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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Here's a little tip: when you start a new thread, it's a good idea to provide info from yourself or your opinion first, to get the discussion rolling quicker
That said, I have no experience with Masterpieces whatsoever (a little out of my league), but if there's a single one I'd never get it'd have to be MP-9 Rodimus Convoy. Too many QC problem on the guy: from shoulders breaking off (moreso on the Hasbro version), danger of scraping with the trailer and the black repaint has weak knee joints. Too many immediate problems for me to consider. I did see the Hasbro one in stores and honestly, I was tempted... But ultimately, no.
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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Here's a little tip: when you start a new thread, it's a good idea to provide info from yourself or your opinion first, to get the discussion rolling quicker
That said, I have no experience with Masterpieces whatsoever (a little out of my league), but if there's a single one I'd never get it'd have to be MP-9 Rodimus Convoy. Too many QC problem on the guy: from shoulders breaking off (moreso on the Hasbro version), danger of scraping with the trailer and the black repaint has weak knee joints. Too many immediate problems for me to consider. I did see the Hasbro one in stores and honestly, I was tempted... But ultimately, no.
yes im quoting myself, because i know ill be jumped on with "wattabout MP05??". just cause he was developed in minimum time, doesnt mean there wasnt a lot of work put into it. the issues he has stem from a lack of time to refine the design. (IMO)theyve all had a lot of work put into them
-Kanrabat- wrote:YEah, too many Transformers are in a serious need of a good rim job.
Blast Cannon wrote:This thread is brilliant. Duragrip you are a gloriously weird sexual deviant and I love it.
Wolfman Jake wrote:Megatron (MP-05) is still the only one that will rust so far, correct?
RiddlerJ wrote:While I wouldn't say he's the worst. I have to say I'm a little disappointed in MP Ratbat (especially because I had to buy Soundblaster to get him)
He looks good at a glance, but has minimal poseabilty, less than the original toy.
"Yes", you might say "but this one has integrated weapons". But looking at how little space the jets take up, I can't help but wonder if they couldn't design a transformation closer to the original G1 toy while still leaving room for the integrated jet pack. He changes using this weird chest flip over method that seems almost too complicated for no reason. He even winds up with two sets of spool holes (one false, on real) as a result.
What does anyone else think. Am I griping too much?
comparing the alt mode of MP03 to classics SS? i feel MP03 has the best jet mode we've ever gotten, and in no way compares to that clunky deluxe. and dont get me wrong, ive got a lot of love for that classics mold (like 4 away from being a classics seeker completist!).william-james88 wrote:I own the MP 03 rendition of that mold and I really dont find it to be masterpiece level. Alt mode detail, sure, but compare it to the classics mold and I find this later one to be a clear winner.
but the seekers hollow out the middle in G1 (toon and toy). s'just how they transform. i have the takara MP03 trio and ill tell ya, they are WAY more solid than the 5 MP11's i have. and im almost positive (and i hope someone can back me up as i have no MP03 handy) that the nosecone and junk can collapse into the back better than in ryans pic there (sorry ryan). i know i was able to get all the back kibble flat, with nothing protruding.william-james88 wrote:Aside from the innacuracy of the mold, what I really dislike is the transformation bu hallowing out the middle section. This makes him so much more fragile and fiddly. And the back doesnt look good at all, it's the nosecone in a mishmash of junk.
true enough. the MP03 and MP11 both suffer from this.william-james88 wrote:I also, never liked how his head looked on his body. It always looks too pushed back and not in synch with the rest of his body whenever posing him at any other angle than facing you in a stiff pose.
i feel some slack could be given though. the line at that point was so young, and maybe they had no clear "destination" in mind. i believe that to be the case, and that they didnt really have a clear vision for the line until MP10.william-james88 wrote:What dissapoints me about these 2 points is that they go against what the line was supposed to be. Here, the more complicated mold results into something fiddly that is not cartoon accurate and looks all over the place.
