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I shall now speak the name which shalt not be spoken....for in it's essence it sparks outrage and fear of what might and may be.....



UNICRON



Thats right, I want Unicron. I'm serious if anyone out there has a pair of D-Class Wrecking Balls to take on the ominous task of Unicron. If the new director on this franchise is looking for a way to one-up Bay in explosions....a Giant Planet Eating Robot is a pretty good way to go about that.
~Josh

Master Renegade wrote:Okay, there's so much her to respond to that I'm not even going to bother quoting.

That said, to whoever said I took you out of context, I went back and looked again, and your addendum didn't do anything to clarify things for me. It simply served to reinforce what I took away from what I quoted.

So basically, you're right, everyone else is wrong.

No point reading the rest of your post then.

Joshua Vallse wrote:I shall now speak the name which shalt not be spoken....for in it's essence it sparks outrage and fear of what might and may be.....



UNICRON



Thats right, I want Unicron. I'm serious if anyone out there has a pair of D-Class Wrecking Balls to take on the ominous task of Unicron. If the new director on this franchise is looking for a way to one-up Bay in explosions....a Giant Planet Eating Robot is a pretty good way to go about that.
~Josh

*LMAO*
This is my fear.
If it's appropriate to be anxious about things, I'm anxious about the idea that a TF trilogy, topped off with a TF4 featuring Unicron, may cause difficulties in the decision to reboot the films if the next set is intended to be capped off with Unicron again.Chances are the rebooted series will either be phenomenal with something other than Unicron, The same old same old with a new gloss, or abandoned, or a hairy crossover, theoretically with GI Joe, which I for one...nope.

I wasn't a Seibertronian then, but unless I'm wrong, Unicron was intended for TF2, but got avoided because the Fantastic 4 sequel was aiming at a planet sized villain as well. For me, that's the hand of God nudging Transformers along to a TF3 and TF4 that MAY otherwise never have been.

For the record, I want Unicron too,(they're crazy if they don't feature him!) and I'm not ignoring Bays contribution to the Franchise (as well as the thousands? of people who helped him, sometimes defying him). I would just like to see more directors and writers give to the new waves of TF fans (obviously and the old as well) before the Unicron storyline POTENTIALLY shuts it all down for a very long time.

Autobot Smoketreader wrote:Hello to all.

The subject is: "If a TF fan is busting to tell the TF moviemakers something about his feeling towards THE FUTURE of the TF movieverse, and the chance was given via the direct question "how do you think we (the moviemakers, without you) should do something?", what would you say to them in response?

I, who don't want a reboot in the Movieverse, am rebooting my thread. Take it as poetic justice.*LOL*

The original question is in regards to your "feeling(s) towards the future of the Movieverse".Some people forgot to address it, or else it was lost in the long title post.I wasn't intending on another Bash-Fest.It's been done.I wanted to take old ground and try getting constructive with it.

I appreciate all the responses so far.I mean it. Does anybody who forgot want to take their existing commentary and face it towards the future? Or forward something new? Or should we let this thread die.I don't mind killing it if it's gonna cause arguments.

SlyTF1 wrote:I'd tell them that these are the greatest movies ever conceived by the human race. And that they where my inspiration to become my own movie director! To make my own movies. And I'd tell Bay that his style of directing is where I got my inspiration from. And I'd tell them that anyone who thinks differently are underdeveloped, unevolved, assholes who only see what they want to see. Just sayin.

And by telling them this you would be doing them (as well as everyone who did, and didn't enjoy these movies) an injustice. Not because the movies were bad. Personally i kiked them both. But no matter how good something is, there's always room for improvment. Everyone wants the sequels to be better right? Well one gets better by reconising their faults and improving upon them.

Prime Riblet wrote:I think it is amazing that people expect to have every dream realized and every fantasy come to life with these movies. They are mainstream motion pictures. It has to sell a certain amount of tickets to be profitable and actually be made in the first place.

If I had a chance to speak with Michael Bay, in particular, I would actually tell him that I thought the 1st movie was great and it captured my imagination all over again. I would tell him that I thought RoTF could have been more entertaining for me personally, but it was a good movie overall. I would actually tell Mike that I think he did a good job of directing a few shows that have brought a major interest of mine to the general public, and I appreciate it.

I don't expect a movie to make all my dreams come true. If that was what I got, I would know that I was the only person that bought that ticket.......then I would wake up from my dream......and once again adapt to another day in a world that I am not the center of.

