The Energon Pub

[Unicron Singularity]

I like the new animation style Transformers used for Animated. (Kind of skeptical at the beginning, but getting quite used to it now)

[Saber Prime]

I mentioned earlier I don't really like the Animated Designs but they're still better than most of the movie designs.

Optimus Prime and Barricade are the two from the movie that are at least somewhat decent.

Allso I agree about the characterization. I can look passed crappy designs as long as the characters are good. But in Transformers Movie, I seen it in theaters, I seen it on DVD, and I still have no idea who most of the characters ever are. And by that I mean I know nothing about them.

Bumblebee was the one who was actully on screen for allmost the entire movie, no one else really appears till the end and get no characterization. I honestly don't even know who on the Decepticon died and who survived even because the designs made it impossible to follow the action sequences. Everyone looks alike, like walking piles of trash.

Jazz's death was really clear and he even got so little screen time that I didn't care when he died. If that had been G1 Jazz then I would have actully cared about him because I know that Jazz. Movie Jazz, who the hell is he?

You look at Transformers Animated, the Decepticons in that short little segment they were seen in the pilot had more characterization than the Decepticons in that entire movie.

I can tell you little things about the Animated Decepticons right now like Lugnut is the mindlessly loyal one, Blitzwing is freaking insaine, Blackarachnia has an organic mold, and Starscream is a back stabbing traitor. Movie Decepticons, Frenzy is freaking insain but in a copletly different way, Barricade?, Bonecrusher?, Blackout?, Brawl?, Starscream?, I don't know a single damn thing about any of them. They just kinda appear and start blowing stuff up. I never seen any of his other movies but I'm guessing from what I've heard of him that's typical for Micheal Bay, lets not tell a good story, insted we'll just blow stuff up.

(And if you're wondering the only reason I saw the movie in theater and on DVD is because I didn't pay for either one. I saw it with friends and family.)

Honestly, the Animated Designs really aren't that bad, it's the animation styal. If you just redrew the same designs but in a more G1 styal they'd look great. And what I mean by more G1 is simply to make everything proportinate. Draw Starscreams head without the Jay Lenno chin and his head is the same as G1. Most of his look is the same as G1 except no shoulder vents.

[Autobot032]

"Nanosec" was not a great story (in my mind), though it had a few funny moments, and the whole aging idea was actually quite smart considering it's a kid show. A lot of 13-18+ shows would try and pull the same thing and fail miserably.

So far they've kept story balanced with action and it's working, but I still fear they'll end up selling out one over the other in hopes of keeping ratings up. =\

And the animation style stopped bothering me with the CN movie. Once I saw it and how great it worked, those silly concerns went right out the window.

[Saber Prime]

Has anyone else noticed that Bumblebee doesn't look anything like a robot? It looks like he's wearing bits of armor that form the car over a black jump suit.

If you look at the shoulder pads you'll even notice a tellow strap holding them on his arm. There's allso times when he's actully lifted up the chest plate showing more of the black jump suit under it.

I can't see this with any of the other Transformers but Bumblebee definatly looks like he could take his armor off and he'd just be a guy in a black jump suit underneath.

[Sabrblade]

Not me. He looks like a (very lean) robot to me. And if he looks more like a man to you, that's good because that means he lacks a good mount of the things that makes them look robotic and can be annoying at the same time: kibble. BB has little/no kibble on him whatsoever and yet achieves a perfect transformation. For once, we get a guy that lacks a "shell".

Also, check out my new sig.

[FuriousRodimus]

I, for one, have gotten tired of all the Autobot vs Criminal stuff. Lockdown and the Dinobots were a nice break from this, but I mean c'mon they haven't been the greatest foils for the Autobots, nor do they pose a real threat (except for that meltdown guy). Anywhos, cool style (I guess) but starting to wear thin.

