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[Burn]

But would beneath the skin have smooth surfaces?

I would imagine it to be quite skeletal to save on metal as animatronics tend to do. And that's all they really were to me because I saw no indication otherwise they weren't anything more than animatronics.

[Saber Prime]

But would beneath the skin have smooth surfaces?

I would imagine it to be quite skeletal to save on metal as animatronics tend to do. And that's all they really were to me because I saw no indication otherwise they weren't anything more than animatronics.

You're compairing pure human animatronics with ones of Cybertronian design. Megatron designed the Dinobots, Sumdac just built them according to his design.

Before they were rebuilt/redesigned they did look like skelital animatronics like you described. Or at least they did as far as we could tell after Bulkhead wrecked them and we could see little bits of their interior.

At any rate, had they not looked like gold and red smooth surface robots before being given Sparks Sumdac and Megatron would have noticed that they didn't look anything like what they designed/built. Neither one of them said anything about their appearance and Sumdac allso opened up a hatch in Grimlock and you could see some human looking tech inside him.

Allso Animatronics can't actully fly. That's how Bulkhead got in trouble in the first place, because Swoop couldn't fly till after they were rebuilt.

[Archanubis]

That's like asking, "Do they have to make Porky Pig studder when he talks?"

Maybe, but Porky's essentially been the same character since his inception (may have lost a little weight, but still...)
Starscream's had several different takes on the character in just the past 5 years. And this Starscream is considered a "new" character.

1. Grimlock still says "Me Grimlock" but not quite as offtin as the original so he didn't seem quite as annoying but still annoying.

I wasn't please with the stereotypical cartoon "Me Grimlock" portrayal raising it's ugly head, but at least the writers made him a bad ass again, not entirely comic relief. And it also goes back to my original comment about Starscream having a voice like nails on a chalkboard...

2. I like Grimlock's design in Animated. G1 Grimlock looked like any other robot but Animated Grimlock actully has a mouth that matches his character perfectly. So far his is the best design of the entire show.

His beast mode mouth looks like it came off a steam shovel, IMHO. I'll hold off on a final opinion until I see more of him.

3. Did anyone else notice that Slag and Swoop NEVER spoke? They allso seemed suprised and afraid when Grimlock Transformed.

I noticed (and disappointed) that Slag and Swoop were silent in this episode (except for the occassional "Rawr" and "Screee"). Hopefully, they'll find them some VAs so we can hear them talk in the future (somehow, I think Frank Welker and Michael Bell won't be available). And they did seem kinda shocked when Grimlock transformed, like they hadn't expected THAT.

4. Never say "They're just machines", "I'm going to take them apart.", or "I'll melt them down in the morning." to a group of machines.

Well, Sumdac has been shown to be rather absent minded at times.

5. I like how when Megatron failed to get the Dinobots to obey him that he took advantage of them thinking they were real dinosaurs insted. If you can't get loyatly out of your creations, exsploiting a weakness allways works.

This is why this incarnation of Megatron is quickly becoming my favorite; he adapts to the situtation, taking advantage of opportunities that comes along. He's in a situation where he can't use brute force to get what he wants, so he has to use guile. Hopefully he'll continue this part even after he recieves his body.

6. Professor Sumdac continues to be an idiot. I really don't like him. Seriously, how could he not tell Megatron was lieing, Megatron is the worst lier ever.

As I mentioned, Sumdac has been portrayed throughout his appearances as rather absent minded, and perhaps somewhat lax in his social skills, as another poster mentioned. Just because you're intelligent and can reverse engineer alien tech doesn't give you insight into an individual's character. You have to look at it from his percepective, as well; what, if anything, has Megatron said, done, or shown that indicates to Sumdac that he's aligned with Starscream, who is at this point the ONLY Decepticon humans have seen? He hasn't, and think back to the pilot; when Sumdac found Megatron, all he apparently recovered was a head and a hand, with no insignia to indicate that he wasn't an Autobot. We as the audience have the advantage of knowing that Megatron is lying to Sumdac; but Sumdac doesn't have our "godlike" perspective.

7. I think the blast simply burned off the "skin" to reviel the robotic interior because no one seemed suprised by their change of appearance so they must have known that was what they looked like underneath.

Considering neither Sumdac or Megatron commented on their appearance after the "skin" was torn off, I think you have a point. In fact, Megatron seemed to be surprised *only* when Grimlock displayed a distinct personality.