This about sums it up for me. Well said.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:I'd tell them that these are the greatest movies ever conceived by the human race. And that they where my inspiration to become my own movie director! To make my own movies. And I'd tell Bay that his style of directing is where I got my inspiration from. And I'd tell them that anyone who thinks differently are underdeveloped, unevolved, assholes who only see what they want to see. Just sayin.

And by telling them this you would be doing them (as well as everyone who did, and didn't enjoy these movies) an injustice. Not because the movies were bad. Personally i kiked them both. But no matter how good something is, there's always room for improvment. Everyone wants the sequels to be better right? Well one gets better by reconising their faults and improving upon them.

And I thought ROTF was a great sequel. I'd be willing to bet you that in ROTF if they had taken out the part where Simmons pulls down his pants, and cut out the second dog humping scene, and kept the extended version of the forest battle, the movie would be looked upon with as much respect by others than by me. Just change 3 simple 2 second scenes and I bet you, it would have been considered much better.

If I ever made a time machine, my soul purpose would be to go back in time and tell Bay to change that, so I wouldn't have to live with this BS all my life.

SlyTF1 wrote:If I ever made a time machine, my soul purpose would be to go back in time and tell Bay to change that, so I wouldn't have to live with this BS all my life.

Really? Those "Three 2 second scenes" are impacting on your life THAT much? Really?

Burn wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:If I ever made a time machine, my soul purpose would be to go back in time and tell Bay to change that, so I wouldn't have to live with this BS all my life.

Really? Those "Three 2 second scenes" are impacting on your life THAT much? Really?

Yeah. Every time I so much as mention that I like this movie, someone wants to kill me.

SlyTF1 wrote: And I thought ROTF was a great sequel. I'd be willing to bet you that in ROTF if they had taken out the part where Simmons pulls down his pants, and cut out the second dog humping scene, and kept the extended version of the forest battle, the movie would be looked upon with as much respect by others than by me. Just change 3 simple 2 second scenes and I bet you, it would have been considered much better..

First, i never said it was a bad sequel. In fact, i said that i like both movies. But ROTF was man made, thus not perfect. As you can see even you after thinking about it found a way (by your standards) to improve on the movie just a hair. And thats the whole point. You can like something and give constructive criticism at the same time.

SlyTF1 wrote:If I ever made a time machine, my soul purpose would be to go back in time and tell Bay to change that, so I wouldn't have to live with this BS all my life.

Look... I know your only 15, but you really need to put more thought into what you say. If you truly think that some complete strangers disagreeing with you on your thoughts about a movie with giant alien robots on the Internet is "BS", and that your going to have to deal with it all your life....
Then I'd hate to see how you react at your first day of work, or have to pay bills, get your first ticket, wife cheating, IRS troubles, putting food on the table for your family.. You know, real life problems.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:If I ever made a time machine, my soul purpose would be to go back in time and tell Bay to change that, so I wouldn't have to live with this BS all my life.

Look... I know your only 15, but you really need to put more thought into what you say. If you truly think that some complete strangers disagreeing with you on your thoughts about a movie with giant alien robots on the Internet is "BS", and that your going to have to deal with it all your life....
Then I'd hate to see how you react at your first day of work, or have to pay bills, get your first ticket, wife cheating, IRS troubles, putting food on the table for your family.. You know, real life problems.

That's what I'm afraid of.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Burn wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:If I ever made a time machine, my soul purpose would be to go back in time and tell Bay to change that, so I wouldn't have to live with this BS all my life.

Really? Those "Three 2 second scenes" are impacting on your life THAT much? Really?

Yeah. Every time I so much as mention that I like this movie, someone wants to kill me.

Yes, I know, they need to get over it. I bet I could create a topic right now- just for kicks- that was titled "Revenge of the Fallen is an Awesome Movie", people would blow up on me just from reading the title.
At the same time, you need to get over that they don't like it, and you can't change their minds. Just tell them they need to respect your opinions, instead of throwing a grenade back at them.

SlyTF1 wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:If I ever made a time machine, my soul purpose would be to go back in time and tell Bay to change that, so I wouldn't have to live with this BS all my life.

Look... I know your only 15, but you really need to put more thought into what you say. If you truly think that some complete strangers disagreeing with you on your thoughts about a movie with giant alien robots on the Internet is "BS", and that your going to have to deal with it all your life....
Then I'd hate to see how you react at your first day of work, or have to pay bills, get your first ticket, wife cheating, IRS troubles, putting food on the table for your family.. You know, real life problems.