[Sabrblade]

Yeah, so far Meltdown appears to be the most threatening of the human villians. My guess is that the order of most threatening to least threatening human villians will be:

• Meltdown (by far)
• The Headmaster (he appears to be able to control the Autobots)
• Nanosec (if he ever regains his youth)
• The Angry archer (obviously)

[Katakiyaku]

I don't think bumblebee is guilty of anything that other tf characters aren't equally guilty of. Look at g1 Ironhide, there's no way he transforms into anything, he looks like a robot with a windshield on his chest. Dinobot from BW is also really guilty, I mean all his dino bits disappear and his dino head has a completely different shape in robot mode. We've seen bb's toy though, it matches the show pretty closely meaning his transformation is more plausable than say dinobots.
when I was talking about charactization though, I didn't mean how they were written; I meant that the actual design/style helps characterize each bot really well. Then again I am also really against animation trying to look realistic in the first place. Its not real and therefore should not burden itself by trying to be real. Making them more expressionistic gives them a whole new life. The more I think about them, the more I see the designs as a revival of the 70's giant robo asethetic.
though as a side question, do the autobots know where they are? It seems kinda strange they haven't been show to make contact with cybertron yet (though this will hopefully be addressed when the elite get there.) I wonder if they even want to be found (since Ratchet said the allspark should have stayed lost or they're worried communication attempts will alert other decepticon remnants and turn earth into a war zone)

[Saber Prime]

Yeah, so far Meltdown appears to be the most threatening of the human villians. My guess is that the order of most threatening to least threatening human villians will be:

• Meltdown (by far)
• The Headmaster (he appears to be able to control the Autobots)
• Nanosec (if he ever regains his youth)
• The Angry archer (obviously)

Headmaster is the next villain I want to see. The rest of them suck. Well next human villain I mean.

Headmaster while being a human villain is techically allso a Transformer (if they make him transform from a robotic shell to a head like the original headmasters and I'm preddy sure that's what he is.)

Allso sence you mentioned it, who's the 5th guy in your sig? I recognize Onimon, Imperialdramon, Galantmon, and Sunsunomon.(I think that's his name) but I haven't really followed Digimon too much sence they took out the original people.

[Saber Prime]

I don't think bumblebee is guilty of anything that other tf characters aren't equally guilty of. Look at g1 Ironhide, there's no way he transforms into anything, he looks like a robot with a windshield on his chest. Dinobot from BW is also really guilty, I mean all his dino bits disappear and his dino head has a completely different shape in robot mode. We've seen bb's toy though, it matches the show pretty closely meaning his transformation is more plausable than say dinobots.
when I was talking about charactization though, I didn't mean how they were written; I meant that the actual design/style helps characterize each bot really well. Then again I am also really against animation trying to look realistic in the first place. Its not real and therefore should not burden itself by trying to be real. Making them more expressionistic gives them a whole new life. The more I think about them, the more I see the designs as a revival of the 70's giant robo asethetic.
though as a side question, do the autobots know where they are? It seems kinda strange they haven't been show to make contact with cybertron yet (though this will hopefully be addressed when the elite get there.) I wonder if they even want to be found (since Ratchet said the allspark should have stayed lost or they're worried communication attempts will alert other decepticon remnants and turn earth into a war zone)

[Sabrblade]

Allso sence you mentioned it, who's the 5th guy in your sig? I recognize Onimon, Imperialdramon, Galantmon, and Sunsunomon.(I think that's his name) but I haven't really followed Digimon too much sence they took out the original people.

Yes, those are Omnimon, Imperialdramon Fighter Mode, Gallantmon Crimson Mode, and Susanoomon. The fifth guy is from the fifth series. Known as Savers in Japan, but Data Squad in the dub. The guy is ShineGreymon Burst Mode, by far the coolest one in that series, imo.

[Saber Prime]

Allso sence you mentioned it, who's the 5th guy in your sig? I recognize Onimon, Imperialdramon, Galantmon, and Sunsunomon.(I think that's his name) but I haven't really followed Digimon too much sence they took out the original people.

