Kayevcee wrote:A fellow Glaswegian! Welcome, Gav! I'm also on the Hub, which is a UK-based forum you might enjoy (or might not):
http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/mb/thehub
I agree with you that there's entirely too much flipping out going on all across the internet because of this one image. The only thing that's going to tell me whether the upcoming show is good or bad is the pilot episode. Even then, Beast Wars' pilot wasn't that great and look how it turned out.
-Nick
Gav wrote:I'd really like to know why everyone is assuming that this will be dumbed down pile of crap before seeing any actual evidence other than one image? We might all love it, who knows?! A naive attitude? Perhaps, but i love my hobby and try to stay as positive as i can about this new 'toon.
Kayevcee wrote:A fellow Glaswegian! Welcome, Gav! I'm also on the Hub, which is a UK-based forum you might enjoy (or might not):
http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/mb/thehub
I agree with you that there's entirely too much flipping out going on all across the internet because of this one image. The only thing that's going to tell me whether the upcoming show is good or bad is the pilot episode. Even then, Beast Wars' pilot wasn't that great and look how it turned out.
-Nick
ALL-R-1 wrote:OK so the new design is jarring since it's hitting us cold. But like others have said, this has an air of Samurai Jack/Clone Wars to it - and frankly, those are two of the most well written, beautifully animated series ever concieved in the West. I have my fingers crossed that Gendy Tarkovsky is at the helm - everything he touches turns to gold.
Windracer wrote:Well, I can't say I'm surprised considering this is Cartoon Network we're talking about here. I figured the designs were gonna look like ass. :SICK:
Gimme back my anime Transformers plz. >_>;
EDIT: And in hindsight I can't help but laugh in the general direction of all those folks who constantly glitched and moaned for a TF series made in a Western country because they couldn't stand the Japanese series'... Well, you guys got what you wanted. Happy now?
reanimate28 wrote:Gav wrote:I'd really like to know why everyone is assuming that this will be dumbed down pile of crap before seeing any actual evidence other than one image? We might all love it, who knows?! A naive attitude? Perhaps, but i love my hobby and try to stay as positive as i can about this new 'toon.
if you just accept everything as cool then crap like this will keep rolling out.
Hot_Rod wrote:ALL-R-1 wrote:OK so the new design is jarring since it's hitting us cold. But like others have said, this has an air of Samurai Jack/Clone Wars to it - and frankly, those are two of the most well written, beautifully animated series ever concieved in the West. I have my fingers crossed that Gendy Tarkovsky is at the helm - everything he touches turns to gold.
Quite frankly, I turned those shows on and saw how FUGLY they were and never watched them again. How can you watch something and get into the story when you can't even get past the innitial appearence? I mean seriously, would you ever approach a women you were not attracted to so you could as her out on a date? I mean If it doesn't appeal to your eye at first, how are you supposed to ever get into the deep stuff?
Samurai Jack and Clone Wars were pure garbage. I couldn't sit through five minutes of that ugly pre-school papar miche animation style. And so what if they had great stories. How are you ever supposed to SEE the story if the look doesn't appeal enough to you that you stick around long enough to see the plot?
But I agree with the guy who said at this point after seeing the Bayformers which sucked the life and enthusiasm I had for Transformers these day right out from under me, that I simply just don't care as much. Really, 2 years ago I might have been writing plea letters to Hasbro to change their direction and would have been infuriated about this. But now after all the crap in the last year, I just looked at it and rolled my eyes. I'm begginning to expect nothing but pure garbage from Hasbro and it's all because of the Appologists within this very fandom that talk themselves into being OK with it and feel they need to just accept everything thrown at them because someone Stamps the Transformers name on it.
As for the discussion of children today being dumb of not having attention spans, It's all because of what is being put in front of them. For any of you who have the Season 2 part 1 DVD, watch the bonus interview with Michael McConnohie on the final disk. He makes some VERY good comments about this very subject and how todays animation talks DOWN to its audiencee and how these days studios don't even try to take the effort to put content in their stories.
That's the beauty of G1 and even Beast Wars. It never talked down to it's audiences. They always had some deeper toen in the plot of the story that made a kid want to learn about it. You had religoun and politics and so much more in a kids show. I made you think deeper about what was going on. And I can't tell you how many new words I learned just from watching the Transformers alone.
Hot_Rod wrote:ALL-R-1 wrote:OK so the new design is jarring since it's hitting us cold. But like others have said, this has an air of Samurai Jack/Clone Wars to it - and frankly, those are two of the most well written, beautifully animated series ever concieved in the West. I have my fingers crossed that Gendy Tarkovsky is at the helm - everything he touches turns to gold.
Quite frankly, I turned those shows on and saw how FUGLY they were and never watched them again. How can you watch something and get into the story when you can't even get past the innitial appearence? I mean seriously, would you ever approach a women you were not attracted to so you could as her out on a date? I mean If it doesn't appeal to your eye at first, how are you supposed to ever get into the deep stuff?
Samurai Jack and Clone Wars were pure garbage. I couldn't sit through five minutes of that ugly pre-school papar miche animation style. And so what if they had great stories. How are you ever supposed to SEE the story if the look doesn't appeal enough to you that you stick around long enough to see the plot?
But I agree with the guy who said at this point after seeing the Bayformers which sucked the life and enthusiasm I had for Transformers these day right out from under me, that I simply just don't care as much. Really, 2 years ago I might have been writing plea letters to Hasbro to change their direction and would have been infuriated about this. But now after all the crap in the last year, I just looked at it and rolled my eyes. I'm begginning to expect nothing but pure garbage from Hasbro and it's all because of the Appologists within this very fandom that talk themselves into being OK with it and feel they need to just accept everything thrown at them because someone Stamps the Transformers name on it.
