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Jacob P. Galvatron wrote:I don't like it.
I liked Moonracer better.

They can't use Moonracer. It's trademarked. And so is Firestar, which is why they used Flareup instead.

I thought her name was supposed to be either Elita-one or Moonracer? Could Elita-one be the name of the sisters combined?

prowl123 wrote:I thought her name was supposed to be either Elita-one or Moonracer? Could Elita-one be the name of the sisters combined?

Now they're saying that the toys may not combine after all.

Sabrblade wrote:

prowl123 wrote:I thought her name was supposed to be either Elita-one or Moonracer? Could Elita-one be the name of the sisters combined?

Now they're saying that the toys may not combine after all.

The combination was mentioned in the novelization. The toys are/were supposed to be able to do it. It was, however, dropped from the film.

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

prowl123 wrote:I thought her name was supposed to be either Elita-one or Moonracer? Could Elita-one be the name of the sisters combined?

Now they're saying that the toys may not combine after all.

The combination was mentioned in the novelization. The toys are/were supposed to be able to do it. It was, however, dropped from the film.

That, I know. But this says otherwise:

TFormers.com wrote:Will they produce Flareup? They'll offer the 3rd eventually. But when she is released, there won't be instructions to combine her.

Sabrblade wrote:

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

prowl123 wrote:I thought her name was supposed to be either Elita-one or Moonracer? Could Elita-one be the name of the sisters combined?

Now they're saying that the toys may not combine after all.

The combination was mentioned in the novelization. The toys are/were supposed to be able to do it. It was, however, dropped from the film.

That, I know. But this says otherwise:

TFormers.com wrote:Will they produce Flareup? They'll offer the 3rd eventually. But when she is released, there won't be instructions to combine her.

But Chromia has an unused combination peg in her back, that's completely pointless in either mode. Arcee has one too, if I'm not mistaken. The combo might just be some kind of triple bike thing, not a whole new robot like people automatically think.

Well Id rather they just made Arcee a normal car like her G1 version for how confusing this all was. First shes too small as amotorcycle...then dont use a motorcyccle. (why a live action go-bots movie would be hilarious see a tiny Cy-kill fighting a 30 feet tall leader-1 heh.) Then we'll have them combined into 1 robot, but they seemed be unable make a decent solo robot mode, and a combined robot mode out of stuff in the live action series.

Why whole Devastator and Constructicons being seperate entities happened. The Jetfire-Prime fusion was more prime steal choice parts than a true fusion heh. (mind you Jetfire was just too huge to merged via armada style, as I pictured that looking rather dumb, so Im guessing why Prime only took a small amount of him.) Whole combiner idea doesnt seem be all its cracked up to be in the live action series.

Flare wrote:Ack Hemorrhoidal Autoflop! I'm actually offended seeing my name turned into something that sounds disgusting in fleshlings. And worst of all an Autobot?

@Mechastrike: Hey you mentioned that you knew in advance that the name "Flare Up" was going to be that purple Arcee bike. When did you first hear of the name? Did one of the writers decide to just come up with any name post-movie release after seeing me posting in the Seibertron.com forums? I'm really annoyed by this. If they did take the idea from me, I wish they would have at least kept the name: "Flare" and not make it sound repulsive.

"Flareup" has been around since 2005. And it is rather egotistical to think someone based a name on your screen-name.

I myself kinda like that name. Its new while trying to hold with the old

finally , well i guess its good she is dead

I'm planning to get all toys but they are kinda lame in their individual form so a combined form is much better. Does the three toys combined as advertised? Any pictures of it?

She's not red she's purple, and there's nothing wrong with the name, and no there arn't any pics of combined form yet

personally the arcee design from the first movie is way better than any of the motorcycle bots in rotf.... i dont know why they changed it

I like the ROTF cycle-sister designs there cute

tom brokaw wrote:personally the arcee design from the first movie is way better than any of the motorcycle bots in rotf.... i dont know why they changed it

My semi-educated guess? Sponsorship deals with the cycle manufacturers in question. I show the '07 film when I teach Mass Media to demonstrate all forms of product-placement, and my students really enjoy the 'scavenger hunt'--how many licensed products can you find in this five minute clip?' So, new sponsorship from the bike manufacturers, new designs.

HK, I do like a ducati. Strangely, all of MY bikes have been *boys*.

hellkitty wrote:

tom brokaw wrote:personally the arcee design from the first movie is way better than any of the motorcycle bots in rotf.... i dont know why they changed it

My semi-educated guess? Sponsorship deals with the cycle manufacturers in question. I show the '07 film when I teach Mass Media to demonstrate all forms of product-placement, and my students really enjoy the 'scavenger hunt'--how many licensed products can you find in this five minute clip?' So, new sponsorship from the bike manufacturers, new designs.

HK, I do like a ducati. Strangely, all of MY bikes have been *boys*.

