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The character sucks…that’s your opinion...I think you don't like urban culture...That's my opinion. I didn't call you a racist. And its not bait. I just think burn doesn't like Jazz because he's a character that represents urban culture. NOT BLACK CULTURE! Urban Culture... There's a difference. AND!!! Burn’s so-called reason(s) for disliking the character, which seem pretty half assed, led me to believe that he didn’t care for Jazz’s urban persona… No more… no less.

So my opinions for not liking him are half-arsed? Whatever, at least i've given reasons, and in detail.

You however have decided that I, from my dislike of Jazz, dislike "urban culture" as a whole. And just what do YOU define as "urban culture". Isn't it a culture that's grown from the roots of a couple of different cultures? So for you to say I don't like urban culture is like saying I don't like certain ethnicities and THEIR cultures. Isn't that similar to calling me a racist?

See when I watch movies, I don't give a **** about who's from what culture, I just watch to be entertained, and Jazz didn't entertain me one damn bit when compared to the other bots.

So let's see you step up. You're so quick to criticise me for "not liking urban culture" and to brand my opinions "half-arsed", at least i've given my reasons for not liking Jazz. So let's see you give reasons as to why Jazz "represents urban culture".

Because I will say this, I have absolutely no problems whatsoever with other cultures or beliefs and I will not let you or any one else sit there behind the anonymity of their computer and accuse me of being otherwise just because I didn't like one character in a frigging movie.

^_^:::: Um...wow. Anyway...just wanted to give my two cents and say that I do think Jazz will be back. I just think so, get a feeling that he will make a come back. Mainly because he didn't get a lot of attention and he is a popular character. Some people don't absolutely adore him, but hes still popular.

And I guess I get my inkling because I think the second movie will show the Autobot's personal relationships a lot more instead of focusing so much on the war aspect. At least I hope so since this time around, as much as I love the movie, I didn't feel that the actual bots got much air time. (Don't all movie series do that though? The first in the series focuses on the problem more and then the sequels show you the character relationships in more depth.) I can just picture a scene with Ratchet working on Jazz and then being able to save him and the kids being amazed by it. *Shrug* thats just me.

Ahh... remember back in the good old days when dead characters just stayed dead. No ghosts, no reincarnations... just dead.

Oh, and what people fail to understand about Movie Jazz is that he, ladies and gentlemen, was the member of the away team wearing the red shirt...

Sunstormsclone wrote:The character sucks…that’s your opinion...I think you don't like urban culture...That's my opinion. I didn't call you a racist. And its not bait. I just think burn doesn't like Jazz because he's a character that represents urban culture. NOT BLACK CULTURE! Urban Culture... There's a difference. AND!!! Burn’s so-called reason(s) for disliking the character, which seem pretty half assed, led me to believe that he didn’t care for Jazz’s urban persona… No more… no less.

and i quote this from page 2 of this thread....

Sunstormsclone wrote:

Burn wrote:

Bumbled wrote:But Jazz was a good character

No, he was the worst. Definitely the worst and definitely deserving of being killed off so we're never graced with his presence ever again.

The worst? WTF! Ironhide kept quoting Clint Eastwood! Ratchet had one funny scene when he first showed up. As far as action goes Ironhide and Ratchet beat the hell out of Brawl, ALONG WITH Jazz who had the coolest attack scene! And megatron ripped him apart…That was to be expected but come on he represented for the autobots the entire time. When they took bubblebee he was like man that **** ain’t right. If it was up the Jazz they would ah rush up in that government facility guns-ah-blazing to get bubble! So don’t hate on his movie made blackness (he did not act like that in the cartoon!) because it fit him! Plus you need someone like Jazz in an era where hip hop shows up in everything and damn near rules all. If Jazz doesn’t come back, bring on Nightbeat and make him Urban!

ummm is someone contradicting themselves?? you clearly stated, NO, insinuated, that burn didn't like jazz because of his "blackness." **which he is NOT, he is an urban bot and im starting to get really offended by that statement being that i am black. it's very ignorant and stereo typical.** but back to what i was saying, what you said means you're insinuating that burn is a racist and you're flat out contradicting yourself. POiNT BLANK.


