The Energon Pub

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I was thinking that too, but all I remember from that is Primal telling Nightscream that Iacon was the old home to the Autobots and that it was abondoned when the Great Upgrade from Autobot to Maximal happened.

It is that episode and I believe one other.

Like I said I couldnt repeat the words Primal said but he did refer to the Holo Statue ans being on the spot that G1 Prime died on and he also tolded Nightscream that Iacon was where the Great War ended.

[Burn]

did any of you actually like the Angry Archer?
I kinda liked him, he was quite funny actually and I liked his voice I hope he'll come back in a later eppy.

I thought he was a wanker actually. And a bloody bad amalgam of the Robin Hood and Green Arrow characters.
Oh noes! I just tried to drag this thread back on topic! Not that it'll matter because i'm sure SP has me on his foes list anyway. hehehe

[Saber Prime]

Oh noes! I just tried to drag this thread back on topic! Not that it'll matter because i'm sure SP has me on his foes list anyway. hehehe

What? There's a foes list?

The G1 movie and third seaon took place in 2005 and 2006 (2010 in the Japanese version) in the 21st Century. Animated takes place in the 22nd Century. Now we all should know that 1 century = 100 years. If this series was in the same universe as G1, then how could Spike, Carly, and Daniel be alive and well (and youthful) for 100 years without any explanation?

NOTE: the main focus of the question is the Witwickys, not the time period. Someone else already got confused about that and I don't want to mislead anyone again.

I ignored this the first time you brought it up but sence you mentioned it again...

There is a verry simple answer to the question...

If this series was in the same universe as G1, then how could Spike, Carly, and Daniel be alive and well (and youthful) for 100 years without any explanation?

Spike, Carly, and Daniel are not in Transformers Animated, they are not alive and well (and youthful) for 100 years and they need no exsplain how a person can't live for over 100 years.

Sorry I tried to save you the embarrisment of that question but you had to go and ask it again.

[Burn]

Spike, Carly, and Daniel are not in Transformers Animated, they are not alive and well (and youthful) for 100 years and they need no exsplain how a person can't live for over 100 years.

So the fact that there were three people who were the spitting image of Spike, Carly and Daniel in the first episode is just pure coincidence?

[Saber Prime]

Spike, Carly, and Daniel are not in Transformers Animated, they are not alive and well (and youthful) for 100 years and they need no exsplain how a person can't live for over 100 years.

So the fact that there were three people who were the spitting image of Spike, Carly and Daniel in the first episode is just pure coincidence?

I saw no one who even resembled them and I've watched that first episode three times now but I'll go watch again and see if I spot them...

-=edit=-

You mean these three?



I didn't even notice them till I was actully looking for them. I was too buisy watching the robots durring his speech to pay any attention to the humans.

There's allso a girl who walks by them in that same sceen that looks like Audrey Rocio Ramirez.



Apperently Cory Burton and Lenord Nimoy were both in that movie too.

[Burn]

Nice evasion of explaining them though.

So what is it? A continuation of G1 (supposedly set a few hundred years in the future, which would mean the Witwicky's are possibly immortal) or simply fanwank/nod to previous series material?

I gotta go with fanwank. There really is no possible way for this to be connected to G1 in any way whatsoever. Acknowledgments and nods? Yes. Continuation? No.

[Saber Prime]

Who say's that's actuly Spike, Carly, and Daniel anyway?

Decendents of people offten look like their ansectors. Even Daniel looked like Spike anyway. The father definatly looks like Spike but the mother's only resemblance to Carly is that's she's blond. The kid they don't show at all. You can only see the back of his head.

Now that you went and mentioned the humans, what's up with the Disney crossover?

[Burn]

Who say's that's actuly Spike, Carly, and Daniel anyway?

Decendents of people offten look like their ansectors.

So by pure coincidence after a few centuries of breeding two people who look exactly like Spike and Carly just happen to get together and have a kid who looks like Daniel?

Now I can accept looks being passed on as genetics, but do you honestly believe that after a couple of hundred years genetics can produce two people who look exactly like their ancestors and those two people just happen to get together and have a kid that exactly looks like the child of their ancestors?