As for the discussion of children today being dumb of not having attention spans, It's all because of what is being put in front of them. For any of you who have the Season 2 part 1 DVD, watch the bonus interview with Michael McConnohie on the final disk. He makes some VERY good comments about this very subject and how todays animation talks DOWN to its audiencee and how these days studios don't even try to take the effort to put content in their stories.
That's the beauty of G1 and even Beast Wars. It never talked down to it's audiences. They always had some deeper toen in the plot of the story that made a kid want to learn about it. You had religoun and politics and so much more in a kids show. I made you think deeper about what was going on. And I can't tell you how many new words I learned just from watching the Transformers alone.
D-340 wrote:Kinda puts the movie design bitching into perspective now, doesn't it?
Powermaster Jazz wrote:Hot_Rod wrote:ALL-R-1 wrote:OK so the new design is jarring since it's hitting us cold. But like others have said, this has an air of Samurai Jack/Clone Wars to it - and frankly, those are two of the most well written, beautifully animated series ever concieved in the West. I have my fingers crossed that Gendy Tarkovsky is at the helm - everything he touches turns to gold.
Quite frankly, I turned those shows on and saw how FUGLY they were and never watched them again. How can you watch something and get into the story when you can't even get past the innitial appearence? I mean seriously, would you ever approach a women you were not attracted to so you could as her out on a date? I mean If it doesn't appeal to your eye at first, how are you supposed to ever get into the deep stuff?
Samurai Jack and Clone Wars were pure garbage. I couldn't sit through five minutes of that ugly pre-school papar miche animation style. And so what if they had great stories. How are you ever supposed to SEE the story if the look doesn't appeal enough to you that you stick around long enough to see the plot?
But I agree with the guy who said at this point after seeing the Bayformers which sucked the life and enthusiasm I had for Transformers these day right out from under me, that I simply just don't care as much. Really, 2 years ago I might have been writing plea letters to Hasbro to change their direction and would have been infuriated about this. But now after all the crap in the last year, I just looked at it and rolled my eyes. I'm begginning to expect nothing but pure garbage from Hasbro and it's all because of the Appologists within this very fandom that talk themselves into being OK with it and feel they need to just accept everything thrown at them because someone Stamps the Transformers name on it.
As for the discussion of children today being dumb of not having attention spans, It's all because of what is being put in front of them. For any of you who have the Season 2 part 1 DVD, watch the bonus interview with Michael McConnohie on the final disk. He makes some VERY good comments about this very subject and how todays animation talks DOWN to its audiencee and how these days studios don't even try to take the effort to put content in their stories.
That's the beauty of G1 and even Beast Wars. It never talked down to it's audiences. They always had some deeper toen in the plot of the story that made a kid want to learn about it. You had religoun and politics and so much more in a kids show. I made you think deeper about what was going on. And I can't tell you how many new words I learned just from watching the Transformers alone.
I agree with everything you said except for the "Bayformers" part. I think the movie is actually what Transformers needs right now. I got people in their 30s, 40s and 50s telling me how they want to see this movie. The hardcore fans really need to get over the differences in design.
Satanatron wrote:Powermaster Jazz wrote:Hot_Rod wrote:ALL-R-1 wrote:OK so the new design is jarring since it's hitting us cold. But like others have said, this has an air of Samurai Jack/Clone Wars to it - and frankly, those are two of the most well written, beautifully animated series ever concieved in the West. I have my fingers crossed that Gendy Tarkovsky is at the helm - everything he touches turns to gold.
Quite frankly, I turned those shows on and saw how FUGLY they were and never watched them again. How can you watch something and get into the story when you can't even get past the innitial appearence? I mean seriously, would you ever approach a women you were not attracted to so you could as her out on a date? I mean If it doesn't appeal to your eye at first, how are you supposed to ever get into the deep stuff?
Samurai Jack and Clone Wars were pure garbage. I couldn't sit through five minutes of that ugly pre-school papar miche animation style. And so what if they had great stories. How are you ever supposed to SEE the story if the look doesn't appeal enough to you that you stick around long enough to see the plot?
But I agree with the guy who said at this point after seeing the Bayformers which sucked the life and enthusiasm I had for Transformers these day right out from under me, that I simply just don't care as much. Really, 2 years ago I might have been writing plea letters to Hasbro to change their direction and would have been infuriated about this. But now after all the crap in the last year, I just looked at it and rolled my eyes. I'm begginning to expect nothing but pure garbage from Hasbro and it's all because of the Appologists within this very fandom that talk themselves into being OK with it and feel they need to just accept everything thrown at them because someone Stamps the Transformers name on it.
As for the discussion of children today being dumb of not having attention spans, It's all because of what is being put in front of them. For any of you who have the Season 2 part 1 DVD, watch the bonus interview with Michael McConnohie on the final disk. He makes some VERY good comments about this very subject and how todays animation talks DOWN to its audiencee and how these days studios don't even try to take the effort to put content in their stories.
That's the beauty of G1 and even Beast Wars. It never talked down to it's audiences. They always had some deeper toen in the plot of the story that made a kid want to learn about it. You had religoun and politics and so much more in a kids show. I made you think deeper about what was going on. And I can't tell you how many new words I learned just from watching the Transformers alone.
I agree with everything you said except for the "Bayformers" part. I think the movie is actually what Transformers needs right now. I got people in their 30s, 40s and 50s telling me how they want to see this movie. The hardcore fans really need to get over the differences in design.
I couldn't say it better I really believe the hardcore fans should let it go. Is old.
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