Yes, those are Omnimon, Imperialdramon Fighter Mode, Gallantmon Crimson Mode, and Susanoomon. The fifth guy is from the fifth series. Known as Savers in Japan, but Data Squad in the dub. The guy is ShineGreymon Burst Mode, by far the coolest one in that series, imo.

OK, so why not take out Omnimon and Imperialdramon Fighter Mode and just put in Imperialdramon Palaid Mode? That would be the Fighter mode but he's white and has Omnimon's sword.

[Sabrblade]

Cuz they wanted the five guys from the five series. What they could've done was have I-mon FM be PM instead and keep Omnimon. Who says Omnimon and I-mon PM can't exist together at the same time? Just cuz Omnimon gave I-mon his power to become PM doesn't mean that in a later battle WG-mon and MG-mon can't become Omnimon and have I-mon mode change twice.

Also, its a shame that we have to wait another week for episode 5 of TF:A to air, as well as two more weeks for thge new episode 9.

[Saber Prime]

Anyone want to vote on the quote that should go in my Sig?

It has to be from Transformers Animated and can't be any of the quotes that are currently holding up space in my sig.

Just thought it might be something fun to do till a new episode actully comes out sence we don't seem to have anything else to talk about till then.

Voteing will last over the weekend and the new quote will be put up Sunday night or Monday Morning, depends on what time zone you're in.

[NiteStar]

Has anyone else noticed that Bumblebee doesn't look anything like a robot? It looks like he's wearing bits of armor that form the car over a black jump suit.

None of them look like Robots. I've said this before, they look like people with angular edges.

[YoImLegend]

Has anyone brought up that this was an episode where the key FAILED?

It is really coming off that the allspark/key (which I sort of think of as the same thing) as an actual character in the series, something I've always had a feeling about. It wanted the Prime and his "repairbots" to find it, and 50 years later it wanted to wake up Megatron. It sort of wants to guide the plot to make things right. It wouldn't help Bumblebee turn off his thrusters because 1. it wanted him to learn a lesson and 2. it is getting sick of being taken for granted.

I could see a character getting seriously hurt (probably not killed, way too dark for a kid's show) and then they say "awe well, Sari, plug your key in," and nothing happens.

[Saber Prime]

Has anyone brought up that this was an episode where the key FAILED?

It is really coming off that the allspark/key (which I sort of think of as the same thing) as an actual character in the series, something I've always had a feeling about. It wanted the Prime and his "repairbots" to find it, and 50 years later it wanted to wake up Megatron. It sort of wants to guide the plot to make things right. It wouldn't help Bumblebee turn off his thrusters because 1. it wanted him to learn a lesson and 2. it is getting sick of being taken for granted.

I could see a character getting seriously hurt (probably not killed, way too dark for a kid's show) and then they say "awe well, Sari, plug your key in," and nothing happens.

Ah but someone HAS allready died on the show. Optimus Prime died in the pilot episodes and even turned grey the same as G1 Prime in the Movie. That coupled with the fact that even Ratchet said he was dead.

Sari brought him back from the dead with her key and the all spark gave her that key so they are definatly conected. I wouldn't really say they are the same though.

Another thing I noticed, when Optimus and Starscream were fighting over the All Spark, I noticed they pulled it open and it looked like the Matrix but bigger and not round.

[Justicity]

It is really coming off that the allspark/key (which I sort of think of as the same thing) as an actual character in the series, something I've always had a feeling about. It wanted the Prime and his "repairbots" to find it, and 50 years later it wanted to wake up Megatron. It sort of wants to guide the plot to make things right. It wouldn't help Bumblebee turn off his thrusters because 1. it wanted him to learn a lesson and 2. it is getting sick of being taken for granted.

Can anyone say Deus Ex Machina?

[AxiomScion]

Has anyone brought up that this was an episode where the key FAILED?

It is really coming off that the allspark/key (which I sort of think of as the same thing) as an actual character in the series, something I've always had a feeling about. It wanted the Prime and his "repairbots" to find it, and 50 years later it wanted to wake up Megatron. It sort of wants to guide the plot to make things right. It wouldn't help Bumblebee turn off his thrusters because 1. it wanted him to learn a lesson and 2. it is getting sick of being taken for granted.