2ndly, you are baiting. HOW and WHY? because you constantly keep saying and referring to burn and stating that he does not like urban culture. in which you have NO PROOF to back up your ASSumptions. burn has NEVER ever showed any type of racism or dislike for the urban culture since i have seen his font on this board, so therefore your assumptions are very narrow minded and flat out ignorant. you don't know him personally so i suggest that you speak on what you know to be true and not on assumptions.

have you heard the saying "better to keep quiet and have people think you're a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." a little something to think about.

anyway...it's sad to leave off this board due to real life and not having anytime to log on and when i do have free time to check it or better yet even remember to check it, i see THiS type of madness still going in a thread about a bot who got the spark rocked out of him and whether he will be back or not. the whole purpose of the thread has been shot to sh*t due to immature stereo typical insinuations.

coming back to this made me realize WHY i started losing my interest in this board and it's threads in the first place.

Thenedain wrote:Oh, and what people fail to understand about Movie Jazz is that he, ladies and gentlemen, was the member of the away team wearing the red shirt...

Obviously. Lol. Just...doesn't mean he won't come back. haha! >.>' Maybe its just wishful thinking. ^_^

Jazz could come back. His Cybertronian body may be scrap now but what about some sort of human build body, something along the lines of BINALTECH!!

We know that Megatron will have to return in some form or another so why not Jazz. If he does come back then he needs to have a better role to play, I dont think he was given enough time in the first movie. Now that Bumblebee has had his fame they should let some of the others to the fore front.

i agree with Ravage if they could bring Megatron or any other character back then they could bring Jazz back only next time make him a Mazda like his alt. toy because Micheal Bay didn't like bumblebee the way he was they made him a stupid Camaro and made Jazz small instead which messes up with BB personality he was small but always had courage

First of all,
All the decepticons are confirmed dead except Starscream and I don't think they killed barricade ether. And the only Autobot who dies comes back??? They had to kill at least one of they Autobots or it would have been a lame movie the entire transformers line is about a war! People die in war thats what happens!!!

Secondly I don't think that I am alone when I say I would rather see a new Autobot in the second movie the a redeco jazz not that I don't like Jazz but he got his Chance. I want to see Mirage or Ultra Magnus or even Skyfire, show us some one eles!!

Ultra Magnus TF2!!!!!

Thirdly if megaton Comes back they will probable call him Galvatron anyways!!

Goddamn, this thread has more life in it than Jazz!

Hey since I'm new, I kinda like the idea of this thread.

However, I agree with those that say he's done for good.

1) He got ripped in half.
2) Prime said "ahhhhhhhhh Jazz... today we lost a great comrade" or something like that. That tells me (in my infinite wisdon heh) that Jazz ain't coming back.
3) He was a soldier to the end, and he died as honorably as he could but fell short. This is a common theme for the Autobots. His laser blasts bounced off Megatron and he lacked the physical skills to put up a true fight... his courage was essentially his greatest asset.

I liked Jazz. He cared about his friends and he gave it his all, but all-in-all he was just a casualty of war. There's no point to bring him back.

Whatever the case, we'll know for sure by Winter of 08 or spring of 09 whether Jazz is gone or will be rebuilt in someway. Right now..just rumors and wishful thinking.

And off topic..kinda creepy to see someone else using my own avatar I created as theirs too o.o;

Kanyon wrote:Whatever the case, we'll know for sure by Winter of 08 or spring of 09 whether Jazz is gone or will be rebuilt in someway. Right now..just rumors and wishful thinking.

And off topic..kinda creepy to see someone else using my own avatar I created as theirs too o.o;

So do u think he'll be back? I kinda doubt it.

roblinb wrote:

Kanyon wrote:Whatever the case, we'll know for sure by Winter of 08 or spring of 09 whether Jazz is gone or will be rebuilt in someway. Right now..just rumors and wishful thinking.