That's what I'm afraid of.

I can agree that you (SlyTF1) need to put more thought into your wording instead of getting all worked up over some rubbish so and so said. I did...after various posts that started wars. But you can learn much from your mistakes. This is barely a problem...you won't have to deal with it all your life...everyone will forget the movieverse conflict once the toyline and comics end. As 5150 Cruiser said, you have better things to worry about. I have better things to worry about; I'm a year older than you are. That will probably kill any credibility I have, but you know...this is just petty stuff. Focus on your ambitions. I have a friend who doesn't, and I'm very worried about him.

As much as I hate to disrupt whats going on...I'm gonna attempt to get this thread back on track...
UNICRON!

Autobot Smoketreader wrote:*LMAO*
This is my fear.
If it's appropriate to be anxious about things, I'm anxious about the idea that a TF trilogy, topped off with a TF4 featuring Unicron, may cause difficulties in the decision to reboot the films if the next set is intended to be capped off with Unicron again.Chances are the rebooted series will either be phenomenal with something other than Unicron, The same old same old with a new gloss, or abandoned, or a hairy crossover, theoretically with GI Joe, which I for one...nope.

I wasn't a Seibertronian then, but unless I'm wrong, Unicron was intended for TF2, but got avoided because the Fantastic 4 sequel was aiming at a planet sized villain as well. For me, that's the hand of God nudging Transformers along to a TF3 and TF4 that MAY otherwise never have been.

For the record, I want Unicron too,(they're crazy if they don't feature him!) and I'm not ignoring Bays contribution to the Franchise (as well as the thousands? of people who helped him, sometimes defying him). I would just like to see more directors and writers give to the new waves of TF fans (obviously and the old as well) before the Unicron storyline POTENTIALLY shuts it all down for a very long time.

Don't know about the Fantastic Four issue, honestly I know alot of people at Hasbro and even some producers were all for Unicron really, it turned out to be Bays preffrence not to do Unicron...just cause he didn't want to which is about the extent of his reasoning with alot of things TF. In this reboot however, Unicron could be used as a larger story arc to span three films, or "thee" main plot for a final fourth film, it all depends on how one works things out.

I will list one other thing which may have people cheering or squirming....GIVE ME MY DINOBOTS!
And Reboot the constructicons..I need me an all out bout between Devastator and the Dinobots.

Plus, it would be nice to have a true combiner in a Transformers Film.

Joshua Vallse wrote:As much as I hate to disrupt whats going on...I'm gonna attempt to get this thread back on track...
UNICRON!

Don't know about the Fantastic Four issue, honestly I know alot of people at Hasbro and even some producers were all for Unicron really, it turned out to be Bays preffrence not to do Unicron...just cause he didn't want to which is about the extent of his reasoning with alot of things TF. In this reboot however, Unicron could be used as a larger story arc to span three films, or "thee" main plot for a final fourth film, it all depends on how one works things out.

I will list one other thing which may have people cheering or squirming....GIVE ME MY DINOBOTS!
And Reboot the constructicons..I need me an all out bout between Devastator and the Dinobots.

Plus, it would be nice to have a true combiner in a Transformers Film.

What I'd say:
OOoooooh!! Dinobots 2000! Fully articulated, Skeletoid Mechanoid Megadoozys with full plate armor plates shifting around from Bot mode to make for Dinosaur flesh!(Imagine every single vertebrae, neck, body & tail, twisting around for poseability!!!)

What I'd think:
What? 5 Dinobots?
Which Universe are we living in, Man?!?
300 Dinobots! (Not 2 moulds recolored 150 times each, mind you!) Guarding the gates of the Space bridge to Cybertron against the full might of the Decepticon Empire! Only the original G5 can survive, if you want to keep the "If all Fans dreams came true, it'd be a nightmare" crowd happy (which isn't the title questions' content but has become a main theme driver here, I remind anyone who didn't read the reboot post).

What I'd get mugged for mentioning: Going by existing Cybertronian ressurection technology, every 2 scrapped Dinobots would join into one new bigger one! Ouch!

