The Energon Pub

[ScottyP]

A good comparison would be original Gundam to Gundam SEED. Gundam SEED took a lot of elements and basic plotlines for the first half of the show from the original series(though it did have more than a few divergences), but was overall met with a resounding kinda meh by fans. Why? Well, fans had more or less seen it all before, and it didn't engage fans the same way the original Gundam did. The second half was better received, because it introduced a lot of new ideas and plot points that didn't mirror the original Gundam as much.

This is a fantastic comparison. The first couple arcs of SEED were good, but it was essentially Mobile Suit Gundam 0079: The Retold Modern Version with Shinier Gundams. Once they figured out you can nod to tradition while telling a new story, it got much, much better.

In my humble opinion, the IDW books have become the "G1 Comeback" you're looking for CombaticonsCombine. There's a metric ton to catch up on if needed, but the first five years are worth the sometimes laborious trudge to get to the last three years which has been a damn golden age for TF comics.

I would love to see some of the stories from Autocracy, Monstrosity, AHM, MTMTE, and/or RiD animated into a movie still using that flush animation as in the comics.

Oh hell yes. This.

[TurboMMaster]

All the known generations in chronological order:

1. Generation 1 (1984-1992)

2. Generation 2 (1992-1995)

3. The Beast Era (1996-2001)

4. The Unicron Trilogy (2002-2006)

5. From 2007 onward, it's hard to tell where the fifth one ends and where the sixth one begins, or even if the fifth one has even come to its end yet, since we've been going from 2007 to the present with movie after movie plus additional series on the side of and in between each of them, such as Animated, Universe, Generations (which itself has undergone various phases on its own), Power Core Combiners, Prime First Edition, Prime Robots in Disguise, Prime Beast Hunters, and soon the upcoming new Robots in Disguise line in 2015.

You forgot about Robot in Disguise. It wasn't a part of UT. Maybe it's a 4th Generation alonside Beast Wars II and Neo?

[Sabrblade]

You forgot about Robot in Disguise. It wasn't a part of UT. Maybe it's a 4th Generation alonside Beast Wars II and Neo?

I lumped it in with the Beast Era since its new mold toys used mostly the same kind of engineering as the toys of that era. Not to mention its retaining of the faction from the Beast Era.

[Shadowman]

You forgot about Robot in Disguise. It wasn't a part of UT. Maybe it's a 4th Generation alonside Beast Wars II and Neo?

I lumped it in with the Beast Era since its new mold toys used mostly the same kind of engineering as the toys of that era. Not to mention its retaining of the faction from the Beast Era.

Even though the Predacons are from well before the Beast Era?

[MightyMagnus78]

I'd like to see some of the Japanese G1 cartoons remade, Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory for example.

[Sabrblade]

You forgot about Robot in Disguise. It wasn't a part of UT. Maybe it's a 4th Generation alonside Beast Wars II and Neo?

I lumped it in with the Beast Era since its new mold toys used mostly the same kind of engineering as the toys of that era. Not to mention its retaining of the faction from the Beast Era.

Even though the Predacons are from well before the Beast Era?

Those Predacons you're thinking of are from the faction. The ones from the Beast Era and RID are Predacons.

[Shadowman]

You forgot about Robot in Disguise. It wasn't a part of UT. Maybe it's a 4th Generation alonside Beast Wars II and Neo?

I lumped it in with the Beast Era since its new mold toys used mostly the same kind of engineering as the toys of that era. Not to mention its retaining of the faction from the Beast Era.

Even though the Predacons are from well before the Beast Era?

Those Predacons you're thinking of are from the faction. The ones from the Beast Era and RID are Predacons.

So what you're saying is, because RID had Predacons, it has to be lumped together with the Beast Era. But then shouldn't we lump every series with Autobots or Decepticons in with G1, if that were the case?

[Sabrblade]

You forgot about Robot in Disguise. It wasn't a part of UT. Maybe it's a 4th Generation alonside Beast Wars II and Neo?

I lumped it in with the Beast Era since its new mold toys used mostly the same kind of engineering as the toys of that era. Not to mention its retaining of the faction from the Beast Era.

Even though the Predacons are from well before the Beast Era?