MP's 1-8 are really a mish mash. nothing really fits together aside from optimus and megatron, and the seekers with themselves.william-james88 wrote:The worst part is the following, and it really sets it apart from it's fellow MP molds.
shajaki wrote:i really kinda disagree with the MP03 nomination. which you might not be surprised by since i raved about it in the "best designed" thread.
a lot of your points are vaild, and a lot comes to personal taste. but id like to try and counter some.comparing the alt mode of MP03 to classics SS? i feel MP03 has the best jet mode we've ever gotten, and in no way compares to that clunky deluxe. and dont get me wrong, ive got a lot of love for that classics mold (like 4 away from being a classics seeker completist!).william-james88 wrote:I own the MP 03 rendition of that mold and I really dont find it to be masterpiece level. Alt mode detail, sure, but compare it to the classics mold and I find this later one to be a clear winner.
shajaki wrote:i feel some slack could be given though. the line at that point was so young, and maybe they had no clear "destination" in mind. i believe that to be the case, and that they didnt really have a clear vision for the line until MP10.william-james88 wrote:What dissapoints me about these 2 points is that they go against what the line was supposed to be. Here, the more complicated mold results into something fiddly that is not cartoon accurate and looks all over the place.
shajaki wrote:MP's 1-8 are really a mish mash. nothing really fits together aside from optimus and megatron, and the seekers with themselves.william-james88 wrote:The worst part is the following, and it really sets it apart from it's fellow MP molds.
ahhh kay. i getcha. classics is indeed the more toon accurate version. and value does indeed play a big role.william-james88 wrote:Here is where I was not clear. I meant that I find the toy to be a masterpiece in alt mode, but only in alt mode. His alt mode beats every other jet alt mode except maybe the movie leader Starscream (because of the bottom, but hen again the bottom of MP Starscream is show accurate). So we agree on the alt mode being awesome. What I meant was that even with the better alt mode, I find the classics seeker mold to be better than the masterpiece seeker mold. Mainly for it's show accuracy, more solid mid section, smoother back kibble (though as you pointed out, it may simply be a matter of better aligning a few parts to fold away better) and head more aligned with the body. And when you bring in value to the table, I find the classics seeker mold to be a better deal if you want a good representation of the G1 characters. MP 03 isn't worth spending all that money, from that perspective. Simply my opinion.
i was actually naive before. for the longest time i assumed MP11 was a new mold (or the original one teased before we got MP03). and while im a huge seeker fan, i might be right there with you in thinking the MP11 is my least favorite (post MP10).william-james88 wrote:I understand the line being young. But then why didn’t they give us a Starscream 2.0 mold for MP 11 instead of a 1.5 mold. I don’t consider the new seekers to be new molds more than simply remolds of MP 03. The show accuracy may be better but I still have the same problem with how the mold is now. It feels even fiddlier than before (as you pointed out in design thread when you said that the MP 03 felt stronger, which it totally does). And they didn’t fix the head. That upsets me so much. It really doesn’t look right to me and is very distracting; to the point that I keep my MP 03 in jet mode and have no intention in transforming him back to robot mode. I get how MP 03 was a first and thus should have some leeway but I don’t feel they improved the mold much since. In the current post MP 10 line up, the seekers are my least favourite MPs and the only ones I am not seeking out (pun!).
roger that. however for me, i dont think i can compare classics and MP just due to the drastic differences in quality. if classics SS had better posability then i might agree with you, but that line to was young. a classics deluxe SS made today i bet would blow the MP's out of the water.william-james88 wrote:That quote only works in connection to my next line when I explain the reason I say that. It’s not about scale or anything of the sort (because that was thrown out the window early on). The big difference between MP 03 and the other MPs was that MP 03 was the only MP to have a better representation of the G1 character coming out too. When MP 01 came out, it was the best Optimus. This thread is calling MP 05 as the worst but I love him, and to me he still is the best representation of G1 Megatron we have from Takara or Hasbro (but that’s not hard, not too many Megatrons out there turn into guns). And that MP 08 is amazing! But in 2006, both MP 03 Starscream and Classics Starscream came out, and it is the only time when the Masterpiece version was not the better G1 representation of the character available out there. As you say, it was not what we wanted, but it was still pretty great. However, what we wanted was actually available. And at a far lower cost. Hence why MP 03 (as well as the MP seeker mold as a whole) is my least favourite masterpiece.
