The Energon Pub

[Evolution Prime]

6. For those who think I am nothing but a Decepticon fanboy, I saw something in the opening scenes really disturbed me. Optimus Prime, the bastion of all that is good and moral when defeating his opponent walks up to him, and says "Any last words?" I was aghast there, when Demolisher(never called by name) said that the fallen will return, he said "Not today" and blows his head off right there. Holy **** dog ****! That was NOT Optimus Prime. I thought Optimus Prime has mercy for even his most hated foes. That was completely out of character. From walking up to Megatron at the end of the first movie and saying "I am sorry, brother." to "Any last words?" I damn near had a conniption fit. I will say this. Any autobot fanboys should better as hell be disturbed at this. THAT was not Optimus Prime there. If you think is was, then welcome to Decepticon way of life.

Well I may be in the minority here, but that is the side of Optimus Prime I've always wanted to see. He doesn't always have to be Mr. Goody Two Shoes. We are always led to believe that he is an Autobot bada$$ and on the level of Megatron, but rarely ever got to see it. Yeah he could stand toe to toe with him, but just didn't have that killer instinct. We finally get to see that. I have always wanted to see absolutely laying waste to Decepti-scum. Closest we saw that was his enterance in the TF:TM. That forest fight scene was all sorts of win for those of us wanting to see an a$$kicking Prime. We see the darker side of Optimus. It has been long overdue. He shows that you can kick a$$ and be compassionate as well.

Coincidentally, my main HMW character is based off of the darker side of Prime.

[Deceptitech]

Well I may be in the minority here, but that is the side of Optimus Prime I've always wanted to see. He doesn't always have to be Mr. Goody Two Shoes. We are always led to believe that he is an Autobot bada$$ and on the level of Megatron, but rarely ever got to see it. Yeah he could stand toe to toe with him, but just didn't have that killer instinct. We finally get to see that. I have always wanted to see absolutely laying waste to Decepti-scum. Closest we saw that was his enterance in the TF:TM. That forest fight scene was all sorts of win for those of us wanting to see an a$$kicking Prime. We see the darker side of Optimus. It has been long overdue. He shows that you can kick a$$ and be compassionate as well.

Coincidentally, my main HMW character is based off of the darker side of Prime.

Badass as he may be, Optimus Prime always tended to show mercy. Seeing Optimus Prime without any mercy to a foe is just not him. In every carnation he has fought the fight, but when the enemy is down he would always give them a chance at redemption. Here he didn't. That just wasn't Prime. Optimus Prime kills when he doesn't have a choice. In the heat of battle, he would kill. But the battle was over, he had won. That was just too bloodthirsty. There was no compassion in that scene. He just said "Any last words" and blew Demolisher's head off.Might as well have swapped his emblem with a Decepticon emblem right there.

[dabattousai]

The movie overall was better than the first in some cases. Too many robots on screen made everyone get very little screen time. Prime and Bumblebee having the more spotlight fights makes me wish they would turn to new bots instead.

-Jetfire was awesome, no complaints on that character.
-WTF happend to Wheelie at the end of the movie?
-Forest Fight the best part of the movie.
-Megatron and Starscream moments were great.

I'm going to see the IMAX version later this week. To anyone seeing both versions already, does the extended fight scenes make those scenes a bit more satisfying?

[divebomb83]

I saw this last friday and I really liked it, thought the ending was resolved too quickly - but all in all there was more I liked than disliked.

I also really liked the twins part, and really if you think they are like jar jar binks, I advise you to go back and watch phantom menace (if you can stand it!) and jar jar is infinitely more annoying. I thought they bought a nice bit of light relief in a somewhat incoherant movie.

Loved wheelie, and I never ever thought I would say that.

People banging on that bay-verse is not G1 cartoon - well you can't level that at him now, reusing models and drones etc - ever watch the G1 cartoon? they pulled this trick every week ha! (ok don't beat me for the comparison though!)

.......and the people who are crying that devestator/demolisher are defeated too easily, well cast your minds back to the prime crotch shooting not truly that bad is it?