I could see a character getting seriously hurt (probably not killed, way too dark for a kid's show) and then they say "awe well, Sari, plug your key in," and nothing happens.

Ah but someone HAS allready died on the show. Optimus Prime died in the pilot episodes and even turned grey the same as G1 Prime in the Movie. That coupled with the fact that even Ratchet said he was dead.

Sari brought him back from the dead with her key and the all spark gave her that key so they are defiantly connected. I wouldn't really say they are the same though.

Another thing I noticed, when Optimus and Starscream were fighting over the All Spark, I noticed they pulled it open and it looked like the Matrix but bigger and not round.

Saber, I think MTI was writing out in chronological order so that he meant later on when the Autobots turn to the allspark and sari's key to fix everything no magic rainbows or sunshine puppies will come forth.

If going by what MTI suggests... a sentient allspark fixed there Prime problem in the pilot epi but doesn't want to have to resurrect them every time so it guides them to function more without its' direct influence throughout the series.

It may take an autobot and a decepticon to open the matrix/allspark later. It would fit with the 'til all are one' mantra although I seriously doubt they'll play the Unicron card this season. Maybe in the second season after they enough character development but I'ld hope for a season three change if not avoid Unicron all together. I like Megatron too much to trade for a Galvatron.

A Straxus/Megs turned into Galvatron though, I can deal with... but it seems to complicated for a saturday morning toon

[God Magnus]

Can anyone say Deus Ex Machina?

And pronounce it correctly? Not many can that I know of.

[Saber Prime]

Has anyone brought up that this was an episode where the key FAILED?

It is really coming off that the allspark/key (which I sort of think of as the same thing) as an actual character in the series, something I've always had a feeling about. It wanted the Prime and his "repairbots" to find it, and 50 years later it wanted to wake up Megatron. It sort of wants to guide the plot to make things right. It wouldn't help Bumblebee turn off his thrusters because 1. it wanted him to learn a lesson and 2. it is getting sick of being taken for granted.

I could see a character getting seriously hurt (probably not killed, way too dark for a kid's show) and then they say "awe well, Sari, plug your key in," and nothing happens.

Ah but someone HAS allready died on the show. Optimus Prime died in the pilot episodes and even turned grey the same as G1 Prime in the Movie. That coupled with the fact that even Ratchet said he was dead.

Sari brought him back from the dead with her key and the all spark gave her that key so they are defiantly connected. I wouldn't really say they are the same though.

Another thing I noticed, when Optimus and Starscream were fighting over the All Spark, I noticed they pulled it open and it looked like the Matrix but bigger and not round.

Saber, I think MTI was writing out in chronological order so that he meant later on when the Autobots turn to the allspark and sari's key to fix everything no magic rainbows or sunshine puppies will come forth.

If going by what MTI suggests... a sentient allspark fixed there Prime problem in the pilot epi but doesn't want to have to resurrect them every time so it guides them to function more without its' direct influence throughout the series.

It may take an autobot and a decepticon to open the matrix/allspark later. It would fit with the 'til all are one' mantra although I seriously doubt they'll play the Unicron card this season. Maybe in the second season after they enough character development but I'ld hope for a season three change if not avoid Unicron all together. I like Megatron too much to trade for a Galvatron.

A Straxus/Megs turned into Galvatron though, I can deal with... but it seems to complicated for a saturday morning toon

He said no one would get killed because it's too dark for a kids show that's why I pointed out that someone has allready died.

Anyway, I don't mind if Megatron becomes Galvatron later on as long as he's not a Megatron repaint like the last 4 Galvatrons.

RID, Armada, Energon, and Cybertron Galvatron are nothing more than repaints of their respective Megatrons and I hate that.

G1 Galvatron is the only Galvatron that's ever managed to have a different mold from his Megatron counterpart. If they turn this Megatron into Galvatron he damn well better be a new mold and not just Megatron painted purple.