Of course, depending on what Lugnutz and Blitzwing say when they show up looking for their leader, Megatron's cover MIGHT be blown, no matter how well he spins it. Again, this all depends on if Lugnutz and Blitzwing mention Megatron as their leader; if all they say is Megatron's name, he could just blow it off as being an "escaped POW of high importance" or something similar.

8. I'm fairly sure Megatron designed them to Transform sence he did addmit to giving them other abilitys. (fire breath)

I keep wanting to ask that if he was simply making attack drones, why would he give them the ability to transform, but considering BM Megatron's Vehicon drones could transform, Animated Megatron bestowing transformation on the Dinobots makes sense.

[Saber Prime]

Even drones in G1 could Transform. The Guardians were drones, all except for Omega Supreme it seems, but they all had the same design.

Anyway, it's possible Megatron didn't design them to Transform as we never see a reaction from him when Grimlock Transforms. It's hard to tell if he did something or if it was the key if we have no reaction to judge by. Sence Megatron wasn't around to see the Transformation we got no reation.

It's just my personal belife that Transforming was one of the features Megatron designed them with but I could be proven wrong in a later episode.

Now about Megatron's "head and hand" I think Sumdac found more than that. You only see that much but how do you know the rest of his body wasn't still attached and simply burried in the crater?

I just assumed the rest of his body was in the crator and the reaso you don't see any more of his body in the lab is because he took Megatron apart and used parts of Megatron's body to build his robots. That's allso why I belive Megatron has the ability to controll the robots he's not hooked into, because they're built from bits of him.

[Archanubis]

Now about Megatron's "head and hand" I think Sumdac found more than that. You only see that much but how do you know the rest of his body wasn't still attached and simply burried in the crater?

I just assumed the rest of his body was in the crator and the reaso you don't see any more of his body in the lab is because he took Megatron apart and used parts of Megatron's body to build his robots.

I concede your point, but still, Megatron was in pretty rough shape BEFORE he crashed (having nearly been blown to peices by Starscream, then having to battle the Autobots) and even if entry into our atmosphere didn't do some kind of damage, the impact with the ground certain would have. Considering Sumdac considers Megatron one of the Autobots, at the very least, Megatron had to have lost the Decepticon insignia on his chest in all that action. So I still say Sumdac has had no indication since Megatron's crash and after the Autobots appearance that Megs is a Decepticon.

That's allso why I belive Megatron has the ability to controll the robots he's not hooked into, because they're built from bits of him.

I'd like to point out that so far, the only machinery that Megatron has controlled so far is whatever he's physically hooked into or has had some contact with (such as the Pocket-Bots and Dinobots). While I could presume that he has access to the machinery in Sumdac's tower (considering he's hooked into the lab equipment), Megatron has yet to be portrayed controlling anything that he hasn't had some contact with.

[Overcracker]

I gonna repeat what I said, and say it was Megatron. Again, none seemed surprised by their change of appearance And when Megs and Sumdac where watching them wreak havoc, and they started to breathe fire, Sumdac says it was in Megatron's specs. And Megatron replies by saying he was experimenting, because he wanted to build himself a new body. So he gave the Dinobots "Features". Sumdac Responds by asking: "Features?, plural as in more than one?" Meaning Megs added something else besides the fire breath to the Dinobots which is presumably the ability to transform.

So yes I concur, Sari's Key just peeled away the outer skin if you will, and gave them sparks, but the "Features" where already there as per Megatron's specs.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Even drones in G1 could Transform. The Guardians were drones, all except for Omega Supreme it seems, but they all had the same design.

Some G1 drones could Transform but we never saw any evidence that the Guardian Robot's could.

[Sabrblade]

Yeah, the Guardian Robots were never shown transforming, just appearing out of nowhere from behind buildings.

An example of a drone that did transform was the group of Decepticon drones Megatron used to attack Orion Pax's warehouse in "War Dawn".

[Saber Prime]

Now about Megatron's "head and hand" I think Sumdac found more than that. You only see that much but how do you know the rest of his body wasn't still attached and simply burried in the crater?

I just assumed the rest of his body was in the crator and the reaso you don't see any more of his body in the lab is because he took Megatron apart and used parts of Megatron's body to build his robots.

I concede your point, but still, Megatron was in pretty rough shape BEFORE he crashed (having nearly been blown to peices by Starscream, then having to battle the Autobots) and even if entry into our atmosphere didn't do some kind of damage, the impact with the ground certain would have. Considering Sumdac considers Megatron one of the Autobots, at the very least, Megatron had to have lost the Decepticon insignia on his chest in all that action. So I still say Sumdac has had no indication since Megatron's crash and after the Autobots appearance that Megs is a Decepticon.