My better half summed it up best, good, but not as good as the first - and too hard to follow.

and the heathen in me thinks I'll enjoy it in the comfort of my home cinema a lot more than on the big screen where things just blur into each other.

well theres my 10 pence.

[Kryptikore]

First of all after reading the first couple of reviews a few days ago from japans release I wasn't expecting a whole lot from this second installment of Transformers. Walking into a theatre not having high expectations can make the movie seem better. This movie wasn't anywhere near perfect, but it did have SOME entertaining moments. There is an amazing story to be told, but was replaced for action and silly humor just like the first film. Revenge of the Fallen is better than the first movie as far as action sequences.

The Good:
1. I was amazed with the battle scene in the forest with Optimus kicking major butt!
2. I did enjoy the twins. Favorite line was "Nobody messes with the twins" while they where attacking Devastator and "It's suppose to hurt. It's an asskicking"
3. Bumblebee in the battle scene between Rampage and Ravage was amazing as well.
4. The fighting sequences where they slowed the motion down looked so much better than the first movie.
5. The chase scene with Sideways and the Fembotcycles left me wanting more, but was visualy great as well with Sideswipe!
6. The interaction between Megatron and Starscream on the what I'm guessing is a Decepticon ship/asteriod? was what the first film was missing and I loved it! Spot on!
7. Some of the Tranformer designs were really interesting! Sideswipe, Ravage, The metallic pellits that turn into a paper thin desguise/robot.
8. I liked how the movie portrayed some of the Transformers unique abilities as did the original G1 cartoon had shown ie:Skywarps warping, Mirage disappearing, Hound with his holograms. Not all those where in the movie, but a few concepts were.
9. The idea of Sam's mind getting filled with the transformers knowlegde through the Allspark. Which I hope was do to some sort of radiation poisoning.

The Bad:
1. I couldn't believe my ears when I heard the amount of swearing! That was just plan wrong and inappropriate! Other more tastful words could have been chosen to achieve the same effect. I try not to swear at work, but never swear in front of children. This is meant to appeal to kids as well. Even out of Micheal bays own mouth "we're gonna make some kids dreams come true"!
2. Sam's room mate, his parents in the begining, Alice, and Makela towards the very end of the movie could have been cut because they served no real purpose. Sam's roomate did nothing but complain and cry. Sam's mom was plain over the top and seemed if she was ready for a divorse. Yes Megan Fox is nice to look at, but with multiple shots of her just running and running with nothing to do. I totally could have went without the whole if you tell a dead person you love them they come back to life bit.
3.How is it that the Ex-sector 7 agent Simmons shocks sam's roommate in the neck and he's walks out of the car in the very next scene?
4. Devastators testicles! WTF? That was too much! If I'm not mistaken there was only one crane making up devastator. So where did the other wrecking ball come from? Doesn't matter cuz we're talking about space robots! So does that mean robots have sex and they have evil robo sperm?
5. Way too much sexual reference! The dogs humping was fine the first time not the second. Even Wheelie humping Makela was fine, but ran a tad too long. The scene with Alice were it appeared as if there was a tenticle coming out from her butt was too much! Although Sam screaming like a girl was too funny. I think they could have saved the Pretenders for TF3.
6. The transformer gods brining Sam back to life was hard to chew and why wasn't Optimus there too. I mean they where all Primes right?
7. What was the deal with all the robot spit? I could see if after a transformer got killed or seriously hurt you got to see raw energon poor out would have been better.
8. MEGATRON ANSWERS TO NO ONE! I would have thought it to be better if Starscream were to use The Fallen to betray Megatrons leadership. Like having the old primes imprison The Fallen on Earth for his crime and Starscream releasing him. This would have to take place after Soundwave revives Megatron (also IMO would have been better then the drone constructicons), but no we get Starwars instead with Megatron as Darth Vader.

So all in all the visuals where fantasic. Alot of the G1 references were great. The story as a whole just sucked. Too much was squezed in and could have been saved for the next film to make room for explinations. Like I said in the begining. There is a great story to be told but the writers were on strike! I just hope if there is a TF3 that they don't do like what was done for Spiderman 3 and just try to squeze whatever money we have left for a half thought out moving picture sequel!

