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MightyMagnus78 wrote:What about the characters that allegedly died off screen, Red Alert for example, where do we stand with them? We never saw them die so again there is no way of knowing whether they turned gray or not.
Is there no official list of those 'bots who met their maker?
MightyMagnus78 wrote:What about the characters that allegedly died off screen, Red Alert for example, where do we stand with them? We never saw them die so again there is no way of knowing whether they turned gray or not.
Is there no official list of those 'bots who met their maker?
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Burn wrote:Right, so this is how it's going to be.
If you think someone's being rude and insulting, you use the "Report this post" button, then you don't reply to that person. You know what happens when you reply? You make the situation worse.
decepta-scott, your insults were not needed. Please read up on the Forum Rules. You're not getting a warning this time, but if you keep it up you will be.
What I just posted is also not open for discussion. The only reply to what I said that I want to see is an acknowledgement and hopefully an apology or two. Otherwise, no more bickering. 'kay?
decepta-scott wrote:LOL Why?
Two frames of what look like a shadow to me and a black hand vs an entire shot of the bots as a group with color.
youd think they wouldnt drop the ball
Yet they were in color.Cant deny To deny that is ignorant.
Now your picking what does and dosent turn grey?
Every part of prime turned BLACK glass included.
Uh your wrong about placement
I know it was ratchet.
I was simply pointing out that a movie has so many color and animation problems
You tried to imply that he COULD still be alive.
Actually theres no proof that the ship WASNT called the arc.
Thats the thought process your using with your arguement.
Im thinking that wouldnt even do the trick.
So because I havnt been on this sight for years Im "ignorant of the facts"?
LOL On what plain of existance could that statement be considered condescending?
I thought you missed it because I couldnt fathome that you could realy be arguing that wheeljack was alive.
Dont try to turn this on me. Its all in the posts pal
I could and will say the same of you.
Sometimes you have to use COMMON SENSE to figure things out.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
decepta-scott wrote:I will respect the request of the mods here. I could argue with you forever but sadly Ive been asked not to. I have satisfied myself with the answers Ive given you. Thats all Im worried about. Have a nice day stovokor
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Not quite true. the Japanese dub of "Dark Awakening" specifically listed Prowl among the dead Autobots lying within the mausoleum, and that was made well before any of The Headmasters.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The Japanese were still aware of the film's events and knew of some of it.
Theres only evidernce that they knew the basics.
That Optimus died, and that Rodimus took over.
The seemed to have no detailsd about Prowels death, or about Wheeljacks "apparent" death.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Not quite true. the Japanese dub of "Dark Awakening" specifically listed Prowl among the dead Autobots lying within the mausoleum, and that was made well before any of The Headmasters.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Prowl's name wasn't seen written in English. Only Ironhide's and Ratchet's were. When Daniel said Prowl's name (in either language version), the video cuts to a long shot that zooms away from the crypt name labels, making it look as though nothing were written on them.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Not quite true. the Japanese dub of "Dark Awakening" specifically listed Prowl among the dead Autobots lying within the mausoleum, and that was made well before any of The Headmasters.
That doesnt really tell us anything/
I've actually been trying to do some research on that for a bit.
Yes, Prowls name is on a crypt......but it was in English.
That's what I meant. Prowl's name was spoken by Daniel.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Not every G1 character in Japan used the English nasmes, some did but not all.Also, was the name used in the dialog?.
So far I cant find any solid answers
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Prowl's name wasn't seen written in English. Only Ironhide's and Ratchet's were. When Daniel said Prowl's name (in either language version), the video cuts to a long shot that zooms away from the crypt name labels, making it look as though nothing were written on them.
That's what I meant. Prowl's name was spoken by Daniel.
And Prowl's Japanese name was still "Prowl" (プロール Purōru).
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
I got the info from the TFWiki, who originally got it from TFArchive.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:thats what I've been trying to confirm, I havent been able to locate a Japanese language version of the episode on the net.
TFWiki.net wrote:Prowl was an especially erroneous instance, because he had been specifically name-checked as being among the deceased in the Japanese dub of "Dark Awakening",
TFArchive.com wrote:plus Prowl is referred to as being dead in the Japanese dub of "Dark Awakening")
The Japanese version of Dark Awakening explicitly mentions Prowl's death, therefore this speaking character should not be him. See Ten popular but incorrect rumors about Japanese Transformers #3.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I got the info from the TFWiki, who originally got it from TFArchive.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:thats what I've been trying to confirm, I havent been able to locate a Japanese language version of the episode on the net.TFWiki.net wrote:Prowl was an especially erroneous instance, because he had been specifically name-checked as being among the deceased in the Japanese dub of "Dark Awakening",TFArchive.com wrote:plus Prowl is referred to as being dead in the Japanese dub of "Dark Awakening")
The TFWiki bit was originally written by user Derik, while the TFArchive page was written by Nevermore.The Japanese version of Dark Awakening explicitly mentions Prowl's death, therefore this speaking character should not be him. See Ten popular but incorrect rumors about Japanese Transformers #3.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
I tried searching for the episode myself, but couldn't find it either. And I really don't wanna have to go purchase the Japanese DVD release of Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010 in order to do so.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:thanks for the info and links, but I would like to confirm it with the episodev itself.
If you had told me tyou saw/heard it yourself I would have less doubt since I trust you, but I have seen bad info on those sites in the past.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Tekka wrote:Please fix your quotes... It's getting harder and harder to follow who's saying what in this thread. =(
decepta-scott wrote:Tekka wrote:Please fix your quotes... It's getting harder and harder to follow who's saying what in this thread. =(
I know tekka and I apologize. Truth is I dont know how to do that yet. The cpu at the coffee house I have to use is sooooo slow that it is a terrible pain to post a simple thread let alone trying to quote and submit my opinions in there and all that.
