The Energon Pub

[william-james88]

I love that picture. Sadly though it really reinforces how that CW Blastoff looks nothing like the character model from the sunbow cartoon.

THAT'S supposed to be blast-off

I thought it was mindwipe or something based on his arms, wow, the g1 toy definitely did it no favors

Nope, but Takara totally is, look at the beautiful arms in the toy sketches:



I am praying to multiple gods that this issue isnt a TTmall exclusive.

[Hellscream9999]

I love that picture. Sadly though it really reinforces how that CW Blastoff looks nothing like the character model from the sunbow cartoon.

THAT'S supposed to be blast-off

I thought it was mindwipe or something based on his arms, wow, the g1 toy definitely did it no favors

Nope, but Takara totally is, look at the beautiful arms in the toy sketches:



I am praying to multiple gods that this issue isnt a TTmall exclusive.

It absolutely will be; or maybe they'll switch things up, paint a monkey on it, and sell the deluxe for $200 alongside optimus primal

[Rodimus Prime]

I don't mean to throw the conversation off the Combaticons, but I have a question: how many of you consider the CW figures as "G1" as far as them being designed after the originals, as well as having their names/characters? What I mean is, if a casual fan asks you, "do you have any toys of G1 characters?" you can just point to the CW figures.

[william-james88]

I don't mean to throw the conversation off the Combaticons, but I have a question: how many of you consider the CW figures as "G1" as far as them being designed after the originals, as well as having their names/characters? What I mean is, if a casual fan asks you, "do you have any toys of G1 characters?" you can just point to the CW figures.

Yes, I consider them G1, though I feel the Arialbots and Protectobots are more representations of them in the show while the stunticons are more using the neo classic aesthetic of not respecting alt modes and making them more contemporary.

[Hellscream9999]

I don't mean to throw the conversation off the Combaticons, but I have a question: how many of you consider the CW figures as "G1" as far as them being designed after the originals, as well as having their names/characters? What I mean is, if a casual fan asks you, "do you have any toys of G1 characters?" you can just point to the CW figures.

I'd say so. I mean, wasn't that the point of these guys? They're as G1 as possible (within the confines of hasbro's set guidelines for developing these figures) while updating every aspect of them.

[RAcast]

The review says it's a new gun, but it looks like the same flamethrower as Firefly/Slingshot to me. Anyone able to confirm if it's new or not? Can't see it clearly on this screen.

I had to dig out my weapons for the Aerialbots. I was mistaken in the video, they are reused weapons. Sorry for the confusion

Actually, it IS new. It has a hole on the bottom of the foot, used to plug in to the top of Brawl. You can clearly see there is a peg to flip up from the back of the turret that the foot can plug into like the one on top of Rook.

Also, I am in utter disbelief that the torso would not lock into place. It looked like it wasn;t clicked back far enough.

I have to second this. Are we absolutely sure that it doesn't accordion in? It really looks like it should...

[Hellscream9999]

The review says it's a new gun, but it looks like the same flamethrower as Firefly/Slingshot to me. Anyone able to confirm if it's new or not? Can't see it clearly on this screen.

I had to dig out my weapons for the Aerialbots. I was mistaken in the video, they are reused weapons. Sorry for the confusion

Actually, it IS new. It has a hole on the bottom of the foot, used to plug in to the top of Brawl. You can clearly see there is a peg to flip up from the back of the turret that the foot can plug into like the one on top of Rook.

Also, I am in utter disbelief that the torso would not lock into place. It looked like it wasn;t clicked back far enough.

I have to second this. Are we absolutely sure that it doesn't accordion in? It really looks like it should...

No, we aren't, it's the only review of the figure so far...

[no-one]

I don't mean to throw the conversation off the Combaticons, but I have a question: how many of you consider the CW figures as "G1" as far as them being designed after the originals, as well as having their names/characters? What I mean is, if a casual fan asks you, "do you have any toys of G1 characters?" you can just point to the CW figures.

Well, yes, of course they are designed after the original G1 characters. Some of the CW line does tilt more towards the current IDW comics. I'm not a comic or G1 historian so I'm not sure if there is a line or where it's drawn, when something technically stops being "G1".

But the way you worded the question

What I mean is, if a casual fan asks you, "do you have any toys of G1 characters?"

Leaves it pretty opened ended. Would I consider them toys of G1 characters. Well yes, but so are my Loyal Subject figures. An Optimus Prime plush would be a toy of a G1 character.

To the best of my limited TF knowledge the CW toys are based on the current comics that are based on the "G1" stories (comics and TV?).

