point you wanted to make, or arer you just so infatuated with me, you want my opinions on everything?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:28 pm

Saber Prime wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:
Sledge wrote:
Caelus wrote:Wheeljack mentions Iacon in the first five minutes or so of the Cartoon. I think the Ark is mentioned soon after that, though I don't believe the Nemesis was ever named in the cartoon, just shown.

Of course, the Ark was also mentioned in the G1 Comics, same as Primus. It changed hands a few times as well, travelled back to Cybertron (under the command of Grimlock) and crashed on Earth again (under the command of Shockwave). It was a major plot device.
"We've gotta get these energy convertors back to Iacon!"
"I'm right behind you!"
~ MTMTE, Part 1.

The Autobot ship/HQ is, to the best of my knowledge, never referred to as "The Ark" at any point in the G1 cartoon. The name came from the comic, as did the bizarre naming of it's computer as "Auntie." The Decepticon ship was unnamed.

Oh, while I'm on the go: what would make anyone think Shockwave was stationed at Iacon? Wouldn't that make things a little bit awkward?
Megatron: What are the accursed Autobots up to?
Starscream: We could go and listen in, they're only on the other side of this wall.
Megatron: No, no. That would violate the agreement, and leave me susceptible to finding shaving foam in my boron compressor again. Blast that Sideswipe. And what IS shaving foam?

Iacon is a HUGE city, you make it sound like an apartment.

Heck I live in a small town and dispite what TV would lead you to belive I do not know everyone who lives here and rumors do not travel fast. Iacon and Crystal City (from what I can remember) were the only citys named in G1 toon and sence Crystal City was allready destroyed before it was ever introduced Shockwave must be in Iacon.

Thats a limited way of thinking.....just because no other city was mwentioned doesnt meen that Shockwave must be in Iacon.

How many citys have you heard of in New York?????Just because you didnt hear any other names is no reason to Assume that there were only 2 cities.

But I have no real clue to where he was station.

Have you found any G1 episodes with the name The Ark or the Nemisis yet???
Arg what the heck was I on when I wrote that no wander you misunderstood so badly.

I simply ment that if Shockwave were stationed in a different city it would have been named somewhere in the series. Like "Hey let's go to <insert name here> and kick Shockwave's afterburner." They never said where he was so it can be assumed he's in Iacon.

Maybe the Decepticon base on Cybertron was near the outskirts of Iacon while the Autobots were actully somewhere in the city itself.

Well think about this......In the first episode we see Wheeljack and Bumblebee request entree to Iacon witch looked like a closed off dome of a city from movies like Dune witch suggest that the Autobots held control of Iacon to them selfs.Soundwave stands in his light post mode outside the city walls.After Lazerbeek returns from his spy mission they fly off in the opposite direction.....away from the city.

I would say that it makes more sence that it were 2 different citys.

I also see no reason why the city the Con's may have be in would have been named at all......the creaters rarly ever named the human city's or towns that were showen on the show and they couldnt even be bothered enough to create cybertron robot modes for anybody except Lazerbeek.

The never named ether the Autobot's or Decepticn's ships.....and the Autobot ship was seen in every episode of season's 1 and 2.If they never bothered to name the Autobot ship what make's you think that they would have named the Decepticon city??????It was seen far less then the Autobot ship.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:32 pm

Saber Prime wrote:
Sledge wrote:That still makes no sense. If I say I live in a city but don't tell you the name, will you assume that it's New York just because you live there?
Now you're just putting words in my mouth. Read what I'm saying and stop trying to read things that aren't there.

Look even in the first episode and several episodes later whenever a city name is mentioned it's allways Iacon. Shockwave is in or at least near Iacon simple as that. How the hell is that so difficult to understand?

I think that the name Iacon was only used once or maybe twice.