Combiners? What I'd tell someone who asked me about combiners:
I have a lot of trouble imagining or promoting combiners in the movies after Devastators massive innefectiveness. Bruticus would be scary as a gladiator type constantly spawning and expending different weaponry, from Wrecking Balls a la Bulkhead to clouds of arrow-darts & anything in between.Mini-Bots a la Ravage could even be some of his projectiles (Imagine, Autobots A and B are shooting away at Bruticus. A javelin from Bruticus skewers Autobot A, then Transforms and starts attacking Autobot B. 1 shot, 2 down).Defenitely not a one-appearance character in my book! A fight scene like that could be stretched out as long as the Forest battle (in fact as long as half a movie!): as a disguised reboot it could easily whittle multiple trilogies of imported Autobots down to the starting number in TF1, especially if the rest of the Deceps back him up.Bruticus himself is the only combiner other than Superion whom I could envision actually strategically separating and then recombining just to run rings around his foes,and in the Movieverse, his number of members would be unlimited.

I don't know about Menasor looking or acting scary as the traditional version, especially after the Devastator look and the creepy new Megatron.Bay would have been the best to re-envision it into...uh...the Bayverse...

I would definitely want new-fans and non-fans to be shown the G1 idea of Defensors role- the Protectobots busy protecting Humans during any battle from collateral damage in the heart and the periphery of the main fight, ready to form into Defensor just in case too big a Decep group came their way.To tug on the audiences' heart strings, Defensor would be a good kill to convince them to hate some other combiner baddie,since he's the helper type and whatnot.

I've always felt that most Seibertronians' fave is Predaking. I was never his biggest fan, but I consider his original look the most "beautiful" of any combiner there has ever been.I reckon his most devoted fans would be a little dissappointed if he was beaten up with the ugly stick they used on Devastator.

I'd be very interested to see the moviemakers' take on Metroplex or fort Max.

meh, I kinda like the prospect of a massive invasion fleet for TF3 rather than Unicron.

I mean really, big huge planet turns up all set to devour the Earth.

The general public will be thinking "Death Star rip-off" or "they did something similar in the Fantastic Four movie".

Burn wrote:meh, I kinda like the prospect of a massive invasion fleet for TF3 rather than Unicron.

I mean really, big huge planet turns up all set to devour the Earth.

The general public will be thinking "Death Star rip-off" or "they did something similar in the Fantastic Four movie".

That crossed my mind too and I came to the exact same conclusion, especially about the Death Star ripoff.

Joshua Vallse wrote:Don't know about the Fantastic Four issue, honestly I know alot of people at Hasbro and even some producers were all for Unicron really, it turned out to be Bays preference not to do Unicron...just cause he didn't want to which is about the extent of his reasoning with alot of things TF.

To be honest, I'm with others that Unicron isn't the best of idea's. And if we truly do have Bay to thank/blame for this, then I'm cool with that. But to be honest, if it truly is up to Bay and Bay alone which characters are chosen for the films (which i strongly doubt he is the final say and not Hasbro) then i still don't think its fair to bash on him for those decisions. Preference is preference my friend. And its not fair to get upset at someone because their's differs from ours.

I'm with Burn though that a full scale invasions beats a planet eating bot any day of the weeks. For me it adds more possibilities. More conflict.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Joshua Vallse wrote:Don't know about the Fantastic Four issue, honestly I know alot of people at Hasbro and even some producers were all for Unicron really, it turned out to be Bays preference not to do Unicron...just cause he didn't want to which is about the extent of his reasoning with alot of things TF.

To be honest, I'm with others that Unicron isn't the best of idea's. And if we truly do have Bay to thank/blame for this, then I'm cool with that. But to be honest, if it truly is up to Bay and Bay alone which characters are chosen for the films (which i strongly doubt he is the final say and not Hasbro) then i still don't think its fair to bash on him for those decisions. Preference is preference my friend. And its not fair to get upset at someone because their's differs from ours.

I'm with Burn though that a full scale invasions beats a planet eating bot any day of the weeks. For me it adds more possibilities. More conflict.

I fully agree with all 3 of you- and others who have posted here as well for the most part (some tiny objections occasionally,but I'm hosting this thread so I have to try and stay neutral [or at least objective] in it).

And as such, there's the other side of it: Unicron is maybe the penultimate iconic Transformers name and event. As 'the fanbase',who want new people to learn about TFs in their fullest coolness, his appearance (as a Death Star try-out) shouldn't phase us too much, should it?-and also, since the movieverse has changed the look of the Matrix, it can change Unicrons' entire shape to disguise the Death star connotations. (should it, however?).