So Rodster, what are your driving at here? I feel there is more to this discussion than meets the eys...

[Cobotron]

Ya, I'm leaning towards Cary's answers/questions. If I was asked if I have any toys of G1 characters, I would make a big sweeping motion with my arms in the direction of my entire collection. If I was asked, do you have any G1 toys, I would point to a specific shelf.

I feel like CW is right in line with what started with Classics. Some call it updated, or neo, or re-imagined. There is no doubt that CW is heavily G1 based in design. Leaning hard on IDW aesthetic for some characters and defaulting to the G1 toys for others.

I would like to hear more about what you are getting at Rodders.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I don't mean to throw the conversation off the Combaticons, but I have a question: how many of you consider the CW figures as "G1" as far as them being designed after the originals, as well as having their names/characters? What I mean is, if a casual fan asks you, "do you have any toys of G1 characters?" you can just point to the CW figures.

I consider them G1. If things were the exact same as G1 then we would get blocks with some articulation and some nice heads. But these guys take the blockiness and turn it into different shapes that look more like formed up beings. Plus they have beautiful heads. And they are based on G1 characters from IDW, so all around they are G1 to me

[Ultra Markus]

in the the world of transformers scale doesnt matter
i was told that fortress maximus was so huge that he was way bigger than metroplex but some how cerebros was about the same size as optimus prime that would make for a tiny head, right! unless you forget scale
so some how everything just magically fits together. maybe blastoff is a regular size space shuttle and some how magically fits as an arm for bruticus if that's how it is so be it!

[william-james88]

Someone posted this pic on twitter of how betatron would look combined in finalized production:



Also, for this whole Blastoff discussion, everyone is free to like and preffer something, or to be happy with what they have. But its statements like "well this makes more sense" that make me shrug. There is no sense to anything in this wonderful brand and mythology. The only real logic is in the business behind it and cost and that is all this Blastoff is a product of.

[albnok]

So it appears that Betatron is considered in the same Combiner Wars team as Wave 1 Optimus Prime.

https://www.facebook.com/DaimChocReports/photos/pcb.173241096359659/173240826359686/?type=3&theater

Note the color around the 3, and the color of the Betatron name.

Meanwhile, the Combaticons get a nice mud-like green.

[RAcast]

What a...wonderful...wash of red.

[Hellscream9999]

What a...wonderful...rash Superion has

Yeah, that is hideous; bet those cases will be sitting in bbts' warehouse for quite some time, as I don't think anyone will want this, once better in-hand pics drop; I get the feeling his are going to be pics that become more disappointing and hideous with each one.

[Sabrblade]

Hey look! Bruticus's chestplate is toy-accurate silver!

THAT'S supposed to be blast-off

Yep.

Miscolored a bit, though.

I thought it was mindwipe or something based on his arms, wow, the g1 toy definitely did it no favors

Mindwipe didn't exist yet (this is from the start of season 3).

Though, all the Combaticons did have earlier designs that were closer to their toys than the final ones were (except for their heads, which in these earlier designs appear to be completely new heads instead of anything like the toy heads):

I don't mean to throw the conversation off the Combaticons, but I have a question: how many of you consider the CW figures as "G1" as far as them being designed after the originals, as well as having their names/characters? What I mean is, if a casual fan asks you, "do you have any toys of G1 characters?" you can just point to the CW figures.

I don't consider them toys that represent every specific iteration of the Primax characters, but I do consider them toys of the Primax characters in a general sense, at the very least.

The review says it's a new gun, but it looks like the same flamethrower as Firefly/Slingshot to me. Anyone able to confirm if it's new or not? Can't see it clearly on this screen.

I had to dig out my weapons for the Aerialbots. I was mistaken in the video, they are reused weapons. Sorry for the confusion

Actually, it IS new. It has a hole on the bottom of the foot, used to plug in to the top of Brawl. You can clearly see there is a peg to flip up from the back of the turret that the foot can plug into like the one on top of Rook.

Also, I am in utter disbelief that the torso would not lock into place. It looked like it wasn;t clicked back far enough.

I have to second this. Are we absolutely sure that it doesn't accordion in? It really looks like it should...

The original post was talking about Blast Off's gun, not Brawl's.

in the the world of transformers scale doesnt matter
i was told that fortress maximus was so huge that he was way bigger than metroplex but some how cerebros was about the same size as optimus prime that would make for a tiny head, right! unless you forget scale
so some how everything just magically fits together. maybe blastoff is a regular size space shuttle and some how magically fits as an arm for bruticus if that's how it is so be it!