News Credits: 1 · by **Saber Prime** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:10 pm

Sledge wrote:Dude, I AM reading what you're saying. You're saying that, because the only city name we know is Iacon, Shockwave must have his headquarters in or near Iacon. That makes no sense whatsoever. As I've explained, it's like only having ever heard of New York, therefore everyone must live in or near New York. It simply doesn't make sense.

Oh, and opposing armies generally prefer not to have their headquarters next door to each other.

That's not what I'm saying at all. That's not even close to what I said.

Look at the first episode. They mention the name Iacon as the Autobot's city/base/head quarters. How far do they travel to get from where ever they're at back to Iacon. Maybe like 8 miles.

Whenever they take Megatron's space bridge back to Cybertron they're presumably going back to Iacon (especially in one episode where Wheeljack has to got into his work shop on Cybertron) How far do they travel between Shockwave's location to Wheeljack's shop? Not verry far at all.

How would they even have a war if they were not somewhere near eachother?

Time to go attack the Autobots.

1 week later

Are we there yet?

No.

1 week later

Are we there yet?

NO!

1 week later

Are we there yet?

I TOLD YOU NO!

1 week later

Are we there yet?

The Autobots are clear across the f-ing planet will you stop f-ing asking me "Are we there yet?" every f-ing week!

1 week later

Are we- *blasted to death*

We're here, but you're not.

by **Pyrostrata** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:16 pm

Saber Prime wrote:
Sledge wrote:How would they even have a war if they were not somewhere near eachother?

Time to go attack the Autobots.

1 week later

Are we there yet?

No.

1 week later

Are we there yet?

NO!

1 week later

Are we there yet?

I TOLD YOU NO!

1 week later

Are we there yet?

The Autobots are clear across the f-ing planet will you stop f-ing asking me "Are we there yet?" every f-ing week!

1 week later

Are we- *blasted to death*

We're here, but you're not.

LOL...funny! :grin:

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:51 pm

Saber Prime wrote: That's not what I'm saying at all. That's not even close to what I said.

Look at the first freaking episode. They mention the name Iacon as the Autobot's city/base/head quarters. How far do they travel to get from where ever they're at back to Iacon. Maybe like 8 miles.

Dude there's no way of really knowing from the first episode how far Bumblebee and Wheeljack traveled from where they incounterd those seekers and Iacon.....first just after they get away from the seekers they go under ground....then we see one of those Autobot changes to Decepticn symples that indicate a shift in the scene's and next we see Wheeljack with BB inside him in frount of Iacon above ground.

Plenty of time's when they do that change of symples thing hours have pasted inbetween so we really cant tell how far they traveled.

Saber Prime wrote:Whenever they take Megatron's space bridge back to Cybertron they're presumably going back to Iacon (especially in one episode where Wheeljack has to got into his work shop on Cybertron) How far do they travel between Shockwave's location to Wheeljack's shop? Not verry freaking far.

There's no reason to beleave that Wheeljack's workshop is inside Iacon.Iacon was domed over and you could not see space from inside it when we see it the first time....every time they go back to his workshop the are in a opened city where you can still see space in the sky above.

Thats why I think that Iacon in the toon was not a city but a base of operations.

Saber Prime wrote:How would they even have a war if they were not somewhere near eachother?

Time to go attack the Autobots.

1 week later

Are we there yet?

No.

1 week later

Are we there yet?

NO!

1 week later

Are we there yet?

I TOLD YOU NO!

1 week later

Are we there yet?

The Autobots are clear across the f-ing planet will you stop f-ing asking me "Are we there yet?" every f-ing week!

1 week later

Are we- *blasted to death*

We're here, but you're not.

Funny as hell :lol:

News Credits: 6 · by **Dr. Caelus** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:38 am

Sledge wrote:Now, do you have a point you wanted to make, or arer you just so infatuated with me, you want my opinions on everything?

Actually, in my head I flipped something you said earlier with something Sto said earlier and if you knew what I thought you said, then you'd understand why I said what I said to you, and then you wouldn't have asked what my point was, because you would have been...

... wait, what were we talking about again?