[Primus C-00]

Children are way too smart for this movie, I mean really the only child I could ever concieve of showing this film to is a potty mouthed, sexist thug.

[Primus C-00]

Children are way too smart for this movie, I mean really the only child I could ever concieve of showing this film to is a potty mouthed, sexist thug.

I guess that's why it will be a hit in the Americas...

[Autobot Snake Eyes]

I thought the story was REALLY cool. The Robot designs were great, along with the overall concepts of the bots. Especially the Pretender! Are we going to see a toy of her? sorry, There may have been news about one, but I have not been on theseboards for a REALLY long time now, I have been obsessed with the Alien and Predator movies, and have been posting on a message board about them. Also, I loved how the Decepticons ACTUALLY TALKED! It was so refreshing to see Megs get pissed at Screamer and bet the snot out of him a few times....
Totally gonna buy it for my collection....

[dragons]

to late to edit my post heres new one i notice arcee died the 2 bikes i ddint see the third bike killed off either way ill go see it again to see if i can catch the third one killed off

[SoooTrypticon]

I'd like to kick this off by saying that I'm both a film-maker and a fan. I work in the animation industry as a story artist and designer. My very first transformer was Sky Lynx, who my parents saved up for and got me one Christmas. As a little kid I would pour over the art on the back of his box- a vivid space battle between monster robots- and imagine what they were saying. I carried around the "Transformer Map" as I called it, which was really just the fold out catalog that came with the toy. I always wanted Trypticon, so he could battle Sky Lynx, and maybe they could become comrades in the battle against Skeletor... Never got Trypticon though. My most recent purchase was Animated Blackarachnia.

Transformers has a long and bizarre history- one that has recently come to a head as the Robots we love breached the mainstream and got their own big budget feature film.

And it bums me out.

Not since "Carbombya," (http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Socialist_Democratic_Federated_Republic_of_Carbombya) has Transformers reached such an all time low. (Well, maybe Kiss Players bridged that gap).

Instead of opening a rich and varied "mythology" to people unfamiliar with the franchise, the movies have set a standard of fast, loud, and dumb.

It's not that the various TF cartoons or comics haven't had their share of the same- but so have Batman, Superman, and Spiderman. And yet they all got films that surpass the Transformer films in almost every aspect, the major difference being explosions.

But like their Super Hero counterparts, the Transformers have had their share of terrific story-lines and characters.

What about the Marvel series- early on when Ratchet is the last Autobot left, and he alone has to strike a deal with Megatron? He was a great character- amazed by trees- a type of life he never dreamed of on Cybertron. In those same comics we also follow the origin of Circuit Breaker- a pretty nasty turn from technician to robot hating killer.

See, humans and robots, treated with smarts, about to embark on cool adventures. Ratchet travels to a jungle hidden in the North Pole, and Circuit Breaker ends the Decepticon civil war by blasting Shockwave.

How about Beastwars? I remember them. I thought it was the end of Transformers, and instead it became one of the most enduring narratives in the franchise. While it had its share of "energon farts," it also had the exchanges between Dinobot and Rattrap, Megatron's master plan, and Blackarachnia's warming up to Silverbolt.

Over the years Transformers have had a slow but steady climb from a hodge-podge of import toys, cobbled from various lines- to a complex (and sometimes confusing) history with a surprising amount of humanity.

And now the movies are here.

The films may be simple, or perhaps they're better "with your brain turned off," but somehow I just feel like they set Transformers, and the community, back a few decades.

I think it's safe to say that both films are light on character and plot. We do get a bunch of action.

In no particular order, we also get:

-Dog sex jokes.
-Wrecking ball testicles.
-Weak or non-existant female characters.
-A robot with a gun for a penis.
-Robot pee.
-Jockstrap jokes.
-Bizarre portrayals of race and culture.
-Character threads that leave portions of the cast missing by the end of the film(s).
-Pot brownies.
-A transformer with a gold tooth.