The same applies to things like Megatron and Soundwave being full sized giant robots who transform into human-sized handheld objects (a gun and a tape player). Characters grow and shrink in size while transforming all the time.

[Hellscream9999]

Hey look! Bruticus's chestplate is toy-accurate silver!

THAT'S supposed to be blast-off

Yep.

Miscolored a bit, though.

Yeah, never knew which episode it was from, but I don't remember them ever giving anyone that much detail, but that purple really puts it over the edge as looking like someone else

[Ultra Markus]

in the the world of transformers scale doesnt matter
i was told that fortress maximus was so huge that he was way bigger than metroplex but some how cerebros was about the same size as optimus prime that would make for a tiny head, right! unless you forget scale
so some how everything just magically fits together. maybe blastoff is a regular size space shuttle and some how magically fits as an arm for bruticus if that's how it is so be it!

The same applies to things like Megatron and Soundwave being full sized giant robots who transform into human-sized handheld objects (a gun and a tape player). Characters grow and shrink in size while transforming all the time.[/quote]
absolutly! whether the size for human hands or decepticons hands
and by the same logic bumble bee can be as big as metroplex if he wants to be

[Sabrblade]

and by the same logic bumble bee can be as big as metroplex if he wants to be

Except that the size of Bumblebee's altmode isn't disproportionate to the size of his robot mode. He doesn't change size when he transforms since his altmode size is already scaled close enough to his robot mode size.

Conversely, Cerebros in the cartoon (and his Japanese counterpart Fortress) gets bigger when he transforms into a head because the body his head mode attaches to is so enormously huge due to it transforming into an entire city.



The comic versions of Fort Max didn't utilize the City Mode, so Fort Max was smaller in those versions, being closer to a normal-sized TF.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Optibotimus put up an update video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlULI_8p_4M

Basically, he shows that Brawl is the victim of bad design and that he was not mistransformed.

[Gunmetal]

Hey look! Bruticus's chestplate is toy-accurate silver!

THAT'S supposed to be blast-off

Yep.

Miscolored a bit, though.

Yeah, never knew which episode it was from, but I don't remember them ever giving anyone that much detail, but that purple really puts it over the edge as looking like someone else

I love how the only elements of the toy that they included are the head, the wings on the legs, and the toy-style landing wheels!

[Hellscream9999]

Optibotimus put up an update video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlULI_8p_4M

Basically, he shows that Brawl is the victim of bad design and that he was not mistransformed.

What a load of blatant bs, that's a serious d!ck slap to the face to all the fans, 1 of 2 new combiner components for next year is utter trash, color me disappointed - not surprised, just disappointed

On second thought, TT also had a hand in designing this, so, yeah, actually, WTF? 2 design teams and they couldn't make it tab together, F$%K this

[Shuttershock]

Optibotimus put up an update video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlULI_8p_4M

Basically, he shows that Brawl is the victim of bad design and that he was not mistransformed.

What a load of blatant bs, that's a serious d!ck slap to the face to all the fans, 1 of 2 new combiner components for next year is utter trash, color me disappointed - not surprised, just disappointed

On second thought, TT also had a hand in designing this, so, yeah, actually, WTF? 2 design teams and they couldn't make it tab together, F$%K this

EASY, Hellscream! You'll spill your coffee if you get too worked up.

[Hellscream9999]

Optibotimus put up an update video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlULI_8p_4M

Basically, he shows that Brawl is the victim of bad design and that he was not mistransformed.

What a load of blatant bs, that's a serious d!ck slap to the face to all the fans, 1 of 2 new combiner components for next year is utter trash, color me disappointed - not surprised, just disappointed

On second thought, TT also had a hand in designing this, so, yeah, actually, WTF? 2 design teams and they couldn't make it tab together, F$%K this

EASY, Hellscream! You'll spill your coffee if you get too worked up.

You're right, it's not like I've been waiting half the year or longer for the (good) combaticons or new cw molds

[Gunmetal]

Optibotimus put up an update video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlULI_8p_4M

Basically, he shows that Brawl is the victim of bad design and that he was not mistransformed.

What a load of blatant bs, that's a serious d!ck slap to the face to all the fans, 1 of 2 new combiner components for next year is utter trash, color me disappointed - not surprised, just disappointed

On second thought, TT also had a hand in designing this, so, yeah, actually, WTF? 2 design teams and they couldn't make it tab together, F$%K this

EASY, Hellscream! You'll spill your coffee if you get too worked up.

NOOOOOO! If we spill the coffee, we'll have to find some other emoticon to horrendously overuse!