Okay, so recap wise:

1) The Autobot Flagship was named the Ark in the first issue of the Marvel Comics, long before Beast Wars. The name has been used repeatedly since then, whenever a G1 continuity is involved.

2) The Autobot Flagship was never referred to by name in the cartoon.

3) Considering that, culturally, TFs seem very similar to humans, it is highly unlikely that the ship wouldn't have had a name.

.: Since no alternative name for the ship has ever been posited, it is reasonable to make the statement, "The Autobot Flagship in G1 was The Ark".

So, I guess what I was thinking is this:

If you say you're from a city in New York, but never specify what city, it would be more foolish of me to assume that the city has no name, than to assume that the city is New York City.

Which would be my response if one of you was arguing that The Ark isn't canon since it didn't appear by name in the cartoon. If however you were just quibbling over the technicalities of whether it was or wasn't named in the cartoon, then I don't know, although if it wasn't named, I still think it's reasonable for someone to call it The Ark, in lieu of using the rather vague moniker "The Ship".

I don't remember at this point however what the focal point of the debate was.

Now that we're all sufficiently confused, I'm going to bed.

Maybe.

That or continuing to deprive myself of sleep in preparation for Thursday night.

Oooh... Ice Cream...

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:46 am

Caelus wrote:
Sledge wrote:Now, do you have a point you wanted to make, or arer you just so infatuated with me, you want my opinions on everything?

Actually, in my head I flipped something you said earlierwith something Sto said earlier and if you knew what I thought you said, then you'd understand why I said what I said to you, and then you wouldn't have asked what my point was, because you would have been...

Ok guy.....you just lost me on the way to Alberkirky

Caelus wrote:If you say you're from a city in New York, but never specify what city, it would be more foolish of me to assume that the city has no name, than to assume that the city is New York City.

I think assuming anything is foolish.

Caelus wrote:Which would be my response if one of you was arguing that The Ark isn't canon since it didn't appear by name in the cartoon. If however you were just quibbling over the technicalities of whether it was or wasn't named in the cartoon, then I don't know, although if it wasn't named, I still think it's reasonable for someone to call it The Ark, in lieu of using the rather vague moniker "The Ship".

I don't remember at this point however what the focal point of the debate was.

It wasnt about wether it was canon or not just a general feeling that the Beast shows fit into the Marvel Comic G1 more then it did the toon because there would be less contradiction seeing that the ship had the same name[The Ark] Primus is a god like figure and things like that.

Caelus wrote:Now that we're all sufficiently confused, I'm going to bed.

Maybe.

That or continuing to deprive myself of sleep in preparation for Thursday night.

Oooh... Ice Cream...

Good nite

News Credits: 5 · by **Sledge** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:06 am

Saber: ok, now you're just pulling stuff out of your arse. How do you figure they only travelled eight miles to get to Iacon? Furthermore, even if they were eight miles outside Iacon, how does that in any way mean there's only one city on Cybertron?

Caelus: as I think I've explained, I'm aware of the history of the term "The Ark" used to refer to the Autobots spacecraft/Season 1-2 HQ. I'm taking issue with Saber once again talking utter rubbish and insisting that it was ever referred to as "The Ark" in the cartoon.

And I'll disagree with you on the idea that the Transformers name their ships, simply by pointing out that not one ship in the cartoon was ever referred to by a name. Culturally similar? Hmm, not sure on that one. So much of human culture ultimately derives from our need to mate, a need that doesn't exist for TFs in anything like the same way.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:14 am

Sledge wrote: So much of human culture ultimately derives from our need to mate, a need that doesn't exist for TFs in anything like the same way.

Maybe they did have a need to mate?????????And since only the Autobots had the only female TF's we ever saw....it could explaine the beginings of the civil war.

It was all over Robobooty

Just joking.

