The Energon Pub

[Shadowman]

Optimus was gonna gun down the defenseless Megatron. Hypocrite.

It's not hypocritical. There's a huge difference between a defenseless lifeform and Megatron. Because defenseless or otherwise, he's still Megatron, and his continued existence is a bad thing for Earth and the Autobots.

Megatron is a lifeform, and he was completely at Optimus's mercy in that instant. Optimus said that he doesn't condone the very actions he was considering doing. It's all part of his character development (finally, he gets some!).

No, Megatron is still Megatron. Even if Optimus doesn't tolerate executing defenseless and unarmed prisoners, he also can't tolerate Megatron's continued existence. Especially since Megatron's death would heavily shift the balance of the war to the Autobots favor.

Optimus wasn't being a hypocrite; his rule against executing defenseless prisoners just makes an exception for the one who started the war that destroyed his home world and killed most of the people he knew.

[njb902]

I agree with shadowman, but for a slightly different reason. Megatron can never be considered defenseless unless he has no arms, legs, and has spent all his munitions. Hell I bet he would kill with his frigging teeth if that's all he had left.

Now then.....this episode was fantastic, it had action and a good plot. I liked how they paced the action out, especially the Megs and insecticon fight it was so hyper fast.

Saberblade I don't think Dreadwing had a Gatling last episode either, believe it was the same pulse cannon.

So does it look like to anyone else that we are getting a 5th faction in the bugs?

[Noideaforaname]

Saying "absolutely NO killing of any defenseless lifeform" and then going to kill a defenseless lifeform IS hypocritical, no matter how you slice it. Optimus did not agree with killing a defenseless Starscream, despite the fact he'll probably cause trouble down the road. Optimus killing a defenseless Megatron because he'll probably cause trouble down the road runs counter to Optimus's mantra, and thus makes him a hypocrite.

This whole business reminds me unpleasantly of DotM's ending... Hopefully Prime plans on some character growth with this.

[Shockwave7]

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting kind of sick of the TF Prime writers' slobbering love affair with Airachnid. It was fine for the first couple of appearances, but having her able to destroy Knockout and nearly destroy Megatron? That's just getting ridiculous. Only with the writers' help could she possibly be this uber - for example:

1) She seems able to effortlessly dodge vast barrages of laser fire. It's like watching the old GI Joe cartoon when the Joes were being shot at with innumberable blasters, and NONE of them ever hit anything. It isn't any more believable with Airachnid than it was for them. Autobot or Decepticon, no one seems able to lay a finger on her. These are supposed to be elite troopers and crack shots and we're supposed to believe none of them know how to shoot, but only if it's her? Feh!

2) 'Oh gee, she went underground - we'll never catch her now!' Really, TF writers. Really. She's pulled the 'my spindly limbs can bore through solid rock' gag what - a dozen times now? And NONE of the other tformers have anticipated it? Every time she gets in anything even vaguely resembling a pinch, it's a couple seconds drilling and everyone else just stands around with their mouths open. 'Daaah! She go underground! We not see nothing like THAT before!' As many times as she's pulled that trick, Arcee should be totally on the spot, throwing grenades in the hole or filling the hole with lasers. (I'll set aside the fact that it's unrealistic for Airachnid to be able to drill so fast that she can be out of gun range in less than a second)

3) Webbing. So now her webbing can block Megatron's FUSION CANNON? Looks like the writers can also use it to jump sharks. And one STRAND of her webbing is impossible for Breakdown to snap? And holding ONE of his arms renders him totally helpless to stop Airachnid from dismembering him? The writers have been using the webbing as a dues ex machina for too long now. Arcee was able to break out when she was covered with it, but Dreadwing can't? A blast from Megatron's fusion cannon can blow through a giant Unicron drone's head, but it can't blast through a thin sheet of webbing?

So far the only attempt by the writers to humble Airachnid was the drubbing she got from Soundwave. So does that mean Soundwave is the most powerful of all the Transformers? Because no one else seems to be able to fight her, at least not the way the writers have been writing her lately.

And now they just let her stumble into a hive filled with gazillions of Insecticons. And of course, the writers will have her effortlessly take over the whole hive and they'll just roll over and make her their queen. They'll probably also fill them with dark energon, making them totally indestructible, and overrun the whole planet.

Yeesh. Why didn't the writers just make HER megatron and get it over with?

[njb902]

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting kind of sick of the TF Prime writers' slobbering love affair with Airachnid. It was fine for the first couple of appearances, but having her able to destroy Knockout and nearly destroy Megatron? That's just getting ridiculous. Only with the writers' help could she possibly be this uber - for example:

1) She seems able to effortlessly dodge vast barrages of laser fire. It's like watching the old GI Joe cartoon when the Joes were being shot at with innumberable blasters, and NONE of them ever hit anything. It isn't any more believable with Airachnid than it was for them. Autobot or Decepticon, no one seems able to lay a finger on her. These are supposed to be elite troopers and crack shots and we're supposed to believe none of them know how to shoot, but only if it's her? Feh!