As a community, I think we could be a bit more discerning about what we support. When you imagined a Transformers film (and I know you all have), were these the things you thought of?

Wouldn't it be nice to favorably compare a Transformers movie to The Dark Knight rather than Batman and Robin?

We have a cool community, dedicated to an awesome series of toys, comics, and shows. Do the movies really measure up to the level of quality the franchise has been building to for the last 25 years?

[inkdup]

I'll keep this short as I am sure I will get hit with a barrage of hate-posts for this...

I have been a fan since the beginning of the cartoon series... I have passed my love/appreciation for transformers on to my son.

that being said...

I thought the first movie was great as was the one im PAYING for today due to lack of sleep(1201 IMAX showing and had to at work @ 6am)

What people seem to forget is that it's a MOVIE... and its not 1986 anymore... I see so many gripe about not staying true to G1 but if they did we'd have a bunch of crap ass F15's flying around, LIME GREEN construction vehicles, and a decepticon leader that inexplicably goes from a giant robot to a hand gun... I personally think that MB did a great job on both films and has given many parents such as myself a gateway to share something that you loved as a kid with your kids now...(my son saw TF1 and then became interested in G1 and loves both) my son is 4 and has an appreciation and love for something that I have loved since i was his age... some people take the whole plot/staying true to G1 thing WAYYYY too serious... if you want G1 watch it... its 2009 and 25 years after I started appreciating the battle between Meg's and OP they are still around and still kickin ass... if you think you can do a better job..THEN DONT TALK ABOUT IT..DO IT... until then appreciate that we have the nostalgia and the movies that we do and how bad ass it is to see Prime battle in IMAX... (ps if you havent seen it in IMAX DO SO!!)

late the hate mail begin...LOL... SO MUCH FOR KEEPING IT SHORT..HAHA..

OH AND ON A GOOD NOTE THEY HAD A TRIVIA CONTEST BEFORE THE MOVIE STARTED AND i WON AN OFFICIAL MOVIE POSTER (THE ONES THAT GO IN THE "LIGHT BOXES") MY SON WAS SUPER STOKED THIS MORNING TO SEE HIS PRESENT...

[inkdup]

Children are way too smart for this movie, I mean really the only child I could ever concieve of showing this film to is a potty mouthed, sexist thug.

I guess that's why it will be a hit in the Americas...

SO POT OR KETTLE...WHICH ARE YOU?? BECAUSE YOU JUST MADE A GENERALIZATION OF AMERICAN YOUTH... RIGHT AFTER SAYING ONLY A "potty mouthed, sexist thug" WOULDN'T BE SMART ENOUGH FOR THIS FILM. OH AND BY THE WAY DO THEY NOT TEACH I BEFORE E EXCEPT AFTER C WHERE YOU WENT TO SCHOOL?? JUST SAYIN'

[Cyber Bishop]

The movies are not geared towards the small percentage of collectors and original fans.
The movies are marketed towards the masses.

The 1986 movie was not the best of plot either and it was really just a big advertisement for the new toys but we love it (well some actually don't).
Don't get me wrong because I LOVE the old TV show BUT it was not the best written stories either. Some were good and some were poor.

The movies are what they are take it or leave it.
As a community all people can do is whine and bitch and what will it accomplish? NOTHING.
People whined and bitched after the first movie and what happened? They thought that the writers and those involved would make changes to appease them. The producers and writers made the movie THEY wanted to make to appeal to the MASSES.
It is all about the $$$. Would the movie do better with the Transformers fans paying to get in at the box office or the masses that outnumber us drastically paying.

The masses win out every time.

[SoooTrypticon]

The masses also went to go see The Dark Knight if I'm not mistaken. I think the filmmakers involved could have tried a little harder. The two films also have the same rating- so same demographic.

Cyber Bishop, by the by, did you delete my post, or move it? If so, could you stick it here at least? I don't see it in your reply...

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Nevermind, spotted it. Sorry.