News Credits: 5 · by **Sledge** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:17 am

According to most fanfic writers, Starscream and Megatron are gay, so I don't think they'd be bothered.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:21 am

Sledge wrote:According to most fanfic writers, Starscream and Megatron are gay, so I don't think they'd be bothered.

Then maybe what they wanted was for every one on cybertron to be gay???????

I had a joke involving a cars tailpipe but I didnt think it would go over to well with the mods

News Credits: 1 · by **Saber Prime** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:27 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:Whenever they take Megatron's space bridge back to Cybertron they're presumably going back to Iacon (especially in one episode where Wheeljack has to got into his work shop on Cybertron) How far do they travel between Shockwave's location to Wheeljack's shop? Not verry freaking far.

There's no reason to beleave that Wheeljack's workshop is inside Iacon.Iacon was domed over and you could not see space from inside it when we see it the first time....every time they go back to his workshop the are in a opened city where you can still see space in the sky above.

Thats why I think that Iacon in the toon was not a city but a base of operations.

I don't think that Dome your talking about is even Iacon but rather a single building within Iacon.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:39 am

oooppppsssss

News Credits: 1 · by **Saber Prime** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:41 am

Sledge wrote:Saber: ok, now you're just pulling stuff out of your arse. How do you figure they only travelled eight miles to get to Iacon? Furthermore, even if they were eight miles outside Iacon, how does that in any way mean there's only one city on Cybertron?

Your version of what I said...

1. There is only one city on Cybertron.

2. The entire population of Cybertron lives in one city.

What I actully said...

1. There is only one city we see on Cybertron.

2. The main cast members we see in the first 3 episodes live in the same city or at least near eachother.

Now you're probly going to come back with

1. Right so it's the only city on Cybertron because it's the only one we ever see. That's makes no sence.

Of course not but I'm not the one who came to that conclusion, I never said that, YOU SAID IT! so if it makes no sence that's your own fault.

2. So now you're saying the main cast members are the entire population of Cybertron. That makes no sence.

No I'm not saying that, YOU ARE!

There we clear now?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:47 am

Saber Prime wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:Whenever they take Megatron's space bridge back to Cybertron they're presumably going back to Iacon (especially in one episode where Wheeljack has to got into his work shop on Cybertron) How far do they travel between Shockwave's location to Wheeljack's shop? Not verry freaking far.

There's no reason to beleave that Wheeljack's workshop is inside Iacon.Iacon was domed over and you could not see space from inside it when we see it the first time....every time they go back to his workshop the are in a opened city where you can still see space in the sky above.

Thats why I think that Iacon in the toon was not a city but a base of operations.

I don't think that Dome your talking about is even Iacon but rather a single building within Iacon.

Thats posible...it depends on how you chose to see it....but this much is fact....
When Wheeljack request's permishin to enter Iacon the dome doors open witch suggests that the dome is Iacon.
If the dome is only a building in the city of Iacon like you suggest then why would he ask permishin to enter a place he was already in?????

Here look for your self

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ16d-qpBEE

News Credits: 1 · by **Saber Prime** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:53 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:Whenever they take Megatron's space bridge back to Cybertron they're presumably going back to Iacon (especially in one episode where Wheeljack has to got into his work shop on Cybertron) How far do they travel between Shockwave's location to Wheeljack's shop? Not verry freaking far.

There's no reason to beleave that Wheeljack's workshop is inside Iacon.Iacon was domed over and you could not see space from inside it when we see it the first time....every time they go back to his workshop the are in a opened city where you can still see space in the sky above.

Thats why I think that Iacon in the toon was not a city but a base of operations.

I don't think that Dome your talking about is even Iacon but rather a single building within Iacon.

Thats posible...it depends on how you chose to see it....but this much is fact....
When Wheeljack request's permishin to enter Iacon the dome doors open witch suggests that the dome is Iacon.
If the dome is only a building in the city of Iacon like you suggest then why would he ask permishin to enter a place he was already in?????

