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Gave the Decepticons the Iacon Database, setting up the main premise for the rest of the whole season. And introduced the Insecticons (well, one, at least).PrymeStriker wrote:At least season one didn't reset the status quo every other episode. Orion Pax,
Was what got Starscream to lose his to MECH, thus kicking Project: Chimera into further development and putting Starscream is the position that resulted in his season 2 character arc. That two-parter also introduced the Forge.PrymeStriker wrote:Bumblebee's missing T-cog,
Was never a plot, but a plot device. It served its purpose well enough, getting Starscream all four Omega Keys, and assisting in the final chapter of his season 2 arc.PrymeStriker wrote:red energon,
This one I'll give you, but it did last for much more than one episode. And, considering that one episode has him still out cold and the next has him up and about while limping, I like to think that some time went by between eps off screen (time that I would have liked to have seen, since Fowler made it a point to have Optimus keep him updated on Bulkhead's condition, yet he disappeared until well after Bulkhead was already awakePrymeStriker wrote:Bulkhead's shot in the back, all met and extinguished immediately.
You could say the exact same about:PrymeStriker wrote:Yeah, we got the Omega Keys. How long did that last; six episodes? Then they were destroyed in the Omega Lock's combustion. What a pathetic waste. Pointless.
I'll also give you Breakdown, but considering that nothing was really even done with him in season 1 after "Operation Breakdown", I say he was wasted material long before season 2.PrymeStriker wrote:Breakdown was a waste too: "Something awful's going to happen here, OH he's dead........wait, he's back aga-and he's dead again."
Cliffjumper, Skyquake, Makeshift. All guest stars and plot devices, just like Hardshell.PrymeStriker wrote:Hardshell was a joke,
Really? One would think that upon learning the truth about his brother's fate, there'd be no way he could give proper vengeance without getting off easy from a master he no longer wished to serve, especially when said master had just recently decided not to tolerate any insurrection due to their forces needing to be united.PrymeStriker wrote:and then there's the outrage of Deadwing.
Guess they should have written "...unless we're not done developing the character," as an addendum.PrymeStriker wrote:Heaven forbid any Autobot die. "Nobody's safe from death" my exhaust port.
"Resulting in Starscream losing his, setting him up for his development in the rest of the season."PrymeStriker wrote:Yeah, season one was "random," but is a season's arc all that matters in a cartoon? How about continuity? If something happened one episode, they didn’t fix or forget about it in the next. Prime examples of this during season two are Operation: Bumblebee and The Human Factor. “Oh no, Bumblebee lost his T-and it’s fixed.”
Twas the MECH story arc finale.PrymeStriker wrote:“Silas in critical condi-and he’s back. Why did he kill his te-oh, that’s wh-and he’s screwed again.”
Yet, he was still sidelined after that episode, showing up in battle only once, with his eyepatch episode being hardly anything important.PrymeStriker wrote:Season one was better at handling this. Breakdown didn't get his eye back at the end of Operation: Breakdown. Instead, he was given an eyepatch.
Because it wasn't a filler. It was supposed to develop the story, by making June aware of Team Prime's existence.PrymeStriker wrote:Crisscross didn’t pull a Men In Black and have June forget everything she saw. Instead, June became the first human after the pilot to learn about the Autobots.
And I respectfully disagree since, in my opinion, every episode of season 2 had something relevant that added to the plot and furthered the story in some way, whereas season 1 dragged its feet and went in various directions with little guidance and barely any idea with what it wanted to do, swerving hard into a sudden Unicron story that felt dropped in from out of nowhere.PrymeStriker wrote:Tl;dr, season one’s better IMO because it didn’t waste [as many] characters or reset the status quo every time. Season two had its highlights, but the majority of its arc were gigantic disappointments and wastes of potential, both in character and plot.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
PrymeStriker wrote:Yeah, we got the Omega Keys. How long did that last; six episodes? Then they were destroyed in the Omega Lock's combustion. What a pathetic waste. Pointless.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:PrymeStriker wrote:Yeah, we got the Omega Keys. How long did that last; six episodes? Then they were destroyed in the Omega Lock's combustion. What a pathetic waste. Pointless.
What else was supposed to be done? Throw them all away and find them again? They served their purpose.
But of course, destroying them reset the status quo. Assuming Darkmount was always there, and Jasper was always a half-demolished ghost-town, and the Autobot base was always a smoldering ruin.
Shadowman wrote:What else was supposed to be done?
Assuming Darkmount was always there,
and Jasper was always a half-demolished ghost-town,
and the Autobot base was always a smoldering ruin.
Sabrblade wrote:Gave the Decepticons the Iacon Database, setting up the main premise for the rest of the whole season. And introduced the Insecticons (well, one, at least).PrymeStriker wrote:At least season one didn't reset the status quo every other episode. Orion Pax,
Was what got Starscream to lose his to MECH, thus kicking Project: Chimera into further development and putting Starscream is the position that resulted in his season 2 character arc.