2) 'Oh gee, she went underground - we'll never catch her now!' Really, TF writers. Really. She's pulled the 'my spindly limbs can bore through solid rock' gag what - a dozen times now? And NONE of the other tformers have anticipated it? Every time she gets in anything even vaguely resembling a pinch, it's a couple seconds drilling and everyone else just stands around with their mouths open. 'Daaah! She go underground! We not see nothing like THAT before!' As many times as she's pulled that trick, Arcee should be totally on the spot, throwing grenades in the hole or filling the hole with lasers. (I'll set aside the fact that it's unrealistic for Airachnid to be able to drill so fast that she can be out of gun range in less than a second)

3) Webbing. So now her webbing can block Megatron's FUSION CANNON? Looks like the writers can also use it to jump sharks. And one STRAND of her webbing is impossible for Breakdown to snap? And holding ONE of his arms renders him totally helpless to stop Airachnid from dismembering him? The writers have been using the webbing as a dues ex machina for too long now. Arcee was able to break out when she was covered with it, but Dreadwing can't? A blast from Megatron's fusion cannon can blow through a giant Unicron drone's head, but it can't blast through a thin sheet of webbing?

So far the only attempt by the writers to humble Airachnid was the drubbing she got from Soundwave. So does that mean Soundwave is the most powerful of all the Transformers? Because no one else seems to be able to fight her, at least not the way the writers have been writing her lately.

And now they just let her stumble into a hive filled with gazillions of Insecticons. And of course, the writers will have her effortlessly take over the whole hive and they'll just roll over and make her their queen. They'll probably also fill them with dark energon, making them totally indestructible, and overrun the whole planet.

Yeesh. Why didn't the writers just make HER megatron and get it over with?

I don't even know where to begin here so ill do it by bullet point.

1. She is a elite warrior as well why would it surprise you she is a fearsome opponent, plus breakdown went on his own like an idiot.

2. If it works it works. why should she not use a technique that apparently effective. although I agree about the not shooting at the outset of her using it.

3. Try firing a gun with a blocked barrel, please really try it.

As for not making her megs....well she isn't megs so um..

[njb902]

sorry about not fixing the title back.

[Sabrblade]

3) Webbing. So now her webbing can block Megatron's FUSION CANNON? Looks like the writers can also use it to jump sharks. And one STRAND of her webbing is impossible for Breakdown to snap? And holding ONE of his arms renders him totally helpless to stop Airachnid from dismembering him? The writers have been using the webbing as a dues ex machina for too long now. Arcee was able to break out when she was covered with it, but Dreadwing can't? A blast from Megatron's fusion cannon can blow through a giant Unicron drone's head, but it can't blast through a thin sheet of webbing?

That was NOT her webbing that caught his arm! That was a pair of web-like cables that MECH shot in an attempt to capture a Con. Notice Airachnid's surprised looks when she sees his arm stuck? MECH inadvertently gave Airachnid the opening she needed to to strike a fatal impaling upon Breakdown.

So far the only attempt by the writers to humble Airachnid was the drubbing she got from Soundwave. So does that mean Soundwave is the most powerful of all the Transformers? Because no one else seems to be able to fight her, at least not the way the writers have been writing her lately.

She lost a spider limb to Dreadwing and Breakdown this episode, and she was dragging herself away from both of them while injured. Like I said, MECH inadvertently aided her when Breakdown got got in their trap.

[R3-T7]

I thought that Optimus putting his gun to Megatron's head was one of the best moments in the episode. While I agree that he was being hypocritical, he was also being rational. The Cybertronians are at war, and Megatron has killed countless Autobots, especially if the War for Cybertron video games are considered. I love the fact that Transformers Prime's Optimus Prime is more complex then just "Mr. Perfect". It makes him feel like an actual leader and warrior, rather than just a run of the mill superhero. Plus the fact that he says one thing and then does another makes him less predictable and open to folly or even corruption, thus he becomes a much more interesting character.

[Scourgescream]

hat was NOT her webbing that caught his arm! That was a pair of web-like cables that MECH shot in an attempt to capture a Con. Notice Airachnid's surprised looks when she sees his arm stuck?

I thought that MECH just happened to be in the area on manoeuvres and lucked upon Breakdowns remains. I could be wrong but it was just one piece of webbing not two and i thought it was the Insecticon's webbing, but i'm not sure

[Aximalli_Prime]

My only question is: where was Wheeljack the whole time? They made a point of showing that he was staying on Earth last episode.