[novaBung0307]

wow i saw it with a big group of people last night, the theatre was packed there wasn't a single seat left open, "except one dude who was sporting a G1 T-shirt who left half an hour into the movie" I personally loved the first movie and it WAS my favorite movie ever until last night and now my favorite movie ever made is now TF:ROTF, the movie gave me that feeling that i was a little kid again on saturday morning only with more adult concepts like love and oh yeah DEATH u know the inevitable thing that even the most die hard nerd will face weather u think so or not, and yes even transformers die, if there was nothing FINAL what would be the point of a movie trying to convey that no matter what happens u can always come back to life... that's just unrealistic and well realistic is what they wanted to aim for, also this is an entirely new universe of its own and the characters and humor is going to be different, ITS NOT 1986 ANYMORE! the only disappointment was getting on and seeing a bunch of people whining because its not what they remembered in the 80's im 18 and even though i didnt grow up with G1 transformers is every part of my childhood as the next guy, but i don't whine because Optimus isnt a guerrilla like i remember, i just think everyone needs to stop hating on this movie because its not the way THEY wanted it to be and start being a real transformers fan and appreciate it what it is, TRANSFORMERS

[Cyber Bishop]

The masses also went to go see The Dark Knight if I'm not mistaken. I think the filmmakers involved could have tried a little harder. The two films also have the same rating- so same demographic.

Cyber Bishop, by the by, did you delete my post, or move it? If so, could you stick it here at least? I don't see it in your reply...

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Nevermind, spotted it. Sorry.

I did nothing.. Someone else has been moving threads..

[GetterDragun]

The two films also have the same rating- so same demographic.

What??? So your saying "Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants 2" has the same demographic as Transformers?

[SoooTrypticon]

No worries Cyber Bishop- I was just confused, haven't posted in a while and had a problem navigating.

What??? So your saying "Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants 2" has the same demographic as Transformers?

I think that's an unfair comparison. Dark Knight and Transformers share the same demographic of kids, families with older kids, older men and women, and people just entering the franchise. The shared rating between the two means that the film-makers expected a wide swath of people coming to see the film- the "masses" if you will.

Dark Knight was well written, well acted, and made a boat load of money.

Transformers could have easily done the same, and the film-makers chose not too. They chose to make instead an asinine, poorly plotted, borderline racist set of films that reflect the lowest common denominator in film-making taste.

And they will make money too.

So, what it comes down to, is that the people behind Transformers just didn't want to try that hard- because they knew they'd make the money anyhow.

Instead of shooting for the stars, they shot fish in a barrel.

[YRQRM0]

AWESOME Movie. The action was definately top notch, and the Starsream Megatron relationship scenes were perfection. Prime's characterization was also great. The only complaints are re-used footage, and the cloned animation. I wouldn't mind if they threw the extra constructicons in the far background, just to fill up space, but that cloned Overhaul had too many close ups and stuff.

And did anyne notice the return of Bonecrusher? That was pretty bothersome. I also expected more out of Devastator, after all that bragging about his complicality when it came to animation. I also was dissapointed he never made it to the presence of any autobots besides the twins.

My other complaint was too much humour. Leo's silly cries for help made Devastator's combo and a lot of other things seem more like a comedy scene than the awesome event they should have been. Especially Devastator's balls, that was unneccessary. It almost felt insulting..

Lastly Alice seemed too unrealistic. She got inside BB, an autobot, and got on top of Sam, and everything without any suspision (sp?).

I still enjoyed it though. It was Live Action Transformers after all.

[Grendel]

I liked the movie, wasn't expecting it to be perfect, but it was enteraining.