That two-parter also introduced the Forge.
This one I'll give you, but it did last for much more than one episode. And, considering that one episode has him still out cold and the next has him up and about while limping, I like to think that some time went by between eps off screen (time that I would have liked to have seen, since Fowler made it a point to have Optimus keep him updated on Bulkhead's condition, yet he disappeared until well after Bulkhead was already awake).
You could say the exact same about:
Unicron in season 1.
[*]The Hate Plague in G1 season 3.
I'll also give you Breakdown, but considering that nothing was really even done with him in season 1 after "Operation Breakdown", I say he was wasted material long before season 2.
Cliffjumper, Skyquake, Makeshift. All guest stars and plot devices, just like Hardshell.[/quote]PrymeStriker wrote:Hardshell was a joke,
Really? One would think that upon learning the truth about his brother's fate, there'd be no way he could give proper vengeance without getting off easy from a master he no longer wished to serve, especially when said master had just recently decided not to tolerate any insurrection due to their forces needing to be united.[/quote]PrymeStriker wrote:and then there's the outrage of Deadwing.
Guess they should have written "...unless we're not done developing the character," as an addendum.PrymeStriker wrote:Heaven forbid any Autobot die. "Nobody's safe from death" my exhaust port.
BTW, do you recall where this original statement was given? I can't remember and I'd like to take a look at it again.
Twas the MECH story arc finale.PrymeStriker wrote:“Silas in critical condi-and he’s back. Why did he kill his te-oh, that’s wh-and he’s screwed again.”
And really, MECH barely ever struck a presence with me at all in this show. The only times they ever seemed to be of any real importance to the plot were in the "Operation: Bumblebee" two-parter (with their coming out victorious w/ Starscream's T-Cog) and "Nemesis Prime" with Project: Chimera complete. Every other time they showed up made them feel like either guest stars or got outshown by the Decepticons.
Yet, he was still sidelined after that episode, showing up in battle only once, with his eyepatch episode being hardly anything important.PrymeStriker wrote:Season one was better at handling this. Breakdown didn't get his eye back at the end of Operation: Breakdown. Instead, he was given an eyepatch.
And I respectfully disagree since, in my opinion, every episode of season 2 had something relevant that added to the plot and furthered the story in some way, whereas season 1 dragged its feet and went in various directions with little guidance and barely any idea with what it wanted to do, swerving hard into a sudden Unicron story that felt dropped in from out of nowhere.
Looking at season 1 as a whole, you can tell from its beginning to its middle and end that it wanted to tell a story about Dark Energon and its secrets that would ultimately lead to the revelation of Unicron at the Earth's core. But, the season only seemed to ever have this in mind at just its beginning, its exact middle, and its end. The rest of the season kept introducing and focusing on other unrelated concepts and plot threads that were all over the place, and mostly either left dangling or not explored as much until the second season.
Whereas season 2 feels tight and contained, building upon a lot of what came before and enhancing it, as well as staying on task with its primary objectives: To collect all the Iacon Relics sent by Alpha Trion, to have Project: Chimera continued and completed, to develop Dreadwing as a character, and to develop a vulnerable, humbled Starscream who has lost everything. And, it did all that, and more. There's not a single episode of season 2 that I would do without, not even the clip shows as "Grill" introduced Project Damocles (which would be the final plot device to bring the MECH subplot to a close) and "Patch" got both Starscream back in Megatron's ranks and Dreadwing aware of the truth surrounding Skyquake.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
If it were Optimus who had control of the thing, he would have done just that. But this is Megatron we're talking about here. Mr. glory hound who does things to spite others for his own selfishness. It's his fault that the keys and lock got damaged, cuz he wasted the opportunity to save his home planet by instead choosing to both belittle his rival and aim the lock's power at another planet to feed his greed. Earth and everyone on it was dying, Optimus had to act and shut it off as fast as possible, by ANY means necessary.PrymeStriker wrote:Shadowman wrote:What else was supposed to be done?
Oh, I don't know.....
Do what they were supposed to do in the first damn place and restore Cybertron?
Four episodes is about right for a decent-length story arc of a 13-episode season without feeling overbearing or intrusive on other plot threads to come. and with Darkmount out of the way, that means there's something else, something more coming to end the series with. Darkmount was obviously just a red herring.PrymeStriker wrote:Assuming Darkmount was always there,
Again, that was destroyed within four episodes. Another pathetic waste. Lasted as long as Bulkhead's "critical" injury.
Only if they do a time skip, which doesn't seem fitting for this serialized format that the show currently uses.PrymeStriker wrote:and Jasper was always a half-demolished ghost-town,
Yeah, watch how long that lasts.