Come on ... that's too much of a stretch.

It wasn't Spike, Carly and Daniel, it was just the writers and animators tossing in a G1 "easter egg" like the history tapes.

[Saber Prime]

Who say's that's actuly Spike, Carly, and Daniel anyway?

Decendents of people offten look like their ansectors.

So by pure coincidence after a few centuries of breeding two people who look exactly like Spike and Carly just happen to get together and have a kid who looks like Daniel?

Now I can accept looks being passed on as genetics, but do you honestly believe that after a couple of hundred years genetics can produce two people who look exactly like their ancestors and those two people just happen to get together and have a kid that exactly looks like the child of their ancestors?

Come on ... that's too much of a stretch.

It wasn't Spike, Carly and Daniel, it was just the writers and animators tossing in a G1 "easter egg" like the history tapes.

Did you just ignore this segment of my post to further make your point or you just failing to read my posts again.

the mother's only resemblance to Carly is that's she's blond. The kid they don't show at all. You can only see the back of his head.

How can you say that woman and that boy look exactly like Carly and Daniel? You can't even see the kid except for the back of his head. The woman has Carly's hair color but that's it. Oh I guess every blond has to look exactly like Carly.

[Burn]

Did you just ignore this segment of my post to further make your point or you just failing to read my posts again.

I saw it. But frankly it looks like Carly to me. Albeit done in a more animated style but the resemblance is definitely there.

How can you say that woman and that boy look exactly like Carly and Daniel? You can't even see the kid except for the back of his head. The woman has Carly's hair color but that's it. Oh I guess every blond has to look exactly like Carly.

Why is it you can't accept that it's clearly meant to be the Witwicky's?

You seem so readily to accept that Ratchet is the original G1 Ratchet despite his lack of knowledge regarding Earth and serving with Optimus Prime, Prowl, Bumblebee ... oh and also not seeming to remember Starscream or even Megatron.

And it's not like being a few centuries older is going to cause memory loss considering he was probably a few centuries old in his G1 days.

You know, if you're going to push your belief that this is a continunation of G1 then at least try to be consistant in your arguments.

Because saying that's not the Witwicky's completely contradicts all your other arguments about this being a continuation of G1.

-edit-

Not suppose to be a nod towards Carly?

[Saber Prime]

Did you just ignore this segment of my post to further make your point or you just failing to read my posts again.

I saw it. But frankly it looks like Carly to me. Albeit done in a more animated style but the resemblance is definitely there.

How can you say that woman and that boy look exactly like Carly and Daniel? You can't even see the kid except for the back of his head. The woman has Carly's hair color but that's it. Oh I guess every blond has to look exactly like Carly.

Why is it you can't accept that it's clearly meant to be the Witwicky's?

You seem so readily to accept that Ratchet is the original G1 Ratchet despite his lack of knowledge regarding Earth and serving with Optimus Prime, Prowl, Bumblebee ... oh and also not seeming to remember Starscream or even Megatron.

And it's not like being a few centuries older is going to cause memory loss considering he was probably a few centuries old in his G1 days.

You know, if you're going to push your belief that this is a continunation of G1 then at least try to be consistant in your arguments.

Because saying that's not the Witwicky's completely contradicts all your other arguments about this being a continuation of G1.

-edit-

Not suppose to be a nod towards Carly?

Not the original Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, and Prowl. And what possibly gives you the idea he doesn't remember Megatron? Even if this has no conection to G1, Animated Ratchet still fought in a great war agenst Animated Megatron. So if your right and he doesn't remember Megatron then obviously Animated has no conection to itself either. Wait how does that work?

How does saying that's not the Witwikys contridict the conection to G1? The only way they could be there is by time travel or they were frozen for the last 100 years.

Of course apperently that has allready happened sence movie 2005, series 2010 and Daniel doesn't age between there. He seems to be about 12 years old in the movie so by 2010 he should be 17 but he's still 12.

Yep I knew it, she's a blond so she has to be Carly because no one else in the history of Earth has ever been blond.