[Venomous Prime]

Can anyone say Deus Ex Machina?

And pronounce it correctly? Not many can that I know of.

Day-Us X Machine-UH

[AxiomScion]

He said no one would get killed because it's too dark for a kids show that's why I pointed out that someone has allready died.

Prime's death was for all of 75 seconds that's not exactly dark is it?

I could see a character getting seriously hurt (probably not killed, way too dark for a kid's show) and then they say "awe well, Sari, plug your key in," and nothing happens.

I think you missed the connects of what he's saying Saber. With the way the allspark is acting MTI thinks later on a character may need help and the allspark wont help.

If the allspark doesn't help bring a dead character back then the character stays dead, thus too dark for a kid's show, as there would be no other way to bring the character back.

That's why the hypothetical future situation he mentions would likely not be with a dead character. In this case Prime dying before is irrelevant because the allspark did bring him back and in record time.

Anyway, I don't mind if Megatron becomes Galvatron later on as long as he's not a Megatron repaint like the last 4 Galvatrons.

This is one of the reason's I'ld rather they follow IDW to some degree and keep the two trons separate. A stronger but less effective/stable Megatron painted purple (or in some cases silver?) and called Galvatron stinks of poor plot device to me.

And given the number of repaint Galvatrons to new mold Galvatrons I think it's too much to hope for a new mold if they stick with Meg/Galv formula. But I'ld like to be presently surprised rather than be disappointedly dashed by a repaint.

Straxus was a flying canon that once posed as Megatron. If the writters did some character development next season he could be poised to attempt a coupe. That way If and when Unicron appears in season three, Megatron can return to face off with Straxus reformatted Galvatron. But then that would take two molds (one for Straxus) to work.

It my piss off a few G1 comic lovers who hate TF:A to see Straxus first figure come from the TF:A toyline though

[Saber Prime]

Anyway, I don't mind if Megatron becomes Galvatron later on as long as he's not a Megatron repaint like the last 4 Galvatrons.

This is one of the reason's I'ld rather they follow IDW to some degree and keep the two trons separate. A stronger but less effective/stable Megatron painted purple (or in some cases silver?) and called Galvatron stinks of poor plot device to me.

And given the number of repaint Galvatrons to new mold Galvatrons I think it's too much to hope for a new mold if they stick with Meg/Galv formula. But I'ld like to be presently surprised rather than be disappointedly dashed by a repaint.

Straxus was a flying canon that once posed as Megatron. If the writters did some character development next season he could be poised to attempt a coupe. That way If and when Unicron appears in season three, Megatron can return to face off with Straxus reformatted Galvatron. But then that would take two molds (one for Straxus) to work.

It my piss off a few G1 comic lovers who hate TF:A to see Straxus first figure come from the TF:A toyline though

I have no idea who Straxus is. As far as I'm concerned Megatron has allways been Galvatron.

I wouldn't mind seeing Galvatron as a seperate character though and just have him kill Megatron and take his place as leader.

Allso why do you conect Galvatron with Unicron? Only the original and possibly Energon Megatron's were made into Galvatron by Unicron. (I either didn't see or don't remember how Energon Megatron became Galvatron.)

RID never even introduced Unicron and Megatron was turned into Galvatron via the Black Pyrimid.

Armada Megatron along with Starscream, Red Alert, and Hot Shot were all given repaint jobs by the Mini-cons. Red Alert and Hot Shot keept their original names. Starscream changed his name to Thundercracker (which really dissplaces Cybertron as the last part of the Trilligy because Cybertron made Starscream and Thundercracker two different characters again.) and Megatron changed his name to Galvatron allthough it seemed everyone insisted on calling them by their original names so they really only called themselfs that.

Energon, from the appearance of him I think he should have never been called Megatron in the first place.

Cybertron Megatron with the help of the Giant Cyber Planet Key got really pissed and turned into a shimering black cloud and then became Galvatron. The toy was just a simple repaint but the cartoon allso seemed to show that Galvatron was alot bigger than Megatron.