It's not just their having a roof over their had that matters. It's the resources, which they now lack a great number of. Primarily, they don't have a space bridge/GroundBridge anymore.PrymeStriker wrote:and the Autobot base was always a smoldering ruin.
They'll find another base. They technically have already.
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Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:And, if the hangar they were in at the end of episode 56 is gonna be their new base, the Cons can pretty easily deduce that they're based in Washington D.C., making the Bots more vulnerable now that the Cons would know where they are all the time.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
A red herring to throw off suspicion of the real season 2 kickstarter.PrymeStriker wrote:Yep.........but Optimus restored rather quickly,
Didn't have to. 26 episodes of lasting impact is long enough, and makes season 2 unique in its own right.PrymeStriker wrote:and the Iacon Database didn't last outside the second season
When Knock Out returned from his searching for the discarded relics on Cybertron, he told Megatron he had found "Somethings... and, someone." Note the plurality of "Somethings".PrymeStriker wrote:as most of the relics we can assume were destroyed (assumption made only because we only saw the Apex Armor be recovered from Cybertron's wreckage; not solid grounds, though).
It's no different than episode 43 introducing Shockwave in advance of his proper use in season 3. Its early introduction foreshadowed its future use.PrymeStriker wrote:Which wasn't put to use for 16 episodes, only to be drained of power 9 episodes later.
I do like that idea, but then we wouldn't have gotten that very cool Bulkhead vs. Dreadwing battle.PrymeStriker wrote:I would've personally liked for Bulkhead to have returned in the season finale. That would've made his injury last 9 or 10 episodes, a little more than Megatron's stasis lock.
Source?PrymeStriker wrote:I heard he was returning this season?
So the Hate Plague gets a pass but what about the others?PrymeStriker wrote:G1 wasn't that great of a series. I'd expect as much.
Agreed. Even season 1 could have done that.PrymeStriker wrote:They could've at least expanded on Breakdown & Bulkhead's rivalry instead of leaving that to Takara's toy bios.
Poetic justice.PrymeStriker wrote:Hardshell was a joke because he shot Bulkhead, claimed glory (c wut i did thar?), and got killed by a 14-year-old girl, and his victim still survived.
Not our fault some people just can't understand the character.PrymeStriker wrote:"Outrage" by the fandom.
Starscream's probably the most developed at this point.PrymeStriker wrote:They're doing a terrible job of developing characters as of the present.
Take your time.PrymeStriker wrote:I'll find it eventually too tired right now.
Agreed. I think they were just supposed to be a "concept" for fanwank (i.e. - "human antagonists") rather than any real characterized entity that mattered outside of plot development.PrymeStriker wrote:They didn't touch on them enough and decided to end their arc without doing so.
Just goes to show how unimportant and underused (in BOTH seasons) Breakdown was compared to Bee and Screamer.PrymeStriker wrote:He still didn't get his eye back. Unlike Starscream and Bumblebee who eventually got their missing parts back.
'Guess Breakdown didn't live long enough.
PrymeStriker wrote:You have your point. Meh, diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.
Wow, that's a dirty yet boring answer.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:When Knock Out returned from his searching for the discarded relics on Cybertron, he told Megatron he had found "Somethings... and, someone." Note the plurality of "Somethings".PrymeStriker wrote:as most of the relics we can assume were destroyed (assumption made only because we only saw the Apex Armor be recovered from Cybertron's wreckage; not solid grounds, though).![]()
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Sabrblade wrote:Source?
Besides, Jack (Darby) almost killed Airachnid.![]()
Starscream's probably the most developed at this point.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Eh, he still seems mostly the same and that's honestly a good thing. He's already likeable, so best to develop him gradually.PrymeStriker wrote:Smokescreen has developed quite a bit since his debut, but it probably would’ve been better if he was a season one character like they had originally planned.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Dare I say that he's the most and best developed character in the whole show?
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Superwheeljack wrote:Never mind... Is there an image of Magnus vehicle mode? Is it just like the toy?
Superwheeljack wrote:Never mind... Is there an image of Magnus vehicle mode? Is it just like the toy?
viruscarnage wrote:Superwheeljack wrote:Never mind... Is there an image of Magnus vehicle mode? Is it just like the toy?
I will have 1 in about 7 mins as I am downloading the episode now
Superwheeljack wrote:viruscarnage wrote:Superwheeljack wrote:Never mind... Is there an image of Magnus vehicle mode? Is it just like the toy?
I will have 1 in about 7 mins as I am downloading the episode now
Is it on YouTube?
viruscarnage wrote:Superwheeljack wrote:viruscarnage wrote:Superwheeljack wrote:Never mind... Is there an image of Magnus vehicle mode? Is it just like the toy?
I will have 1 in about 7 mins as I am downloading the episode now
Is it on YouTube?
No on TFW2005 they post download links for the episode.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
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