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Renne wrote:Oh honey. Even I recognise that that's sarcasm.
Seriously though, as per my previous comment, did you really, honestly, whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god think it was going to be a sequel on a par with Empire Strikes Back?
Kibble wrote:Adding to the amusing "why" theme...if only a Prime can kill The Fallen, why did it take Prime all of 8 seconds to kill this unstoppable force of evil? Couldn't say Bumblebee, who effortlessly took out Rampage and Ravage at the same time or tossed the Jar Jar twins (who were able to go toe to toe with Devastator) aside like rag dolls, have fought The Fallen for like 16 or 24 seconds and come out victorious? Even if powered up Prime is the biggest badass in all the universe, you would think if The Fallen were anywhere near force they were trying to build him up as, he would at least put up a bit of a fight...
Rock Sexton wrote:Renne wrote:I attribute all of the first one's success to Spielberg. In this one, Michael Bay remembered he was Michael Bay.
Steamed_Ham wrote:What did you find particularly Spielbergian in the first movie? If anything I thought this movie had more of his touch as the early scene where the appliances came to life reminded me of Gremlins, another film Spielberg produced but did not direct (and incidentally one of my favourites). At the end of the day robot urine in no more Spielbergish than robot testicles.
Rodimus Prime wrote:I completely agree. There is no such thing as a perfect movie. Especially in the sci-fi genre, where a certain suspension of disbelief is required. However, RotF was an action movie like I haven't seen in a long time, probably since Bad Boys 2 or The Rock. (Yeah, both Bay flicks. Bay=action) The story of RotF ind retrospect was mediocre at best. The concept was good, but the writers failed miserably in developing it. It was just thrown together, and Bay did his best to try to cover up the glaring plotholes with as much flash and boom as possible. Whether that's his fault or not, I'm not sure. He is the director, and is listed as an executive producer, so he should have some final say, but I imagine he can be overruled by Spielberg.
Bottom line, I went to see it 4 times in 1 week because of the top notch action, galore of TF asskicking, and the complete redemption of Bumblebee from a waste of screen time in the cartoon to a badass fighting machine in the 2 movies. Also, great improvement on Optimus Prime. He's always been a bit soft in my book, and I was so happy to see him step up and put a beating on the Cons. I don't agree at all about him losing his compassion. He did what he had to do to protect Sam. Overall, great action trumps mediocre story in a summer popcorn flick, so this was a very good movie.
Rock Sexton wrote:
Spielberg showed ZERO influence on this film.
It's quite clear, the action was all you cared about.
Counterpunch wrote:Phenotype wrote:Sorry buck-o, that's not how it works. This is a public forum and I have just as much right to post here as you.
Don't bait with the 'buck-o' stuff. The line is being pushed.wingdarkness wrote:I think I understand why you guys love it…
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Am I missing anything?
Samething here, but you're establishing a pattern of backhanded insulting speech.
Issues may be addressed. Any more personal attacking/baiting and I'm just dropping infractions into your account. EDIT: I mean any and everyone, not just as a result of these issues above.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Yes, unfortunately, that's true.
Also true. After the first film, I did not expect too much story wise, and was not disappointed. But the action was unbelievable. I came away from that movie upbeat, happy, and feeling good all 4 times. I had FUN. I like G1 more than any other continuity, but I don't nitpick the movie to death. It had major flaws, yes. Some people cannot look past that. I can. And that made me able to enjoy 2 1/2 hours of a rollercoaster ride.
In the end, all of the people who saw it and can't get over the mistakes in the movie, you are depriving yourselves of 2 1/2 hours and whatever money your ticket cost. Did you expect an Oscar worthy movie going in? IT'S MICHAEL BAY.
You say it's not a mark of a very good movie, and you're entitled to your opinion. My opinion is, for what it was advertised as and what its predecessor was, it definitely is a good movie. It surpassed the first film in action and humor, and paralleled it in story. I enjoyed it 4 times over, and though the story had room to grow as well as the characters, as a Transformers fan, I do not consider this a failure.
Rock Sexton wrote: Unfortunately Stevie took a step back and Michael went wild like a dog loose in the house while his master is away........or the class clown after snorting some blow in the bathroom during lunch.
The Transformers lore has a lot more depth to it than Bay is giving it credit for. I guess I'm just at that stage in life where some boobs, explosions, crude jokes, and blurry robots just don't leaving me drooling my seat.
oldskooltf wrote:(4) It was unclear how clones or transformers who look identical could happen -- like the multiple constructicons. (Having said that, they're were tons of Starscream/Skywarp/Thundercracker jets in Season 1 of the G1 cartoon and it didn't seem to bother too many people despite it not being explained.)
Rock Sexton wrote:Spielberg movies have souls. They're fun, cohesive, but not over the top complex. You never find the editing and pacing issues this one had. He also knows how to develop his characters. He lets you into their lives. Bay just goes, ok here they are you just better take my word for it as to why they are here in the first place.
Rock Sexton wrote:A Spielberg moment: In the first Transformers when Rachet suggests "The boys pheromone levels suggests he wants to mate with the girl". Now that is funny.
A Bay moment: The scene where they're talking about standing under the enemy's scrotum as you see two wrecking ball testicles under Devastator.
Predaprince wrote:This is a movie that was given plenty of time to be worked on and edited and Bay didn't give a cr@p to edit it in the least.
Predaprince wrote:oldskooltf wrote:(4) It was unclear how clones or transformers who look identical could happen -- like the multiple constructicons. (Having said that, they're were tons of Starscream/Skywarp/Thundercracker jets in Season 1 of the G1 cartoon and it didn't seem to bother too many people despite it not being explained.)
That is true, but with good justification in G1. The animation for the G1 cartoon was done by different animation studios, some of which were located in Japan, where the animators were just told what to draw and had no actual information of the show or its characters. Therefore, it is very easy to accidentally color a robot the wrong way.
This is a movie that was given plenty of time to be worked on and edited and Bay didn't give a cr@p to edit it in the least.
Steamed_Ham wrote:The first one was kind of the same though wasn't it? I mean, OK, the robot characters were better established for viewer who had never heard of TF before, but then it kind of had to appeal to a broad cross-section. Nonetheless, I don't think the first was a well paced film, and was prone to frantic excess too. For one thing the Autobots were turned into comic relief way too soon, pretty much straight after they've been discovered they have to hide outside the house (OK, that admittedly is an obvious E.T. Spielberg touch, but not an apt one). It turns them into comic relief before they've been established as serious characters! And don't even get me started on the Indian phone operator!
Well I can't remember a Spielberg moment like that in any of his actual films, and to be honest I find both of those moments equally funny, which is not at all. But I understand your point.
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