And off topic..kinda creepy to see someone else using my own avatar I created as theirs too o.o;

So do u think he'll be back? I kinda doubt it.

Honestly, It doesn't matter to me, aslong as the Transformers get more screen time and less bench time unlike the humans got. But this is Bays view on the new version of the Transformers so we have to let him do what he wants. Don't like it well..People can make their own movie if they want.

No Way.

He died.

That means that he is dead.

Besides they dumped his body int the ocean trench with the decepticons at the end of the movie.

DarkJet wrote:No Way.

He died.

That means that he is dead.

Besides they dumped his body int the ocean trench with the decepticons at the end of the movie.

No no, they dumped just the decepticons, I'm sure the Autobots saved his body to salvage any circuitry so a new enemy in the sequel or Cons can't get any info of the Autobots or anything. And besides, did you see them dump Jazz into the ocean?

Burn wrote:So my opinions for not liking him are half-arsed? Whatever, at least i've given reasons, and in detail.

You however have decided that I, from my dislike of Jazz, dislike "urban culture" as a whole. And just what do YOU define as "urban culture". Isn't it a culture that's grown from the roots of a couple of different cultures? So for you to say I don't like urban culture is like saying I don't like certain ethnicities and THEIR cultures. Isn't that similar to calling me a racist?

See when I watch movies, I don't give a **** about who's from what culture, I just watch to be entertained, and Jazz didn't entertain me one damn bit when compared to the other bots.

So let's see you step up. You're so quick to criticise me for "not liking urban culture" and to brand my opinions "half-arsed", at least i've given my reasons for not liking Jazz. So let's see you give reasons as to why Jazz "represents urban culture".

Because I will say this, I have absolutely no problems whatsoever with other cultures or beliefs and I will not let you or any one else sit there behind the anonymity of their computer and accuse me of being otherwise just because I didn't like one character in a frigging movie.

Ok first of all urban culture is derived from other cultures… You are correct. Second urban culture has spread to nearly every culture around the world. (Examples: Rap/Hip Hop and R&B. Music that’s derived from urban culture. Cilvaringz, Islord,
Chan Chu-E…All rap artists. They are from Germany, Egypt, and China respectively…Now keep up with me. Roca Wear, Wu-Wear, State Property…All clothing lines that derived from urban culture… They sale all over the world.) Ok if saying you dislike urban culture is calling you a racist…That would mean that I believe you hate at least 90% of every race on Earth? So explain to me how am I calling you a racist?

Ok now that that’s over. Second, you’re so-called reasoning for not liking Jazz. I’ve read all of you post. You say you don’t hate the char you just dislike the char. Hate is a totally different feeling for you blah blah blah, ok I understand that. Disliking something is someone’s personal thing I can’t make you like Jazz or even explain why you dislike him. BUT! You chose to explain on your own accord. AND!!! How did you explain it?

Burn wrote:

Bumbled wrote:But Jazz was a good character

No, he was the worst. Definitely the worst and definitely deserving of being killed off so we're never graced with his presence ever again.

No much reasoning there…Lots of opinion… But there’s more…

Burn wrote:They can, and they did.

And killing off a lead character isn't uncommon these days. Writers were churning out boring stuff so they decided that by killing lead characters would shock audiences and touch them deeper.

ahem ... anyway. For those who think otherwise allow me once again state why Jazz is dead and not coming back.

• The piece of the AllSpark - Was pulled out so Prime could show the movie going public that it was destroyed. It's power lost and was no longer a potential threat to the universe.
• Jazz G1 deco bio - Is NOT canon. Is simply there to sell a repainted figure to those fanboys who have more money than they need so they feel it best to give to Hasbro.
• What Prime said - If he could have been fixed either he or Ratchet would have said so! But they acknowledged his death!
• He sucked - Face it, even though there wasn't much characterisation, his character most certaintly did suck. He also really served no purpose. Prime - Boss, Bumblebee - Sam's Protector, Ironhide - Big bad gun dude, Ratchet - Medic dude, Jazz - Wanker dude.

Thank you, come again.