So what about that Disney crossover? What's that girl from Atlantis doing in a Transformers cartoon?

[Burn]

Not the original Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, and Prowl. And what possibly gives you the idea he doesn't remember Megatron? Even if this has no conection to G1, Animated Ratchet still fought in a great war agenst Animated Megatron. So if your right and he doesn't remember Megatron then obviously Animated has no conection to itself either. Wait how does that work?

Congratulations. You just realised the plot hole people have been trying to point out to you!

Yep I knew it, she's a blond so she has to be Carly because no one else in the history of Earth has ever been blond.

Yes, blonde hair, black hair band, similar face, the fact that she's standing next to a guy who bears a remarkable resemblance to Spike Witwicky, wearing clothes similar to what they wore in Season 3, oh and a kid that's about the same age as Daniel Witwicky, and you truly do not believe it's suppose to be a nod to the Witwicky's?

[Saber Prime]

Not the original Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, and Prowl. And what possibly gives you the idea he doesn't remember Megatron? Even if this has no conection to G1, Animated Ratchet still fought in a great war agenst Animated Megatron. So if your right and he doesn't remember Megatron then obviously Animated has no conection to itself either. Wait how does that work?

Congratulations. You just realised the plot hole people have been trying to point out to you!

Yep I knew it, she's a blond so she has to be Carly because no one else in the history of Earth has ever been blond.

Yes, blonde hair, black hair band, similar face, the fact that she's standing next to a guy who bears a remarkable resemblance to Spike Witwicky, wearing clothes similar to what they wore in Season 3, oh and a kid that's about the same age as Daniel Witwicky, and you truly do not believe it's suppose to be a nod to the Witwicky's?

I'm going to skip the first part because I have no idea what you're talking about.

As for the second. It's the face that doesn't do it for me. The guy definatly looks like Spike I'll agree with you there. But that woman looks nothing like Carly. The skin tone is much lighter for one, her mouth is much larger, and face is too wide and short. I image if she were to talk she'd sound something like Trillian from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. And I don't mean the movie, I'm refering to the original Trillian from the series, the one with the voice that could break glass.

Or the girl from the movie "Guys and Dolls".

Come to think of it, she looks more like Angelica Pickels from "Rugrats All Grown Up"

[Burn]

Like I said, the animation style has changed the shape of her face, but the similarities are there.

Not only that you conceed that the guy is suppose to be Spike, yet you can't accept the blonde woman with black hairband and 10 year old kid to be Carly.

I just don't get it. To me (and many others) it's clearly suppose to be the Witwicky's, Spike, Carly and Daniel.

[Tekka]

I can't believe this is still going on even though every argument for a G1 continuity has been shot down in flames so many times already.

Dinobots are coming tomorrow... Is everyone preparing their cases for and against them being the long lost love children of the original Dinobots?

[Saber Prime]

Like I said, the animation style has changed the shape of her face, but the similarities are there.

Not only that you conceed that the guy is suppose to be Spike, yet you can't accept the blonde woman with black hairband and 10 year old kid to be Carly.

I just don't get it. To me (and many others) it's clearly suppose to be the Witwicky's, Spike, Carly and Daniel.

I said he LOOKED like Spike, I never said he WAS Spike.

You wanted an exsplination on how the Witwickeys could be 100 years in the future and not age and this is it. It's not Spike, Carly, and Daniel. It's a man who decended from Spike and married a blond woman who looks like Angelica Pickels and had a son with no face.

Now how bout that Atlantis Girl?

-=edit=-

Wait what? Dinobots? According to this the next episode should be Total Meltdown. http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/ ... index.html They're going out of order!! Total Meltdown first then Dinobots.

I wanna see Meltdown, he shounds like he could actully be a threat. Not like that Angry Archer looser.

According to this though Blast from the Past is airring tomarrow. http://schedule.cartoonnetwork.com/xmlS ... mezone=EST

So what the heck happen to Total Meltdown?