I tried to put the other persons comments in the middle of two {quote} things, add some space and then offer my rebutal. Im going to try and get someone to show me how to do it the right way though. Also Im simply going to stop engaging in all this run in circle debating. That ought to fix it.
decepta-scott wrote:I know tekka and I apologize. Truth is I dont know how to do that yet. The cpu at the coffee house I have to use is sooooo slow that it is a terrible pain to post a simple thread let alone trying to quote and submit my opinions in there and all that.
It took me an hour to post that. A FRIGGEN HOUR. Now I learn that it cant be understood.![]()
I tried to put the other persons comments in the middle of two {quote} things, add some space and then offer my rebutal. Im going to try and get someone to show me how to do it the right way though. Also Im simply going to stop engaging in all this run in circle debating. That ought to fix it.
Sabrblade wrote:I tried searching for the episode myself, but couldn't find it either. And I really don't wanna have to go purchase the Japanese DVD release of Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010 in order to do so.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:thanks for the info and links, but I would like to confirm it with the episodev itself.
If you had told me tyou saw/heard it yourself I would have less doubt since I trust you, but I have seen bad info on those sites in the past.
EDIT: I found an audio-only stream of the episode. At about 4:40, Daniel starts to list off the names of the deceased Cybertrons, and he says "Aianhaido", "Rachetto", "Puroru", and "Doraggu" (Drag A.K.A. Huffer).
Sabrblade wrote:Prowl looks more blue than gray here to me.![]()
Also, he ins't engulfed in shadow. The front of his legs and feet, as well as the tops of his hands and upper arms, are clearly still being well lit, and yet they're not the same color they were in the top pic. Compare Prowl's white knee/upper arm/hands in the top pic to his darker-yet-still-lit-by-light knee/upper arm/hands in the bottom pic.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
decepta-scott wrote:We were told to stop bickering. If you are going to continue though I see no reason why I cannot.
Theres a close up scene of galvatron panting for air after unicron chokes him even though these bots have no lungs. Theres your proof that important close up shots do not equal error free.
Like it or not prowl wasnt deep dark grey like prime was.
He started out with what is totally a shadow on his red horn. He comes closer to the camera and falls back. It isnt until he is almost off the screen,roughly three frames that he is engulfed in shadow.
You realy think they said "when we kill these bots we arent gonna have em die right off.
(even though they were never shown without color)
Thats because he wasnt ment to change color.
Primes glass went from a light clear blue to a med/dark - dark grey
Now look at the following scene with megs foot and your oh so important black hand. Those bots are in COMPLETELY different places than they were in the previous scene.
Or it could also be an alternant explination of your black hand and two frames of shadow.
LOL!!! The thing had a huge hole in it,
it was under heavy fire,
it had two explosions the second of which ignited half the ship on fire and it was on its way down.
There ya go. Admittion that even the writers couldnt tell you that you are wrong.
I dont need to come over and have dinner with you and the fam to know what kind of person you are.
If that wasnt enough I can tell what kind of person you are because of the way you insist on force feeding us all the praise youve recieved on this sight by adding it as your personal quote.disrespectful comments and judgements.
Since it was you who started this by ripping my butt for no reason without knowing what kind of person I am
Your words can be reapplied to you. You did initiate this stovokor. Why dont you go drag your post up here and show it? That ought to settle that.
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sorry but I repeat, theres no SOLID evidence that he was dead.
Laying on the ground with damage to his body is not solid evidence he died.Unlike every confirmed death in the film, Wheeljack and Windcharger did not fade to gray.
They still retained their colors.
So, if you think you can provide Solid, undeniable evidence from the narrative that they died, please do.I've been waiting over 26 years for someone to do that.
ROTFLMFAO!!!! LOL!!! OMG stovokor, Thats just another way of saying he didnt die. LOL!!! You are too much bro really.
If I havent then neither have you.
Yes. The difference is that your comments are correct because theyre yours and mine are wrong because they arent yours. Right?
I never said that.
decepta-scott wrote:Oh he was quite dead.If you blink you will miss it but there a scene right before hot rad, arcee, springer, kup and daniel slide the launcher into place to fight devestator where arcee is dragging the fallen bots out of the way. Among them were wind charger and wheel jack. They were both very dead.
I saw you thought otherwise
There sure as hell isnt any evidence that they are alive either.
Who said that anyway?
Im not going to respond to this anymore.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Decepti-Scott, you're not understanding what Sto means when he says, "There's no solid evidence from the film's narrative to confirm that they died." By this, he is NOT saying that they DIDN'T die, but rather, just that the film does not openly declare their deaths. It IMPLIES that5 they died, but does not verbal SAY so.
Sto's claim of a lack of evidence to the confirmation of their deaths in just the film alone is a general statement. You are misinterpreting this as though he were instead saying "They did not die," which he is not saying at all.
Sto's claim of "There's no solid evidence from the film's narrative to confirm that they died," only means that we can't say yes or no either way without consulting external material--meaning info from stuff outside of the movie.
The statement that you think he's saying (but isn't) of, "They did not die," gives a definite answer to their fates. Sto, however, is merely saying that there is NO definite answer to the fates. He's not saying that they did or didn't die, but that we cannot say for certain what their fates were from just watching the film alone. We can IMPLY that they died, but we cannot say that they DID die and take it as a fact from the movie alone.
Long story short, Sto is not saying one way or the other about whether or not they died, but instead that the movie is simply AMBIGUOUS on this matter, giving NO answer one way or the other at all.
There is no right or wrong answer. There's just NO answer period.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
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