[crazyjeffy]

My only question is: where was Wheeljack the whole time? They made a point of showing that he was staying on Earth last episode.

THANK YOU! I'd love to see WJ vs Airachnid. I'm almost as sick of her as I am of Bee.

[Scourgescream]

Bee needs to take a dirt nap and pronto

[Shadowman]

My only question is: where was Wheeljack the whole time? They made a point of showing that he was staying on Earth last episode.

It was at the end of the last episode, he's on Earth but he isn't staying with the Autobots.

[Twitchythe3rd]

Bee needs to take a dirt nap and pronto

I ain't crazy about him either, but I wouldn't take it that far.

Just giving him his slaggin' voice back would do just fine.

[BeastProwl]

OK, that was great.
But poor Breakdown, RIP, you shall be missed.
As for Megatron's clogged barrel problem? Couldn't he just have deployed his blade?

[Cheesinator]

Urgh, Airachnid. Aside from the bitch-slapping she received from Soundwave, she's in constant god-mode (yeah, she got injured in this ep, but she then proceeded to easily kill a main character and almost have Megatron scrapped), and now she has a super-army at her beck and call.

Shame about Breakdown, though no one can argue that he was an especially engaging character. I'm more saddened by the series losing Adam Baldwin than Breakdown, especially since it seems like the writers just killed him as part of a gambit to make Airachnid look cooler.

The series has already turned Starscream into a joke; I do hope the entire Decepticon side isn't eclipsed by Airachnid and her awesomeness.

[Sabrblade]

(yeah, she got injured in this ep, but she then proceeded to easily kill a main character

Only thanks to an unplanned intervention by MECH. They trapped Breakdown's arm, inadvertently allowing Airachnid free to strike the killing blow.

[Cheesinator]

(yeah, she got injured in this ep, but she then proceeded to easily kill a main character

Only thanks to an unplanned intervention by MECH. They trapped Breakdown's arm, inadvertently allowing Airachnid free to strike the killing blow.

Ah, true, I didn't notice that initially.

In which case, she shifts from being a god-mody character to one with a fairly impressive character-shield. She's still fairly untouchable in the show (trumped only by Soundwave, but since he's not constantly up in everyone's grill, it's not nearly as obnoxious).

[Scourgescream]

Only thanks to an unplanned intervention by MECH. They trapped Breakdown's arm, inadvertently allowing Airachnid free to strike the killing blow.

Still not convinced it was MECH who trapped Breakdown's arm. They would have used more than one strand i think.

[Cheesinator]

They do specifically state that their manoeuvres yielded unexpected results. Their appearance in the episode doesn't really serve any other purpose than to confirm they shot that...web...thing.

It can't really have been anyone else, since the Insecticon wasn't under Airachnid's control then.

[Shadowman]

As for Megatron's clogged barrel problem? Couldn't he just have deployed his blade?

I'm pretty sure he did. It didn't cut off the webbing, though.

[BeastProwl]

As for Megatron's clogged barrel problem? Couldn't he just have deployed his blade?

I'm pretty sure he did. It didn't cut off the webbing, though.

Ahh. Still, you'd think he'd have a backup in his other arm or something, you know, being megatron and all. Some little "pew pew" laser or something.

[njb902]

As for Megatron's clogged barrel problem? Couldn't he just have deployed his blade?

I'm pretty sure he did. It didn't cut off the webbing, though.

Ahh. Still, you'd think he'd have a backup in his other arm or something, you know, being megatron and all. Some little "pew pew" laser or something.

perhaps not though megs does have an ego the size of a fusion cannon.

also would not suprise me if the power requirements for his fusion cannon are to great for him to have other directed energy weapons.

[Lord Manhammer '74]

While I can see some reason for the complaints about Arachnid's being such a destructive force able to kick anyone's butt like Chuck Norris. Thing we should remember, from the first time we were introduced to her, she's always been an apex predator. Autobot. Decepticon. Anything else that moved.She has had decades, if not centuries to hone her hunting skills. Now that may sound like a bit of a slobbering love affair with her. But since her intro, and what I've gathered from the way Arcee was feaked out when she learned the Predator was on Earth. The way the other Decepticons were ready to cede to her command at the end of Season One before Soundwave stepped in. Her reputation seemed to open a few doors for her.

And from the way I sasw it, MECH had just came onto the scene of Breakdown's breakdown after the fact. The MECH operatives had just shown up investigating the Energon readings they had detected. Breakdown's inert form was just a bonus.

And someone mentioned on another forum the Insecticon hive might be another Decep's plan. Maybe....SHOCKWAVEwill be making his presecence known ?

[Sabrblade]

And let's not forget that Soundwave is not the only one to have beaten down on Airachnid. Episode episode 20, it was Bumblebee who bested her then. Bumblebee! Little nothing Bumblebee who sucker punched her right square in the face!