Allso looking trough the list it seems Episode 7 Thrill of the Hunt will have flashbacks from the Great War. We'll just have to wait and see if these "Flashbacks" are new animation or if they're just going to use footage from G1 Ratchet. One thing is for sure it says the Flashbacks are Ratchet's memories of the War so that episode can settle this arguement once and for all. Till then let's give it a rest.

[Burn]

I said he LOOKED like Spike, I never said he WAS Spike.

And I said it was SUPPOSE to be Spike as in "That's clearly meant to be a nod towards Spike from G1".

But I don't see how you can together all these wild theories linking Animated directly to G1 yet you cannot accept that those three are suppose to represent Spike, Carly and Daniel Witwicky. You conceed that it looks like Spike, the woman has blonde hair and a black hair band (you're clearly missing that reference), and a young son. I can see the similarities, others can too. Yet you .... you come up with this!

It's a man who decended from Spike and married a blond woman who looks like Angelica Pickels and had a son with no face.

Now as far as i'm concerned you just lost all hope of proving your point here.

This is Angelica Pickles.



This is Carly from G1, and the woman from Animated.



Which two look more similar?

You would have been better off saying it was Judy Jetson.

But like Tekka said, your theories have been disproven numerous times by numerous people, so it's pointless continuing with this discussion.

On with the next (out of order) episode!

[Saber Prime]

I said he LOOKED like Spike, I never said he WAS Spike.

And I said it was SUPPOSE to be Spike as in "That's clearly meant to be a nod towards Spike from G1".

But I don't see how you can together all these wild theories linking Animated directly to G1 yet you cannot accept that those three are suppose to represent Spike, Carly and Daniel Witwicky. You conceed that it looks like Spike, the woman has blonde hair and a black hair band (you're clearly missing that reference), and a young son. I can see the similarities, others can too. Yet you .... you come up with this!

It's a man who decended from Spike and married a blond woman who looks like Angelica Pickels and had a son with no face.

Now as far as i'm concerned you just lost all hope of proving your point here.

This is Angelica Pickles.



This is Carly from G1, and the woman from Animated.



Which two look more similar?

You would have been better off saying it was Judy Jetson.

But like Tekka said, your theories have been disproven numerous times by numerous people, so it's pointless continuing with this discussion.

On with the next (out of order) episode!

That's the younger Angelica Pickels from Rugrats. Look at the older version of her from All Grown Up. (That is if you can find one. I'm having a horrible time finding pictures of her.) She looks just like that woman and allso sports a simular hair band (some times).

-=edit=-



There you go. See, the shape of he head, the skin tone, and even her eyes look just like the woman in Animated. The younger version of her has bigger eyes but this version has the more slender styal seen with the other woman. The woman on Animated allso has the same color eye shadow.

Here I'll make this easy for you...

You can not prove that Animated Ratchet is not G1 Ratchet because in order to prove they're not the same you have to prove that the sceen where Optimus is watching the "History Vids" and says Ratchet was there never happened. But it did happen so you can't prove your side.

Granted there are plot holes galor but still you have to prove that something that obviously did happen never happened to prove your side.

[Saber Prime]

I just thought of something else too.

Daniel was about 12 years old originally.

The boy in Animated you all claim is supose to be Daniel can't be any older than 7.

For one thing Sari I'm guessing by her apperance and attitude that she's no older than 9 and the little boy looks even younger than her.

Now while were on an age subject...

When I first saw the episode I thought it said "20 years later" but after watching it the second time I realized it actully said "50 Years Later"

Now Professor Sumdac seemed to be liveing alone so I'll guess his age to be somewhere between 18 and 21. That would place his older self at about 68 to 71.

Now isn't he kinda old to have a 9 year old daughter?

That would mean he was allready in his 50's when his daughter was born. He's old enough to be her GRANDfather.

I don't think Sumdac is a child abuser or rapist, and he definatly hasn't spent any time in prison, and he only has 1 kid so what the heck took him so long?