Lets continue…

Burn wrote:

Night Striker wrote:Burn I don't know how much G1 of Jazz you've ever seen, but he was one of the coolest characters in that cannon, and should not have been killed off.

I grew up with him thanks.

And frankly I found movie Jazz to be an insult to the name. Aside from adopting the "cool music genre of the era" style they had NOTHING else in common.

Communications officers are expendable, and the fact he acted so many times to be a distraction does not make him a memorable character. It makes him cannon fodder.

Oh sure, in the real world he might be considered brave and noble. But as far as the movie goes? Cannon fodder.

Ok that one baffled me…I mean do you down a soldier for jumping on a grenade? Is it wrong for the good guy to throw himself into harms way? Isn’t that the entire point? It seems like you only care for the autobots who ran away from the fight…or the ones who got taken out by lesser decepticons (Starscream vs Ironhide and Ratchet) I mean seriously I do not understand your reasoning. Seems to me like you’re idea of a hero is someone who’s in the way with little to no purpose. LIKE IRONHIDE!!! Who clearly did nothing. Can anyone tell me one thing he did? Starscream beat him in seconds… He ran from megatron… He had few scenes in the final battle and they were awful. His flips were cool though! But his performance as a badass autobot with big guns was lacking. He took on no one 1-on-1, only brought down brawl with the assistance of the army dudes Ratchet and Jazz…I mean what was so great about him compared to Jazz? He had a title BIG GUY WITH GUNS and it meant absolutely nothing.

Oh and PRiMESDESTiNY person…I’m not here to diss Burn in any way. It wasn’t bait and I didn’t plan for him to immediately think that my statement was in any way racially motivated. You pointed out my blackness statement. Maybe I failed to explain that. It was simply what could be considered urban sarcasm. When I said his blackness I meant that most people would take him as the black guy because of his break dancing and the what’s kickin lil bitches line. I mean from the start everyone in the theater pointed him out as the cool, laidback, hip, black bot. I mean that’s just an African-American stereotype. If it walks like a rapper, talks like a rapper and represents like a rapper… it’s a black guy. Now I don’t believe that at all. That’s why I didn’t say don’t hate the black bot, I said don’t hate on his blackness… it was sarcasm.

Soooo…Back to burn. Let me explain again why I feel like Jazz was the best autobot. First his urban style was appealing, especially to those who enjoy urban culture (Music, video games, television shows). So I was a fan from the initial “What’s kickin’ lil bitches” Second I liked Jazz from the cartoon. He was hip and cool. His style was more of the flashy super star type but he possessed a B-Boy attitude <<<(an urban thing). Third, IMO he had the best animated acrobatic movements. When he first showed up and transformed (break danced), When the transformers intercepted those sector 7 guys, Jazz did this ill flip from the bridge. During the final battle Jazz’s attacks were cool. He was just so mobile like a 15ft tall spider-man or something. It was enjoyable. Forth, Jazz represent for the autobots in a similar way that a rapper does for his record label or homeboy reps for his homies. He even seemed to follow the street code that’s rapped about continuously these days. His concern for bubble bee…That ride or die attitude. Ya boys come first even before yourself. I mean he represented all of that. That’s why I felt like his death was well placed in this movie.

Now let me explain why I feel like Burn doesn't like Jazz due to his representation of urban culture. First of all Burn…You stated that Jazz was useless. Did you not find his character’s character noble? I believe that you completely misunderstood Jazz’s character because you don’t understand urban culture. Just my opinion!!!!!! Its not set in stone. BUT! I really believe the character didn’t entertain you and even annoyed you because you don’t like and don’t understand urban culture…(RAP, R&B, The Language…The walk, the attitude) I’d feel the same way if Jazz arrived with a straw hat and spoke with a country drawl while using country slang. I don’t dig that culture…(Does that make me racist against white people? Kinda hard to do…But there are self hating racist.)

Didn’t think I would say all of this mybad to those who actually read all of it.

*yawn*

Someone summarise that for me, because I really can't be bothered reading it, nor do I feel I need to continually justify my dislike of a movie character to someone who simply cannot accept my opinion is different from theirs.