likes-
the designs for the arcee's (were they all named Arcee? i keep seeing images calling one Chromia, and one Elita)
i liked how right from the beginning, there were ransformers this time, the first quarter of the movie wasn't all about Shia getting his new car
fight scenes were pretty cool, even if they got confusing at times, least they didn't shake the camera as much as the last film
Devastator was pretty kick-ass
I liked the idea behind the 'pretender', don't know though, kind of wish they went further with it, and given her an alt mode when she dropped the human disguise, rather than just "I transfrm...to a HUMAN!"
Wheelie didn't make me cringe
more Megatron, even got to see him and Starscream interact a bit,
finally had a Matrix in the movie
Ravage
and I honestly liked how they did Jetfire, least he was better than the twins

disliked-
the Twins, they were funny at first, then just got real stupid and annoying, would of preferred more scenes with Sideswipe and the motorcycles
still more scenes of humans rather than scenes of transformers, I know it costs alot to animate, but still..
Megatron acting subservient to the Fallen
and while we're on it, i wasn't too impressed with the fallen
what I previously said about the pretender
the kitchen bots
what happened to wheelie?
double constructicons, ones that formed Devastator, and ones that ran around at the same time he was eating everything, and fought

aside from that, pretty much not a bad action flick

[Autobobby1]

I saw it today and loved almost every second of it. I had three complaints about the first film--not enough robot screen time, not enough of Starscream, and some fight scenes were hard to make out. All three of these complaints were dealt with. I even ended up loving all of the new robots...except for the Fallen.

Things more like G1:
-The Transformers are not completely hidden (the Decepticons outright announce their presence)
-Both factions have bases
-Decepticons are seeking Energon
-The Matrix is wanted by the ultimate Decepticon who controls a resurrected Megatron
-Transformers have been on Earth for a long time
-Prime dies and is resurrected
-Soundwave and Ravage are present
-The Constructicons form Devastator
-All Transformers speak English (if at all)
-The conflict is more of an all-out war
-Transformers that turn into household objects are Decepticons (mostly, Wheelie becomes an exception)

My only complaints:
-Humping dogs...twice (wasn't funny the first time)
-Sexual content is easily tenfold that of the first film
-Sam an Mikaela are in love. We get it. Don't dwell on it so much!
-Jolt has no lines (maybe I missed his only line), is never seen fighting, and is only there to give Optimus Jetfire's parts
-Dr. Claw voice =/= Soundwave voice
-Devastator died pretty quickly
-Autobot deaths went unnoticed in the end
-Optimus's ending monologue is almost identical to the one from the first film
(Keep in mind that these complaints are minimal compared to my praise for the film.)

Also, let me address some concerns:
-Optimus is ruthless because the Decepticons wouldn't think twice about harming the Autobots and humans.
-Megatron serves no one? Technically that's right, since Galvatron is the one who was Unicron's bitch--that is, if semantics count that much to you. Otherwise, this is nothing new.
-Rampage was red so he wouldn't look like Bumblebee and confuse everyone during their fight.
-The Autobots are more badass because they've now had two years of training.

[Cyberjet #7]

Didn't like it at all. Reasons:

Dislikes:

- Prime and BB are the only ones who fight. Everyone else is just in the background shooting at things off screen. Ironhide and Arcee deserve better than this.

- Fallen seemed like a B-movie villian.

- Prime getting hosed in the forest. He should have won. There were two enemies that he trashed, did he really not think the thrid was behind him?

- Prime armor. He looked silly wearing a jet on his back. I thought it was silly when he said "Let's roll" and then took off flying. Flying does not equal rolling.

- At times it felt like an army recruitment video. Still too many humans saving the day. I get really bored with the same scenes and shots of the good old army boys loading up, talking tech and code, and clicking weapons into place. "Bring the rain" is the worst metaphor and is getting very old.

- Toilet humor. I just saw "Year One" and that had some good toilet humor, but you expect it. No one should expect the TFs to be so vulgar; Devy with balls, the Twins, etc.

- Robots aren't human. They should not cry, spit, or otherwise produce useless and theatrical liquids.

- Sam/Mikeala dialogue. It was more forced and poorly written than the lines in Indy KOTCS. I really don't care who says "I love you" first. That is the last thing I came to see a TF movie for.

- No TF character developement. I really don't feel like Bay cared about this one - he just wanted to blow stuff up. Arcee, Sideswipe, Ironhide, etc all just had one or two lines. WTF?