[Dead Metal]

You still think that is G1 Ratchet?
Watch this my friend, you may have never seen it so this is going to be a premier for you!
Folowing footage is from a cartoon that was on the big screen in 1986 in the US and 1988 in Japan, it's title "Transformers the Movie":
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fhRCGiJrOik

Those peoples are so the Witwikeys, just in the deformed Animated style, they even weare the Fu**ing same stuff as in the toon!
can we please stop this argument? It's getting really old and f***ing boring, cos Animated is not connected to G1 cos of:

1.There is just fanwank for us put in
2.The makers said so
3.The writer said the "oldtimers" can go screw them selves since this is not ment for them
4.They said it's a fresh F***ing new start!

If this argument goes on, I will just know that some have nothing better to do then bash them selves over something that was made for 5 year olds.

[Burn]

I don't think Sumdac is a child abuser or rapist, and he definatly hasn't spent any time in prison, and he only has 1 kid so what the heck took him so long?

Why the hell do you associate with someone having a child in their 50's as being a child abuser or a rapist?

It's not unheard of for men to father children in their 50's or 60's and they haven't been child abusers or rapists.

Seriously, what the hell lead you to make that comment?

Now as for Suri, I like someone's theory that she herself is a robot (unaware that she is one) created by her "father".

As for proving that Animated isn't connected to G1, read and understand what Dead Metal posted before me.

Moving on ...

[Saber Prime]

I don't think Sumdac is a child abuser or rapist, and he definatly hasn't spent any time in prison, and he only has 1 kid so what the heck took him so long?

Why the hell do you associate with someone having a child in their 50's as being a child abuser or a rapist?

It's not unheard of for men to father children in their 50's or 60's and they haven't been child abusers or rapists.

Seriously, what the hell lead you to make that comment?

Now as for Suri, I like someone's theory that she herself is a robot (unaware that she is one) created by her "father".

As for proving that Animated isn't connected to G1, read and understand what Dead Metal posted before me.

Moving on ...

That was put there as an insult to my grandfather. He was 60 years old when my father was born and my father was the youngest of 10 kids and my grandfather was in San Quinton Prison for 15 years before ever haveing kids.

Anyway... the robot therie would exsplain why there's no mention of her mother in the series.

As for G1, doesn't matter what the creators said. All that means is they hadn't intended on conecting it with G1 but too bad. Wheather it was intended or not, it happen, get over it. You wanna prove there's no conection to G1 then prove that isn't G1 footage Optimus is watching. You wanna prove Animated Ratchet isn't G1 Ratchet than prove Optimus never said he was there.

Here you go watch this again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvzZ2N0JSI

If there's no G1 conection than everything in Transformers Animated from 00:31 to 01:19 never happened and the new series doesn't actully start till Ratchet says "Looks like the Young bots need some help."

You can't say there's no G1 Conection without completly ignoring that sceen so good luck trying to prove it's not there.

[imotron]

[Saber Prime]

What's the frowny face for? That b@$t@rd (aka my grandfather) died in 1985, one year before I was born. I hate him anyway just for what he put my father and his siblings through, especially my aunts, that sick b@$t@rd.

[Dead Metal]

Here you go watch this again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvzZ2N0JSI

If there's no G1 conection than everything in Transformers Animated from 00:31 to 01:19 never happened and the new series doesn't actully start till Ratchet says "Looks like the Young bots need some help."

You can't say there's no G1 Conection without completly ignoring that sceen so good luck trying to prove it's not there.

As I said before I have a very good memory wen it comes to things like this, heck I can even remember most of Code of Hearo and that was aired like 8 years ago.
Yes they have G1 footage in there, yes Ratchet is said to be in the grate war and yes the G1 footage is there for fanwant resons only.
And if you haven't noticed I did state that I to once thought that Animated was part of G1, but I have noticed that it cannot bee!

Transformers is shown in may things even Movies, you wanna say just cos they let the G1 show be shown on a TV in Leon, that Leon the specialist is G1?

I concider this discussion over, since like you've been proven wrong the first time round as this whole crap started.

In Germany we have a saying, "Der Klügere gibt nach." IOn English, "The smarter one gives way."
read it and try to understand it and the rest of my post.
So I have proved my point and I'm gonna come back once this thread is back on topic.