That's allso why I belive Megatron has the ability to controll the robots he's not hooked into, because they're built from bits of him.

I'd like to point out that so far, the only machinery that Megatron has controlled so far is whatever he's physically hooked into or has had some contact with (such as the Pocket-Bots and Dinobots). While I could presume that he has access to the machinery in Sumdac's tower (considering he's hooked into the lab equipment), Megatron has yet to be portrayed controlling anything that he hasn't had some contact with.

First, I don't think Humans are even aware of what the Decals mean. I mean come on, Spike didn't even notice the Decepticon insignia on Soundwave in G1.

Second, Everything Megatron's been in contact with has been robots built from his technoligy. Except maybe the machineary in the ware house/Autobot base.

Lastly, We never see the Guardians Transform but they have the same design as Omega Supreme so there's no reason they shouldn't be able to.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

An example of a drone that did transform was the group of Decepticon drones Megatron used to attack Orion Pax's warehouse in "War Dawn".

I dont know if we can even call those guys drones and be 100% right.

They could have been generic robots just like the generic seekers and all the extra Reflectors.

The drones I was referring to are the one's that Megatron made in "Make Track's".

First, I don't think Humans are even aware of what the Decals mean. I mean come on, Spike didn't even notice the Decepticon insignia on Soundwave in G1.

I think it's a little more involved then that.For some reason back in the G1 toon ,none of the humans or robots seemed to be able to see insignia's at all when the robots were in alt-modes.

Besides the obvious giant animal or insect mode's....TF alt modes seem to be indistinguishable from the veichle's and equiptment they were disguising themself's as.

Even Ironhide couldnt tell a car from Red Alert.

Lastly, We never see the Guardians Transform but they have the same design as Omega Supreme so there's no reason they shouldn't be able to.

Thats a opinion not a fact.

And up untill the Dreamwave run on TF comic's I would have agreed with you.

But durring that run an interview with one of the writters was done where the question was asked "what was the difference between a Guardian and Omega" thae answer was that Omega was unice because he had life and could transform.

I cant find that interview to back this up but DW never showed one of the GR's transforming ether so I'm guessing that they chose not to have them capable of the act.

As for Omega and the GR's having the same design....yes they did but I would say that we saw indications in the old G1 episodes that suggest that there were some differences.

Every time Omega got very damaged he ether fell apart where the connections were made [ rocket arm would fall of or his tank portion would fall off ] or reverted to his base mode at least in part.

But every time a GR was knocked down or exploded he never seperated into any of the smaller parts that make up Omega's design.

Other then the head being blowen off the body alway's stayed intact.

I know it's not real proof of anything but it's as much a possibilaty as saying "but they have the same design as Omega Supreme so there's no reason they shouldn't be able to".

[Saber Prime]

Thats a opinion not a fact.

I never stated it was fact.

Even drones in G1 could Transform. The Guardians were drones, all except for Omega Supreme it seems, but they all had the same design.

That's my original post. I didn't say "Guardian robots can Transform" I said "they all had the same design as Omega Supreme" I was assumeing they all transformed like he did but I never tried to state that as a fact.

And yes the drones Megatron built in Make Tracks could Transform. Some how though even though they all had different vehicle modes, in robot mode they all looked like the same green car.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Thats a opinion not a fact.

I never stated it was fact.

Even drones in G1 could Transform. The Guardians were drones, all except for Omega Supreme it seems, but they all had the same design.

That's my original post. I didn't say "Guardian robots can Transform" I said "they all had the same design as Omega Supreme" I was assumeing they all transformed like he did but I never tried to state that as a fact.

I know I was'nt trying to argue...just making a point.

And yes the drones Megatron built in Make Tracks could Transform. Some how though even though they all had different vehicle modes, in robot mode they all looked like the same green car.

I chalk that up to hurried animation and no character models being givven to the animators.

[Sabrblade]

I can't wait to see how Lockdown is gonna played in the next episode. That is, if he is the muscle car that'll be wreaking havoc in Detroit.

[Solrac333]

[Saberspark model H.]

I-)

*snaps fingers 3 times in face then repeatedly slaps back of head causing internal problems* So wake the hell up.

[Sabrblade]

Let him sleep, Saberspark. He'll be up and about in the morning.

Anyway, who all here thinks TF:A Swoop looked more like his G1 animated counterpart rather than his G1 toy counterpart?

[Saber Prime]

More on the Decals...

