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william-james88 wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The next step I suppose, from the overt sexualising of Transformers that has always bugged me, since Blackarachnia in Beast Wars. Yet also a thing that is both redundant to Alien Robots and will date this show horribly, in retrospect.
I just want to make sure I understand what is meant here, does this post imply that someone identifying as non binary is something that exists now and will not in the future?
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Dr. Caelus wrote:How is asking to be referred to as "they" sexualising?I wrote:The next step I suppose, from the overt sexualising
Further human gender identities, being erroneously applied to mechanical sentience.Dr. Caelus wrote:And how is it redundant to aliens?I wrote:Alien Robots
Nonbinary: an umbrella term for gender identities that are not solely male or female—identities that are outside the gender binary.
They are Robots. Constructs, by various means. Humanising should only go so far. Otherwise you end up at Kissplayers.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I didn't say I was upset. I've always found excessive humanising of Transformers creepy. Just as I found sexualising the designs of Transformers Very creepy.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I didn't say I was upset. I've always found excessive humanising of Transformers creepy. Just as I found sexualising the designs of Transformers Very creepy.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I didn't say I was upset. I've always found excessive humanising of Transformers creepy. Just as I found sexualising the designs of Transformers Very creepy.
Dr. Caelus wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I didn't say I was upset. I've always found excessive humanising of Transformers creepy. Just as I found sexualising the designs of Transformers Very creepy.
So an alien identifying as "he" or "she" is an appropriate amount of humanizing, but an alien not identifying as a he or a she is an excessive amount of humanizing.
[Of course, all of this disregards the fact Nightshade isn' an alien to begon with.]
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
First-Aid wrote:Dr. Caelus wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I didn't say I was upset. I've always found excessive humanising of Transformers creepy. Just as I found sexualising the designs of Transformers Very creepy.
So an alien identifying as "he" or "she" is an appropriate amount of humanizing, but an alien not identifying as a he or a she is an excessive amount of humanizing.
[Of course, all of this disregards the fact Nightshade isn' an alien to begon with.]
Humanizing in this case may be done, not by the bots, but by the humans for ease of communication. We're used to certain verbal cues with communication. The bots may simply have adopted it as an easier way to communicate.
Dr. Caelus wrote:First-Aid wrote:Dr. Caelus wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I didn't say I was upset. I've always found excessive humanising of Transformers creepy. Just as I found sexualising the designs of Transformers Very creepy.
So an alien identifying as "he" or "she" is an appropriate amount of humanizing, but an alien not identifying as a he or a she is an excessive amount of humanizing.
[Of course, all of this disregards the fact Nightshade isn' an alien to begon with.]
Humanizing in this case may be done, not by the bots, but by the humans for ease of communication. We're used to certain verbal cues with communication. The bots may simply have adopted it as an easier way to communicate.
I think Hasbro's official line is that Transformers instinctively adapt to their social environment, rapidly learning new languages and customs, and that includes the concept of identifying with another race's gender roles. They then bring those ideas back to Cybertron, where some of it gets passed around and adopted by those who never had direct contact with a gendered race.
Although, again, this isn't really relevant to Nightshade.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
First-Aid wrote:I'm still mad they are using "they" as a singular. IT'S PLURAL DAMNIT! MORE THAN ONE! LERN UR GRAMMER!!!
Dr. Caelus wrote:First-Aid wrote:I'm still mad they are using "they" as a singular. IT'S PLURAL DAMNIT! MORE THAN ONE! LERN UR GRAMMER!!!
It annoys me when people say "you" when they mean "y'all", but language is fluid.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
First-Aid wrote:Dr. Caelus wrote:First-Aid wrote:I'm still mad they are using "they" as a singular. IT'S PLURAL DAMNIT! MORE THAN ONE! LERN UR GRAMMER!!!
It annoys me when people say "you" when they mean "y'all", but language is fluid.
Interestingly enough, "you" actually CAN be singular and plural according to Webster's.
Dr. Caelus wrote:First-Aid wrote:Dr. Caelus wrote:First-Aid wrote:I'm still mad they are using "they" as a singular. IT'S PLURAL DAMNIT! MORE THAN ONE! LERN UR GRAMMER!!!
It annoys me when people say "you" when they mean "y'all", but language is fluid.
Interestingly enough, "you" actually CAN be singular and plural according to Webster's.
I know. I was joking. I assumed you were as well.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
Sabrblade wrote:FWIW, "genders" =/= "sexes".
It's possible the show didn't want to risk making Optimus sound insensitive by having him make an assumption about Nightshade before being corrected afterward. Having him simply wonder about it upfront avoided that chance of insensitivity.Dr. Caelus wrote:Thinking about it more, I wish the conversation in the show had been more like:
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:It's possible the show didn't want to risk making Optimus sound insensitive by having him make an assumption about Nightshade before being corrected afterward. Having him simply wonder about it upfront avoided that chance of insensitivity.Dr. Caelus wrote:Thinking about it more, I wish the conversation in the show had been more like:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:You must remember that for a good portion of the fandom, episodes 1 and 2 are the only ones available, so if you can please extend a courtesy spoiler tag for details past those episodes, mostly for plot and some character related items.
Dr. Caelus wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:You must remember that for a good portion of the fandom, episodes 1 and 2 are the only ones available, so if you can please extend a courtesy spoiler tag for details past those episodes, mostly for plot and some character related items.
Honestly, it's killing me not to talk about tbe Beast Machines influences seeded in the pilot and then built on on further towards the end of the season.
Technoorganics!
Bots that don't need energon!
Caves full of magic water!
Possible connections to the quintessons!
First-Aid wrote:Dr. Caelus wrote:First-Aid wrote:Dr. Caelus wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I didn't say I was upset. I've always found excessive humanising of Transformers creepy. Just as I found sexualising the designs of Transformers Very creepy.
So an alien identifying as "he" or "she" is an appropriate amount of humanizing, but an alien not identifying as a he or a she is an excessive amount of humanizing.
[Of course, all of this disregards the fact Nightshade isn' an alien to begon with.]
Humanizing in this case may be done, not by the bots, but by the humans for ease of communication. We're used to certain verbal cues with communication. The bots may simply have adopted it as an easier way to communicate.
I think Hasbro's official line is that Transformers instinctively adapt to their social environment, rapidly learning new languages and customs, and that includes the concept of identifying with another race's gender roles. They then bring those ideas back to Cybertron, where some of it gets passed around and adopted by those who never had direct contact with a gendered race.
Although, again, this isn't really relevant to Nightshade.
In the end, it's a cartoon. I'm still mad they are using "they" as a singular. IT'S PLURAL DAMNIT! MORE THAN ONE! LERN UR GRAMMER!!!
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