The Energon Pub

(taken from the Devestator thread, but what I have to say fits into this thread better)

Dark Zarak wrote:Who cares about that? That's the G1 cartoon. It has no baring on characters in general.


You're too hung up on G1. You assume he has to be called one thing, you assume he has to be one way, you assume characters have to transform into the same exact things.

Dark Zarak, you seem like a swift guy with lots of good ideas, and I agree with most things you say, but I can't seem to understand this one thing that keeps coming back to me...

You say that we shouldn't be "hung up" on G1 and that it has no bearings on character traits and personality, but then you've voiced your dislike for Arcee, saying she is not one of the "classic" characters, but by saying that you yourself are using G1 as a basis for your argument.

I do agree with you when you say that the movie is a "big deal" and that the classic characters should be able to shine again. And you're right, as much as I've grown tired of Ultra Magnus and the Constructicons, I see why they would be appropriate for the movie series. But to include only the "classic" characters is wrong in my opinion.

The first film was full of obscure and new characters (take Bonecrusher, a new fan favourite, and basically a new character with a classic name). You need a mix of both classic and obscure to keep things fresh. I understand you think the idea of a pink motorbike TF is stupid, but alot of people (myself included) think it's a great, fresh idea. I don't want the entire autobot cast to be cars and trucks... if you use your idea of the movie as a "big deal" with classic characters, then can't we have characters who are representative of a group of TFs? Can't Arcee be representative of both female TFs and bike TFs, assuring that the long history of bike and fembot TFs are, in one way or another, included in the "big deal" that is the movie? And if you prefer the classic characters, just have Arcee stand on the sideline like Ratchet or Jazz did in movie #1. Or have her die.

Don't get me wrong, I do agree with just about everything you've had to say, and I like your idea for the dinobot and I'm not trying to be mean in anyway. But you can't tell people to stop being hung up on G1, while disregarding obscure characters in favour of the classic characters who are only "classics" because of G1.

If every movie only includes the classic characters, we'll never be able to move forward and have new classics.

Thanks Skowl.

You're right that I'm pushing for classic G1 characters all the while telling people not to get hung up on it.


I guess the way I'm thinking is this:

Everyone I hang out with here at school remembers TF's but haven't played with them in decades now. They all thought that was Soundwave and not Frenzy, and it's easy to see why if you're not a fan. So I'm excited from the perspective of vicariously remembering TF's for the first time through my buddies who will all be saying "I remember that guy!" That's probably why I'm so gung ho on classic G1 characters.

But on the other hand, I see people say "You can't have this guy in it because specifically in the old G1 cartoon he was..." That to me "hung up" on G1 because now they're taking technicalities that wouldn't be a factor in the movie and using that as the only reason. It's like they are pushing for the their favorite only and see some of these classic characters as a threat to that, which may or may not be true, and grasping straws.

It just bugs me I guess, which is the real funny part considering that it's most likely a done deal anyway, and sooner or later someone will find a leaked script and we'll know who's in it.


And as for Arcee, I'm starting to come around on her. I was hating her for the same silly reasons that some of these people are hating my choices, so I don't really care one way or the other if she's there, just so long as she doesn't take away from other characters.

And I see your point on new classics. Maybe there will be no constructicons because Bonecrusher was already indicative of the whole group. I guess I really just want a combiner team of some sort, and I'd prefer it to be more constructicons. If they dig up another obscure micromaster and make him a major character, that's cool too I guess, especially if he resembles a classic like Blackout did with Vortex and Frenzy did with Soundwave.

i really want soundwave in the next one only if he has his uber cool voice

Time magazine (I think it was Time, either that or Life) did a poll on which Transformer the fans wanted to see most in TF2 and Soundwave came in #1. If they do include him, I really, really, REALLY hope they also include Ravage and Laserbeak. They could leave out Rumble (he's such a little punk ), but those two are a HUGE part of Soundwave's coolness factor!

Ravage is definately in order.

Ravage is my sons' favorite Transformer. If they do Soundwave without Ravage, I'll never hear the end of it. Those two boys can complain for hours... days... weeks!