Considering the only Decepticon humans have seen at this point is Starscream I don't think anyone has even goten a good look at him to see that he has differnt decals than the Autobots.

I didn't even get a good look at his decals in that episode even though I know they're on his wings from the previous episode.

There really is no reason at this point in the series humans should know anything about the difference between an Autobot and Decepticon logo.

In fact I don't think any human in any series has ever figured out what thoughs symbols mean.

I wanna see more of Sentinal Prime. All I seen of him so far is his head. I want to include a Sentinal Prime in my fan fiction and base my version loosely off him so I really need to see more of him.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

More on the Decals...

Considering the only Decepticon humans have seen at this point is Starscream I don't think anyone has even goten a good look at him to see that he has differnt decals than the Autobots.

I didn't even get a good look at his decals in that episode even though I know they're on his wings from the previous episode.

There really is no reason at this point in the series humans should know anything about the difference between an Autobot and Decepticon logo.

In fact I don't think any human in any series has ever figured out what thoughs symbols mean.

I wanna see more of Sentinal Prime. All I seen of him so far is his head. I want to include a Sentinal Prime in my fan fiction and base my version loosely off him so I really need to see more of him.

So far what we've seen of Sentinal Prime make's me dis-like him.

[Dead Metal]

More on the Decals...

Considering the only Decepticon humans have seen at this point is Starscream I don't think anyone has even goten a good look at him to see that he has differnt decals than the Autobots.

I didn't even get a good look at his decals in that episode even though I know they're on his wings from the previous episode.

There really is no reason at this point in the series humans should know anything about the difference between an Autobot and Decepticon logo.

In fact I don't think any human in any series has ever figured out what thoughs symbols mean.

I wanna see more of Sentinal Prime. All I seen of him so far is his head. I want to include a Sentinal Prime in my fan fiction and base my version loosely off him so I really need to see more of him.

There is his charecter scetch on this bord somewere.
And in TF Armada thet girl, alexis I think figured out that the Autobot symbole on Prime's truck mode looks different from the Cons symbole, so she got in.

[AxiomScion]

I wanna see more of Sentinal Prime. All I seen of him so far is his head. I want to include a Sentinal Prime in my fan fiction and base my version loosely off him so I really need to see more of him.

So far what we've seen of Sentinal Prime make's me dis-like him.

I didn't know you hated the Tick that much Stovo

I can't wait to see how Lockdown is gonna played in the next episode. That is, if he is the muscle car that'll be wreaking havoc in Detroit.

Lockdown will not disappoint, and You may get a little attached to IronKup... i mean ironhide

As I think I've said before they just get better (when a new TF is involved)

[Sabrblade]

Of course Lockdown won't be disappointing. I don't think any of the Decepticons will be. The only characters I can see being disappointing are the human villians, but that's only based on how the Archer was portrayed. Had we seenthe Meltdown episode I could judge better. We'll just have to wait and see.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

:shock: I didn't know you hated the Tick that much Stovo

I never liked the Tick

But really Ani-Sentinal reminds me of that blone college rich boy from all the 80's film.

All stuck up and sure of himself because he's been lucky his whole life.

[Saber Prime]

Meltdown just became a whole lot cooler now that I've realized his real name is Prometheus Black. I must see "Total Metdown", I've allready dubed him the coolest supervillain ever.

I allso notised Animated took another G1 that was never fully realized in the US and made it something much cooler. One of the human villains is called "The Headmaster" and apperently can combine with ANY transformer to form their head and actully take controll over their body that way.

I'm guessing some how all the Animated toys will have retractable heads to allow for this guy to combine with them. Some how I allso think what with the different sized Trasformers either The Headmaster will bee too big or too small for some characters. There might be multiple size versions of him or maybe they'll just toss a "The Headmaster" in with every toy? You know how Hasbro loves their gimics.

[Autobot032]

Total Meltdown won't be airing tomorrow, but it is on Time Warner Cable's KIDS! On Demand.

I just got done watching it. Excellent ep. Understandable as to why they cut it.

[Burn]

I'm guessing some how all the Animated toys will have retractable heads to allow for this guy to combine with them. Some how I allso think what with the different sized Trasformers either The Headmaster will bee too big or too small for some characters. There might be multiple size versions of him or maybe they'll just toss a "The Headmaster" in with every toy? You know how Hasbro loves their gimics.

If they make figures of human characters they'll probably just be Robot Heroes type figures.

I highly doubt they'd make all the TF toys have retractable heads just for one Headmaster. And I seriously hope they wouldn't as it seems pointless to put that much into a toy just for one Headmaster character.