Here look for your self

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ16d-qpBEE

Well it looks like the dome might be able to open which would exsplain why you can see sky in later episodes. Pluse the later episodes are a few billion years later so for all we know Iacon could have been taken over by the Decepticons before the Autobots returned to it.

It's not verry likely that Shockwave sat around all that time waiting by the phone for Megatron to call. Him and Elita One probly kept the war going that entire time the others were in stasis on Earth.

I think that actully might make for an interesting new series. Forget Optimus and Megatron, I just wanna see what Eleita One and Shockwave were doing on Cybertron while everyone was in stasis on Earth. :lol:

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:59 am

Saber Prime wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:Whenever they take Megatron's space bridge back to Cybertron they're presumably going back to Iacon (especially in one episode where Wheeljack has to got into his work shop on Cybertron) How far do they travel between Shockwave's location to Wheeljack's shop? Not verry freaking far.

There's no reason to beleave that Wheeljack's workshop is inside Iacon.Iacon was domed over and you could not see space from inside it when we see it the first time....every time they go back to his workshop the are in a opened city where you can still see space in the sky above.

Thats why I think that Iacon in the toon was not a city but a base of operations.

I don't think that Dome your talking about is even Iacon but rather a single building within Iacon.

Thats posible...it depends on how you chose to see it....but this much is fact....
When Wheeljack request's permishin to enter Iacon the dome doors open witch suggests that the dome is Iacon.
If the dome is only a building in the city of Iacon like you suggest then why would he ask permishin to enter a place he was already in?????

Here look for your self

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ16d-qpBEE

Well it looks like the dome might be able to open which would exsplain why you can see sky in later episodes. Pluse the later episodes are a few billion years later so for all we know Iacon could have been taken over by the Decepticons before the Autobots returned to it.

It's not verry likely that Shockwave sat around all that time waiting by the phone for Megatron to call. Him and Elita One probly kept the war going that entire time the others were in stasis on Earth.

I think that actully might make for an interesting new series. Forget Optimus and Megatron, I just wanna see what Eleita One and Shockwave were doing on Cybertron while everyone was in stasis on Earth.

Thats possible too.....the dome does open, thats where the Ark was launched from.

And according to this video Shockwave did nothing for 4 million years but try to get Megatron on the phone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-ItfWY3xMQ

I too have always said that they should do a show based on the 4 million years that Prime and Meg's were missing on Cybertron.

But what I'm saying is that if one was only taking the G1 toon's story in acount when trying to determin what Iacon is there's nothing saying its a city in the toon.

News Credits: 1 · by **Saber Prime** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:04 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:Whenever they take Megatron's space bridge back to Cybertron they're presumably going back to Iacon (especially in one episode where Wheeljack has to got into his work shop on Cybertron) How far do they travel between Shockwave's location to Wheeljack's shop? Not verry freaking far.

There's no reason to beleave that Wheeljack's workshop is inside Iacon.Iacon was domed over and you could not see space from inside it when we see it the first time....every time they go back to his workshop the are in a opened city where you can still see space in the sky above.

Thats why I think that Iacon in the toon was not a city but a base of operations.

I don't think that Dome your talking about is even Iacon but rather a single building within Iacon.

Thats posible...it depends on how you chose to see it....but this much is fact....
When Wheeljack request's permishin to enter Iacon the dome doors open witch suggests that the dome is Iacon.
If the dome is only a building in the city of Iacon like you suggest then why would he ask permishin to enter a place he was already in?????

Here look for your self

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ16d-qpBEE

Well it looks like the dome might be able to open which would exsplain why you can see sky in later episodes. Pluse the later episodes are a few billion years later so for all we know Iacon could have been taken over by the Decepticons before the Autobots returned to it.

It's not verry likely that Shockwave sat around all that time waiting by the phone for Megatron to call. Him and Elita One probly kept the war going that entire time the others were in stasis on Earth.

I think that actully might make for an interesting new series. Forget Optimus and Megatron, I just wanna see what Eleita One and Shockwave were doing on Cybertron while everyone was in stasis on Earth.