This last one is just a therie but in the movie, they say the All Spark's power "COULD" kill you, not that it "CAN" kill you. That coupled with the fact that they can't really kill off the Decepticon leader and then make a sequill so either A. There won't be a sequill or B. The All Spark didn't really kill him and he'll be back in the next movie as Galvatron.

I would prefer A. But hey, I'll give the sequill a shot, at this point there's no way it could be any worse. Maybe they'll tell a better story and change the designs so they don't all look alike from a distance and look like crap close up.

[Sabrblade]

I have no idea who Straxus is. As far as I'm concerned Megatron has allways been Galvatron.

Straxus was Decepticon leader from the Marvel comics.

Allso why do you conect Galvatron with Unicron? Only the original and possibly Energon Megatron's were made into Galvatron by Unicron. (I either didn't see or don't remember how Energon Megatron became

Energon Megatron became Galvatron via an exposure to Super Energon. This also how Starscream powered up as well.

RID never even introduced Unicron and Megatron was turned into Galvatron via the Black Pyrimid.

That was not the Black Pyramid. Yes, it was a pyramid, but not the same one from "Hunt for the Black Pyramid". Also, he didn't just absorb the pyramid's power, he also took some power from Slapper, Gas Skunk, and Dark Scream's sparks.

Armada Megatron along with Starscream, Red Alert, and Hot Shot were all given repaint jobs by the Mini-cons. Red Alert and Hot Shot keept their original names. Starscream changed his name to Thundercracker (which really dissplaces Cybertron as the last part of the Trilligy because Cybertron made Starscream and Thundercracker two different characters again.) and Megatron changed his name to Galvatron allthough it seemed everyone insisted on calling them by their original names so they really only called themselfs that.

You forgot Demolisher. He was there with them and got upgraded too. And Starscream didn't change his name to Thundercracker. He said, "I look like Thundercracker." referring to a different character. This line was inserted into the episode because Hasbro released the Starscream Super Mode toy as a new character named Thundercracker. And everyone called Megatron Galvatron. It was only right after his upgrade that he was still called Megatron because the others weren't aware of the name change. Megs would correct them like this:

Thrust: "Welcome back, Lord Megatron"
Galvatron: "The name is Galvatron now."
Thrust: "Yes, Lord Galvatron"

Energon, from the appearance of him I think he should have never been called Megatron in the first place.

That's how it was in the Japanese version, Superlink. I japanese Armada, Micron Legend, Megs was upgraded to Megatron Super Mode. It wasn't until his return in Energon (Superlink) that he went by Galvatron. When he was upgraded again, He was called Galvatron G (Galvatron General). it was Hasbro who chose the "Megatron - Galvatron - Megatron - Galvatron" format. I bet that if Battlestars was ewver brought to West, they'd call Super Megatron just Megatron and Ultra Megatron Galvatron.

Cybertron Megatron with the help of the Giant Cyber Planet Key got really pissed and turned into a shimering black cloud and then became Galvatron. The toy was just a simple repaint but the cartoon allso seemed to show that Galvatron was alot bigger than Megatron.

I don't think he was bigger, just stronger. When he fought Prime in the final battle, they were the same size as always.

This last one is just a therie but in the movie, they say the All Spark's power "COULD" kill you, not that it "CAN" kill you. That coupled with the fact that they can't really kill off the Decepticon leader and then make a sequill so either A. There won't be a sequill or B. The All Spark didn't really kill him and he'll be back in the next movie as Galvatron.

Or they could just ressurrect him as Megatron. If this Megatron were to become Galvatron, I doubt he would show up as soon as the second movie. Maybe the third at the ealiest, but not the second. Plus, who says Megs has to come back in the sequel? Screamer's still alive, and we might be getting Soundwave and the Constructions. So the Autobots (plus the possible Dinobots) would already have a powerful-enough threat to deal with, and would not need Megatron.