Beyond that, I still have the personal fear/concern that if Hasbro also view Unicron as the penultimate movie event, and a reboot as the penultimate movie direction, nobody will bother rebooting a series ending with Unicron if the next ends with Unicron again.(even tho there are save options, such as the Unicron cycle 'Second coming of Unicron', who is a moon of Cybertron rather than a wanderer from far away.

(Also, in the movies, why hasn't a fragment of the Allspark-cube, which can heal anything,not regrown itself into the Allspark-cube? I guess the physics involved are different than the Matrix transforming into dust,since all of the Matrix was still there-however, all of the Allspark is still there,too,isn't it?-it's just vaporized or carbonised and scattered throughout the atmosphere by now).

The Death Star destroyed planets.
Unicron eats planets.

Doesn't matter which way you look at it, people are going to compare the two.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Joshua Vallse wrote:Don't know about the Fantastic Four issue, honestly I know alot of people at Hasbro and even some producers were all for Unicron really, it turned out to be Bays preference not to do Unicron...just cause he didn't want to which is about the extent of his reasoning with alot of things TF.

To be honest, I'm with others that Unicron isn't the best of idea's. And if we truly do have Bay to thank/blame for this, then I'm cool with that. But to be honest, if it truly is up to Bay and Bay alone which characters are chosen for the films (which i strongly doubt he is the final say and not Hasbro) then i still don't think its fair to bash on him for those decisions. Preference is preference my friend. And its not fair to get upset at someone because their's differs from ours.

I'm with Burn though that a full scale invasions beats a planet eating bot any day of the weeks. For me it adds more possibilities. More conflict.

Who said anything about bashing? This was just a clarification as to any relation to Unicron's lack of development for TF2 as a result of FF4. I swear anyone says anything about Bay these days, it's like he's ready on the meat slab. Yeah I'm not out to make Bay a matyr, there's plenty of people here who do that just fine.

As for the Death Star reffrence....meh. I honestly really don't see it in that light at all, in fact I never even thought of it till brought up in this thread. It's a valid point, but I think that other then....they're both shaped like planets....thats where simularities end. I mean, Unicron doesn't have a small exhaust port on his alt mode surface that if fired upon will cause said robot to explode Unicron is Unicron, simple as that, he's a giant bot who eats...not shoots, eats planets. I haven't seen that done yet to date. At least not done yet right...the whole smoke tendril thing with Galactus..yeah not gonna count that. And I can assure you no one will reffrence anything to Fantastic Four ever..not even Marvel wants to save that franchise being they already cast Cris Evans (Human Torch) as the new Captain America..you know a movie is bad when it's shunned by it's own licence. The one thing I will agree on, is that Unicron is a franchise ending event, this means you save him for last...cause you really never get any bigger then Unicron.

I think alot of the apprehension people had with including Unicron in this current film franchise was simply, they didn't want Bay to have a shot at him. (You can include this as Bay bashing is you wish) Which is undertandable seeig his take on alot of Iconic "Formers" left various fans feeling kind of..meh. So I understand that completely, in fact I know there's a thread around here which dove into all this in more detail..I'm not going to dig it out.but it's floatin' around. However now that there's a reboot on the horizon, I'd say let em' (The new Production Team)have a shot. and now that that's been tucked away.....

DINOBOTS!

Joshua Vallse wrote:As for the Death Star reffrence....meh. I honestly really don't see it in that light at all, in fact I never even thought of it till brought up in this thread. It's a valid point, but I think that other then....they're both shaped like planets....thats where simularities end. I mean, Unicron doesn't have a small exhaust port on his alt mode surface that if fired upon will cause said robot to explode Unicron is Unicron, simple as that, he's a giant bot who eats...not shoots, eats planets.

You're thinking as a TF fan, not a member of the general movie going public who know bugger all about Transformers and just go for the boom booms.

Burn wrote:

Joshua Vallse wrote:As for the Death Star reffrence....meh. I honestly really don't see it in that light at all, in fact I never even thought of it till brought up in this thread. It's a valid point, but I think that other then....they're both shaped like planets....thats where simularities end. I mean, Unicron doesn't have a small exhaust port on his alt mode surface that if fired upon will cause said robot to explode Unicron is Unicron, simple as that, he's a giant bot who eats...not shoots, eats planets.

You're thinking as a TF fan, not a member of the general movie going public who know bugger all about Transformers and just go for the boom booms.