I think he is talking about the fact that 07 Arcee was an actual humanoid design as opposed to something silly like it turned out to be. I really don't think he means the actual brand of motorbike. Just a guess.

dragons wrote:ill belive the name is true when i see the figure itself in package & the bio of the character as well

we will ALL have time to confirm the name and bio while it's shelf-warming itself next to chromia and wheelie..

and i agree, the earlier humanoid look from 07 movie arcee is better than.. whatever this is supposed to be...
would be ok with it if it was just an attack mode

yep. that bot mode is just silly.

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Jacob P. Galvatron wrote:I don't like it.
I liked Moonracer better.

They can't use Moonracer. It's trademarked. And so is Firestar, which is why they used Flareup instead.

Well, excuuuuuuuse me!

Prime Riblet wrote:I think he is talking about the fact that 07 Arcee was an actual humanoid design as opposed to something silly like it turned out to be. I really don't think he means the actual brand of motorbike. Just a guess.

I'm afraid I don't really see your point. Of course the change in manufacturer would open the door to a redesign. Say GMC pulled out of the deal, and so we had to find a new vehicle for Ironhide. Let's say, for the hell of it, and because I like kitsch, a VW Thing. You don't think they'd redesign his robot mode too? They'd have to, to get the vehicle parts to reflect the new vehicle mode. While doing that, why NOT tinker with other ideas as well?

As to why the cyclebots are non bipedal, why not? I actually think it's kind of a neat idea. Admit it: it's a WEIRD coincidence that all Cybertronians from the first movie just *happen* to be bipedal with bilateral symmetry in robot mode? I liked them stepping away from that with Demolishor, honestly--a robot that doesn't look like a wanna-be human. Why not with the cyclebots?

HK, or maybe it's just sexism. That's my standard fallback.

hellkitty wrote:

Prime Riblet wrote:I think he is talking about the fact that 07 Arcee was an actual humanoid design as opposed to something silly like it turned out to be. I really don't think he means the actual brand of motorbike. Just a guess.

I'm afraid I don't really see your point. Of course the change in manufacturer would open the door to a redesign. Say GMC pulled out of the deal, and so we had to find a new vehicle for Ironhide. Let's say, for the hell of it, and because I like kitsch, a VW Thing. You don't think they'd redesign his robot mode too? They'd have to, to get the vehicle parts to reflect the new vehicle mode. While doing that, why NOT tinker with other ideas as well?

Actually I'd kinda like to see this happen with a few characters, just to see what WOULD happen. Though we didn't get much change with Bee, that could be down to him just getting an upgraded vehicle mode really, the parts would all be similar I assume?

hellkitty wrote:As to why the cyclebots are non bipedal, why not? I actually think it's kind of a neat idea. Admit it: it's a WEIRD coincidence that all Cybertronians from the first movie just *happen* to be bipedal with bilateral symmetry in robot mode? I liked them stepping away from that with Demolishor, honestly--a robot that doesn't look like a wanna-be human. Why not with the cyclebots?

I totally agree with you! Are we, as a race, so arrogant that we believe all alien life forms should look like us?
Barely 10% of life on earth resemble humans (here meaning bipedal, four limbed, etc), I'm sure really that number is a lot lower but for the sake of it lets assume it's 10%. Why would the ratio be any different universe wide? Why would every Cybertronian resemble human kind? Are we saying humanoid design is BETTER than the speedy, manoeuvrable, flexible bodies the cycle bots have? Because, while they seem to lack fire-power (and screen time) the bike bots seem to do a lot better at chasing Sideways through those streets, buildings and alleyways than the rest of the team would have done. And they didn't tear up half the place doing so. Sideswipe only did so well because he's so damn good XD

hellkitty wrote:HK, or maybe it's just sexism. That's my standard fallback.

Easily one of your best sign off's yet XD

Well, I just picked up Arcee the other day.
My general thoughts are:
1) I appreciate, intellectually, the fact that she's not bipedal, lacks bilateral symmetry, and just in general is going with a less humanoid look
b) She looks gorgeous posed next to Chromia, be it in bike mode or robot mode, and not too shabby next to 2007 movie Arcee
gamma) She's not very fun. She really isn't posable or all that flexible, so you can't really "play" with her (says the 33 year old), just kind of pose her next to other figures, and leave her there
finally) Still not even coming close to how the three sisters will combine, based on these first two

By the way, anyone looking for more wheeled robotic fun, check out "Rideback." One of the most thoughtful, gorgeous, and underrated anime in a long time.

Still hoping for instructions that will show how will the 3 sisters combine, maybe into an attack form? Waiting on Flareup figure with my figers crossed.

shonenfan4 wrote:Still hoping for instructions that will show how will the 3 sisters combine, maybe into an attack form? Waiting on Flareup figure with my figers crossed.

I don't get why they're waiting so long to release her. Maybe, despite the concept art, they're still trying to come up with a transformation for her that would allow all three to combine?

hpfabe wrote:

shonenfan4 wrote:Still hoping for instructions that will show how will the 3 sisters combine, maybe into an attack form? Waiting on Flareup figure with my figers crossed.

I don't get why they're waiting so long to release her. Maybe, despite the concept art, they're still trying to come up with a transformation for her that would allow all three to combine?

That, or maybe Hasbro don't have enough "new molds" for a new wave to release along with her.