Those Predacons you're thinking of are from the faction. The ones from the Beast Era and RID are Predacons.

So what you're saying is, because RID had Predacons, it has to be lumped together with the Beast Era. But then shouldn't we lump every series with Autobots or Decepticons in with G1, if that were the case?

Did you just completely ignore the entire first sentence of the first post of mine that you quoted?

[Shadowman]

You forgot about Robot in Disguise. It wasn't a part of UT. Maybe it's a 4th Generation alonside Beast Wars II and Neo?

I lumped it in with the Beast Era since its new mold toys used mostly the same kind of engineering as the toys of that era. Not to mention its retaining of the faction from the Beast Era.

Even though the Predacons are from well before the Beast Era?

Those Predacons you're thinking of are from the faction. The ones from the Beast Era and RID are Predacons.

So what you're saying is, because RID had Predacons, it has to be lumped together with the Beast Era. But then shouldn't we lump every series with Autobots or Decepticons in with G1, if that were the case?

Did you just completely ignore the entire first sentence of the first post of mine that you quoted?

Yes, I did, because that's a silly reason to lump two totally unrelated series together.

[Sabrblade]

Yes, I did, because that's a silly reason to lump two totally unrelated series together.

Not when Car Robots is as much G1 as the rest of the Beast Era. And the majority of the Predacon toy molds were Beast Era molds to begin with.

You seem to be only taking the fiction into account, rather than both the toys and the fiction together as I am.

[Shadowman]

Yes, I did, because that's a silly reason to lump two totally unrelated series together.

Not when Car Robots is as much G1 as the rest of the Beast Era. And the majority of the Predacon toy molds were Beast Era molds to begin with.

You seem to be only taking the fiction into account, rather than both the toys and the fiction together as I am.

They also reused a number of molds from G1 and G2. Like the Decepticons, the Spy Changers, Fortress Maximus. Hence why I said it was a silly reason.

So if you have a reason for RID being part of the Beast Era, that can't also be used to make RID part of G1, then please, I'd love to hear it.

[shajaki]

*ahem*

G1 predacons = subgroup

BW predacons = faction

[Shadowman]

*ahem*

G1 predacons = subgroup

BW predacons = faction

G1 Decepticons = Faction

RID Decepticons = Subgroup

What's your point?

[Sabrblade]

They also reused a number of molds from G1 and G2.

So did Beast Wars II, yet that line was unquestionably not part of the G1 or G2 eras.

So if you have a reason for RID being part of the Beast Era, that can't also be used to make RID part of G1, then please, I'd love to hear it.

How about the fact that G1 era ended in 1992 when it was replaced by the era of Generation 2? And that Car Robots/RID didn't exist until long after that era was over in 2000/2001, which was the tail end of the Beast Era's reign right before the era of the Unicron Trilogy? And that it came about in the same manner as Beast Wars II and Neo with Japan needing a third filler line until the next big thing would come later? And that all of its original molds are essentially a continuation of the same engineering that went into the Beast Wars Neo, Transmetal, and Transmetal 2 molds? And that the Destrongers are basically the same kind of Destrons as the Destrons instead of the Destrons?

[Shadowman]

They also reused a number of molds from G1 and G2.

So did Beast Wars II, yet that line was unquestionably not part of the G1 or G2 eras.

So if you have a reason for RID being part of the Beast Era, that can't also be used to make RID part of G1, then please, I'd love to hear it.

How about the fact that G1 era ended in 1992 when it was replaced by the era of Generation 2? And that Car Robots/RID didn't exist until long after that era was over in 2000/2001, which was the tail end of the Beast Era's reign right before the era of the Unicron Trilogy? And that it came about in the same manner as Beast Wars II and Neo with Japan needing a third filler line until the next big thing would come later? And that all of its original molds are essentially a continuation of the same engineering that went into the Beast Wars Neo, Transmetal, and Transmetal 2 molds? And that the Destrongers are basically the same kind of Destrons as the Destrons instead of the Destrons?

This right here? This is some serious straw-grasping.