Thats possible too.....the dome does open, thats where the Ark was launched from.

And according to this video Shockwave did nothing for 4 million years but try to get Megatron on the phone

I too have always said that they should do a show based on the 4 million years that Prime and Meg's were missing on Cybertron.

Um... you forgot to you know, actully post the link when you said "this video" so there's no video there. I'm going to assume you were refering to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-ItfWY3xMQ

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:07 am

Saber Prime wrote:
Um... you forgot to you know, actully post the link when you said "this video" so there's no video there. I'm going to assume you were refering to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-ItfWY3xMQ

I'm tired but I was in the middle of editing it when you posted this.....I also posted this.......

"But what I'm saying is that if one was only taking the G1 toon's story in acount when trying to determin what Iacon is there's nothing saying its a city in the toon."

News Credits: 1 · by **Saber Prime** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:11 am

I'm not on guard duity, I'm a Guardian... of an entire planet... and I'm significantly under staffed.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:13 am

Saber Prime wrote:I'm not on guard duity, I'm a Guardian... of an entire planet... and I'm significantly under staffed.

Damn Bit*%$ :-P

News Credits: 1 · by **Saber Prime** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:55 am

Iacon is a HUGE city, you make it sound like an apartment.

Heck I live in a small town and dispite what TV would lead you to belive I do not know everyone who lives here and rumors do not travel fast. Iacon and Crystal City (from what I can remember) were the only citys named in G1 toon and sence Crystal City was allready destroyed before it was ever introduced Shockwave must be in Iacon.

Arg what the heck was I on when I wrote that no wander you misunderstood so badly.

I simply ment that if Shockwave were stationed in a different city it would have been named somewhere in the series. Like "Hey let's go to <insert name here> and kick Shockwave's afterburner." They never said where he was so it can be assumed he's in Iacon.

Maybe the Decepticon base on Cybertron was near the outskirts of Iacon while the Autobots were actully somewhere in the city itself.

Now you're just putting words in my mouth. Read what I'm saying and stop trying to read things that aren't there.

Look even in the first episode and several episodes later whenever a city name is mentioned it's allways Iacon. Shockwave is in or at least near Iacon simple as that. How the hell is that so difficult to understand?

That's not what I'm saying at all. That's not even close to what I said.

Look at the first episode. They mention the name Iacon as the Autobot's city/base/head quarters. How far do they travel to get from where ever they're at back to Iacon. Maybe like 8 miles.

Whenever they take Megatron's space bridge back to Cybertron they're presumably going back to Iacon (especially in one episode where Wheeljack has to got into his work shop on Cybertron) How far do they travel between Shockwave's location to Wheeljack's shop? Not verry far at all.

How would they even have a war if they were not somewhere near eachother?

Time to go attack the Autobots.

1 week later

Are we there yet?

No.

1 week later

Are we there yet?

NO!

1 week later

Are we there yet?

I TOLD YOU NO!

1 week later

Are we there yet?

The Autobots are clear across the f-ing planet will you stop f-ing asking me "Are we there yet?" every f-ing week!

1 week later

Are we- *blasted to death*

We're here, but you're not.

This was all in response to the question

what would make anyone think Shockwave was stationed at Iacon?

Simple question lead to what should have been a simple answer.

Now where in there did I ever say "Iacon is the only City on Cybertron" or "The entire population of Cybertron lives in Iacon" No where. I might have unintentially implyed it but that's where you're searching for a deeper meaning that isn't even there.

There is no hidden deeper meaning. Everything I said I said is right there plain as day, no hidden meanings just what is writen and nothing more and it's only ment to answer why someone could assume Shockwave was in or at least near Iacon.

The simple answer that you keep missing is simply "Because from what we see it looks like he's somewhere near if not in Iacon."

There's no "Iacon is the only city" no "the entire population of Cybertron lives in Iacon" that was all your assumtions not what I actully said.