Movies ... fictional ... moving on ...

Guys calm down. Hey we all have our opinions. What's with the culture stuff?

If someone doesn't like Jazz just reply once and maybe say I thought he was a good character or something. Even I don't make a fuss about people not liking Bumblebee although some of us do and I can't blame those people

All Burns is trying to say is that his opinion is Jazz sucks. Let me tell you your never going to change that I have argued with Burns a lot Sunstormsclone and basically your wasting your time typing all that.

Thank you... shows over... bye bye!

Bumbled wrote:All Burns is trying to say is that his opinion is Jazz sucks. Let me tell you your never going to change that I have argued with Burns a lot Sunstormsclone and basically your wasting your time typing all that.

You make me sound unreasonable.

I've given my reasons, they however don't seem adequate enough, because it seems the only reason for me disliking Jazz that Sunstormsclone will accept from me is a full and frank admission that I hate all ethnic diversities and believe only in the purity of the white race and as such find Jazz and his blatantly ethnic characterisation to be completely and utterly disgusting in my pure eyes.

That's if I were like that though ... but then if I were I wouldn't respect the opinions of those that differ to mine, unless their forced down my throat.

god_convoy_2005 wrote:I just read that actor Darius McCrary (Jazz in the film) hinted that Jazz might return in a sequel thanks to the fragment of the allspark Optimus pulled from Megatron. However it is just a rumor.

I think he was just saying that... you know, to have something to say.

I'm going to say it again, and I've said it 100 times before: JAZZ SHOULD STAY DEAD.

This just furthers my theory that Transformers fans (ironically) are so afraid of change, that many of them don't even want the Autobot cast to change from movie to movie. I've read alot of the "sequel wish list" threads and have noticed that too many fans WANT ALL THE SAME CHARACTERS FROM THE FIRST FILM. So, basically, they want the first movie all over again.

Yes, Jazz was cool, but he had his moment in the sun, and that's that. He was as present in the movie as he was in the G1 series. If we are only going to get three films, we should try to put as many classic characters in the trilogy as we can without overloading it, and that can't happen if everytime someone dies, they need to come back because the some of the fans can't deal with a cool character dying AND STAYING DEAD.

DevastaTTor wrote:The ghost of Jazz is going to return. And he's going to be evil. And not just evil, EEEEE...VIL. And he's going to make everyone cry because he's calling them bitches and hos, all hip hop style. He'll be the Don Imus of Transformers.

What are you trying to do? Make me pee myself!!??

Duo Prime wrote:

DevastaTTor wrote:The ghost of Jazz is going to return. And he's going to be evil. And not just evil, EEEEE...VIL. And he's going to make everyone cry because he's calling them bitches and hos, all hip hop style. He'll be the Don Imus of Transformers.

What are you trying to do? Make me pee myself!!??

he probably has a eeeeeee...vil masterplan which involves a deadly laughing plague, making people roll on the floor laughing their asses off, so much that they can't even remember that they died from it

He has ways to make people pee themselves... but those ways are to be learned through the power of the force, young padawan.

anyways... Jazz rules, and should probably have a cameo in TF2, at least. as a smoking pile of trash (the remains from Jazz, after Megs totally assaulted him) on the repair bay in the Autobot base?

Jazz in TF2? No thanks.

While I didn't mind the character, he was nothing compared to his G1 toon self. I actually cheered when Megatron ripped him in two. But that was more for showing the love of the strength, brutality and power of Megatron than the fact Jazz was dead.


As for the leftover chunk of Allspark? If anyone is going to return from that, it'll be Megatron. It was his chest the thing was embedded in.

Skowl wrote:

god_convoy_2005 wrote:I'm going to say it again, and I've said it 100 times before: JAZZ SHOULD STAY DEAD.

Dude tell me about it!

Guys Jazz isn't going to come back full stop! \

If he was do you think that Optimus Prime could've said something positive about Jazz instead of saying "We lost a great comrade." That would just look stupid if Jazz comes back when Optimus Prime has confirmed his death!