[shajaki]

*ahem*

G1 predacons = subgroup

BW predacons = faction

G1 Decepticons = Faction

RID Decepticons = Subgroup

What's your point?

i foolishly thought i could put an end to the essay long bickering posts. the predacon thing was the original argument was it not? wait... dont answer that. i dont care.

[kaijuguy19]

I think if Hasbro will let it happen we could get Direct to DVD movies about some unexplored parts of the original G1 timeline like how the Autobots and Decepticons transitioned to Maximals and PRedacons and the end of the Great War.

[Shadowman]

I think if Hasbro will let it happen we could get Direct to DVD movies about some unexplored parts of the original G1 timeline like how the Autobots and Decepticons transitioned to Maximals and PRedacons and the end of the Great War.

They already did that in comics.

[Sabrblade]

Yeah, I don't get folks sometimes. If people want to see comic stories, why not just read the comics that the stories are in? Why does everything have to be in motion picture form? It's not like motion pictures are like some sort of superior form of media that must dominate over all others.

[ctrlFrequency]

Yeah, I don't get folks sometimes. If people want to see comic stories, why not just read the comics that the stories are in? Why does everything have to be in motion picture form? It's not like motion pictures are like some sort of superior form of media that must dominate over all others.

It could be the dialog. There's something... let's say magical... about the words being spoken. The take on it by the actor/director might be different than yours.
Also it can make it feel more like it's come to life.

At least that's my theories.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Do kids these days know what Optimus turned into originally? Probably not. This show would teach them.

most kids would answer "a truck".
and that would be right since the optimus primes of that last few series, movies included, turned into trucks.
As a matter of fact, outside of the "beast" shows and maybe the playschool. show, Optimus has always been a truck.

so how would this show teach them anything about that?

[fenrir72]

Yeah, I don't get folks sometimes. If people want to see comic stories, why not just read the comics that the stories are in? Why does everything have to be in motion picture form? It's not like motion pictures are like some sort of superior form of media that must dominate over all others.

It could be the dialog. There's something... let's say magical... about the words being spoken. The take on it by the actor/director might be different than yours.
Also it can make it feel more like it's come to life.

At least that's my theories.

Wally Burr and the actors involved back then were amazing! Great characterization, so natural that they really gave the 'bots personality that we really believed the toys were actual "people"

[Duke of Luns]

Do kids these days know what Optimus turned into originally? Probably not. This show would teach them.

most kids would answer "a truck".
and that would be right since the optimus primes of that last few series, movies included, turned into trucks.
As a matter of fact, outside of the "beast" shows and maybe the playschool. show, Optimus has always been a truck.

so how would this show teach them anything about that?

99% of the time you're right about him being a truck(excluding Beast Wars/Machines, and Rescue Bots, and clarifying a Cybertronian truck is a still a truck), but I can't resist mentioning the other 1%:

G2 Gobot Optimus Prime:



(There was also an auto-roller camo General Optimus Prime repaint, but it was a dump truck, so..)

Sports Label Convoy:

Alternity:

Protoform Movie Prime (technically not a truck):

Captimus Prime:

PlayStation Optimus Prime:

[PrymeStriker]

At the original idea of this thread:

I think G1 needs to be put to rest already. We seem to get over every other installment of Transformers except G1. Third-party companies obsess over the goddamn thing. Whenever something new comes out, G1 is the thing its always compared to. I believe the number of nostalgia trips you can have on one topic is finite, but it seems we can't get enough. I understand why it's such a recurring theme, but it's extremely irritating.

Basically, hell no.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

99% of the time you're right about him being a truck.......................

let me start by saying thanks for some of those pics, some were new to me

no on to my reply...........I thought by saying "movies" and "shows" it would be enough of a qualifier for everyone to understand what I meant by the word SERIES was A CARTOON SHOW SERIES.

guess I wasnt clear enough......
let me be clearer
since this thread was about a possible new cartoon, I was useing "series" in that context.
SO JUST TO REITERATE...

Do kids these days know what Optimus turned into originally? Probably not. This show would teach them.

"most kids would answer "a truck".
and that would be right since the optimus primes of that last few [CARTOON] series, movies included, turned into trucks.
As a matter of fact, outside of the "beast" shows and maybe the playschool show, Optimus has always been a truck.

so how would this show teach them anything about that?"