- Matrix. Next time call it something else. It had nothing to do with Leadership. It reminds me of the stupid Stan Bush "The Touch" remake that he thought had something to do with Sam. Yea, Stan - Sam doesn't have the touch or the power. He spent this movie and the last one whining and complaining about not wantng any part of this. He is no hero, just a kid, who in the right place, finally makes a good decision.

End rant. Thank you.

[Autobobby1]

- Prime and BB are the only ones who fight. Everyone else is just in the background shooting at things off screen. Ironhide and Arcee deserve better than this.

Sideswipe, the twins, and Ironhide had fights at one point or another.

- At times it felt like an army recruitment video. Still too many humans saving the day. I get really bored with the same scenes and shots of the good old army boys loading up, talking tech and code, and clicking weapons into place.

Right, because in real life the army would sit back and watch the giant alien robots destroy half of the major cities across the world in the crossfire of their giant war.

- Sam/Mikeala dialogue. It was more forced and poorly written than the lines in Indy KOTCS. I really don't care who says "I love you" first. That is the last thing I came to see a TF movie for.

Can't help but agree with you there. Most of it made me cringe.

- No TF character developement. I really don't feel like Bay cared about this one - he just wanted to blow stuff up. Arcee, Sideswipe, Ironhide, etc all just had one or two lines. WTF?

What about Bumblebee? At the beginning of the first film he was only guarding Sam because of the Allspark. The two have grown quite emotionally attached. Plus, Jetfire began as a Decepticon, and by the end he gave his life to help Optimus.

- Matrix. Next time call it something else. It had nothing to do with Leadership.

It belonged to the Primes, who were leaders.

[dryxler]

going to put my 2 cents in as a hardcore transfan.
i was kinda let down. but i still loved it. there were some problems with it that bugged me. the most glaring one was the language. the crude dialogue and humor was excessive and often unnecessary. seems like they consulted a group of 10 yr. old boys from detention to write the script.

other stuff-
-too many inconsistencies. mostly minor. some points i was thinking "where's Ratchet? Who is Jolt? Why is Bonecrusher there?"
-it makes sense now, but i don't like the idea of the multiple clone thing. seems cheap.
-i thought the plot went well, though. i'm happy the matrix was finally worked into the story.
-the fallen was a lil lame. and NOBODY is master to megatron. in the '86 movie Unicron struggled to harness glavatron's servitude. and Unicron is as big as a planet, and as powerful as a god. and now megs is bowing to a skinny guy who is a lil taller.
-i LOVED the pretender Alice. would be overjoyed to see a toy.
-thought jetfire was pretty cool too. couldn't understand some of what he said though.
-forest fight was SWEET!
-sideswipe was as cool as i wanted him to be, but too little screen time.
-the dialogue between starscream and megs was MUCH MUCH better than in the first movie. more like their G1 characters. i found myself wishing somebody would kill starscream.
-ravage and soundwave were also really cool, but it was a little disappointing soundwave didn't transform.
-where was barricade? hafta watch it again and focus.
-the doctor decepticon was really cool.
-i was disappointed that the biker girls didn't combine like i think the toys will. heard a blurb that Bay killed Arcee b/c he didn't like her, cut her from the first movie. i like her character alot. a waste of potential.
-overall, i did enjoy it, and i will see it more than twice again. biggest gripe is the language. i swear myself more than i should and i am difficult to offend, yet i felt like Bay went overboard with it. not good at a movie which kids are flocking to see. there were tons of kids in the audience with their parents.
-and the characterization needed some sharpening. maybe too many spread across the movie to really focus like what was done with the autobots in the first movie.

i did love it.

BTW i have alot of the ROTF toys, and overall they are really nice. seem slightly more complex than the toys from the first movie. in the case of the Leader Class Prime, much more complex.;D
looking forward to part 3 now. unicron & dinobots & galvatron, i hope (and anticipate from an interview posted on seiberton.com)

[Jetstorm92210]

I only disliked 2 things about this movie: too much sex jokes and the introduction. Completely eliminates the possibility of a Beast Wars spin-off (or maybe not). I didn't dislike the scene involving Turturro's underwear because it was completely unexpected .