Tiss true, I do luv me some boom booms I must admit. But this brings up another point, we've all seen a planet destroyed, or "Thee Big Space Explosion" scene in any number of alien/sci fi films. Superman Had one, Star Wars had a few, the new Star Trek, even Independence Day and Star Gate have giant space explosions.....if they do decide to go with Unicron, and he does eat a planet...I think the best way to keep from comparison is to actually show the destruction from eating...and not just another random planet exploding. Meaning show the micro, not the macro...show the surface damage and all this malevolet destruction as the planet is chomped into. I think if you do this....you'll come away with something move visually distinct.

And now, Dinobots! I thinking personally the best way to execute a Dinobot is to do a triple changer, meanig give Grimlock a Dino Mode, as well as a vechicle mode. This ideal was thought up by someone else in the fan art thread I think, or maybe it was here too, but I think it would be a great ideal honestly. Unless you give the autobots a lair, a place to hide out, you need to give the dinobots a means to blend in or you'll just keep seeing dinobots roaming around every other day....hence the best way to combat that is a triple changer mode.

Joshua Vallse wrote:And now, Dinobots! I thinking personally the best way to execute a Dinobot is to do a triple changer, meanig give Grimlock a Dino Mode, as well as a vechicle mode. This ideal was thought up by someone else in the fan art thread I think, or maybe it was here too, but I think it would be a great ideal honestly. Unless you give the autobots a lair, a place to hide out, you need to give the dinobots a means to blend in or you'll just keep seeing dinobots roaming around every other day....hence the best way to combat that is a triple changer mode.

mY INITIAL IMPRESSION WOULD BE TO KILL YOU But after taking a deeeeeeeeeep breath and re-reading your words objectively, you're right. Dinobots with third vehicle Altmodes would help them rock up to every fight instead of have to get carted around. There IS the N.E.S.T jet,tho....can it lift 5 Dinobots? (Will they resist trashing it?).

If they create Dinobots with Bot modes that look like SkyLynx, I'll cry, then defect to GoBots fandom.

As for Unicron, and all the other posters who aren't ready to play around with Dinobot love just yet:I'm thinking he can't attack Earth in Bot mode- one swipe and he's demolished the crust and that'll frag the atmosphere,killing us all and ending the movie... unless he doesn't Transform (no point in that) it's most likely he'll have to attack Cybertron.It can survive a few swipes and then the populace can fight back.
Oh, wait...nobody lives on Cybertron anymore...and it's out of Energon...damned it's- not-a-G1-remake-plotholes....nothing but problems!

Autobot Smoketreader wrote:

Joshua Vallse wrote:And now, Dinobots! I thinking personally the best way to execute a Dinobot is to do a triple changer, meanig give Grimlock a Dino Mode, as well as a vechicle mode.

mY INITIAL IMPRESSION WOULD BE TO KILL YOU But after taking a deeeeeeeeeep breath and re-reading your words objectively, you're right. Dinobots with third vehicle Altmodes would help them rock up to every fight instead of have to get carted around. There IS the N.E.S.T jet,tho....can it lift 5 Dinobots? (Will they resist trashing it?).

If they create Dinobots with Bot modes that look like SkyLynx, I'll cry, then defect to GoBots fandom.

As for Unicron, and all the other posters who aren't ready to play around with Dinobot love just yet:I'm thinking he can't attack Earth in Bot mode- one swipe and he's demolished the crust and that'll frag the atmosphere,killing us all and ending the movie... unless he doesn't Transform (no point in that) it's most likely he'll have to attack Cybertron.It can survive a few swipes and then the populace can fight back.
Oh, wait...nobody lives on Cybertron anymore...and it's out of Energon...damned it's- not-a-G1-remake-plotholes....nothing but problems!

Ha ha ha, I understand Honestly if I were soley a Tf fan as well, I'd be right there with you. But you understand the problems with having Dinobots "just" be Dinobots, they need to be able to hold their own (Meaning get from place to place) or else I don't see the point. Another mode which allows them faster and easier transportation quickly rectifies this along with tons of other problems. As far as NEST and all that, I'm thinking clean slate reboot with this one, and Unicron, being it just frees up the writers and directors hands to do alot more without having to commit to what the previous story plots established and as you stated, plot holes in these current three films. Besides, I do think the Dinobots would tear that plane to shreds...absolute shreds. "If" they could even fit

As for Unicron, yeah no way he could ravage earth it simlply wouldn't survive. I figure we need two to three previous victims before he get to our little rock. One planet to consume in Planet Mode, one to Ravage in Bot mode, and finally get to earth which will then instigate an all out war in space. Good times to be had by all