shajaki wrote:i was actually naive before. for the longest time i assumed MP11 was a new mold (or the original one teased before we got MP03). and while im a huge seeker fan, i might be right there with you in thinking the MP11 is my least favorite (post MP10).
i dont think i can compare classics and MP just due to the drastic differences in quality. if classics SS had better posability then i might agree with you, but that line to was young. a classics deluxe SS made today i bet would blow the MP's out of the water.
william-james88 wrote:Great rebuttle Shajaki, though we actually agree on more things than it seems since I realize now that I was misunderstood a bit.shajaki wrote:i really kinda disagree with the MP03 nomination. which you might not be surprised by since i raved about it in the "best designed" thread.
a lot of your points are vaild, and a lot comes to personal taste. but id like to try and counter some.comparing the alt mode of MP03 to classics SS? i feel MP03 has the best jet mode we've ever gotten, and in no way compares to that clunky deluxe. and dont get me wrong, ive got a lot of love for that classics mold (like 4 away from being a classics seeker completist!).william-james88 wrote:I own the MP 03 rendition of that mold and I really dont find it to be masterpiece level. Alt mode detail, sure, but compare it to the classics mold and I find this later one to be a clear winner.
Here is where I was not clear. I meant that I find the toy to be a masterpiece in alt mode, but only in alt mode. His alt mode beats every other jet alt mode except maybe the movie leader Starscream (because of the bottom, but hen again the bottom of MP Starscream is show accurate). So we agree on the alt mode being awesome. What I meant was that even with the better alt mode, I find the classics seeker mold to be better than the masterpiece seeker mold. Mainly for it's show accuracy, more solid mid section, smoother back kibble (though as you pointed out, it may simply be a matter of better aligning a few parts to fold away better) and head more aligned with the body. And when you bring in value to the table, I find the classics seeker mold to be a better deal if you want a good representation of the G1 characters. MP 03 isn't worth spending all that money, from that perspective. Simply my opinion.shajaki wrote:i feel some slack could be given though. the line at that point was so young, and maybe they had no clear "destination" in mind. i believe that to be the case, and that they didnt really have a clear vision for the line until MP10.william-james88 wrote:What dissapoints me about these 2 points is that they go against what the line was supposed to be. Here, the more complicated mold results into something fiddly that is not cartoon accurate and looks all over the place.
I understand the line being young. But then why didn’t they give us a Starscream 2.0 mold for MP 11 instead of a 1.5 mold. I don’t consider the new seekers to be new molds more than simply remolds of MP 03. The show accuracy may be better but I still have the same problem with how the mold is now. It feels even fiddlier than before (as you pointed out in design thread when you said that the MP 03 felt stronger, which it totally does). And they didn’t fix the head. That upsets me so much. It really doesn’t look right to me and is very distracting; to the point that I keep my MP 03 in jet mode and have no intention in transforming him back to robot mode. I get how MP 03 was a first and thus should have some leeway but I don’t feel they improved the mold much since. In the current post MP 10 line up, the seekers are my least favourite MPs and the only ones I am not seeking out (pun!).shajaki wrote:MP's 1-8 are really a mish mash. nothing really fits together aside from optimus and megatron, and the seekers with themselves.william-james88 wrote:The worst part is the following, and it really sets it apart from it's fellow MP molds.
That quote only works in connection to my next line when I explain the reason I say that. It’s not about scale or anything of the sort (because that was thrown out the window early on). The big difference between MP 03 and the other MPs was that MP 03 was the only MP to have a better representation of the G1 character coming out too. When MP 01 came out, it was the best Optimus. This thread is calling MP 05 as the worst but I love him, and to me he still is the best representation of G1 Megatron we have from Takara or Hasbro (but that’s not hard, not too many Megatrons out there turn into guns). And that MP 08 is amazing! But in 2006, both MP 03 Starscream and Classics Starscream came out, and it is the only time when the Masterpiece version was not the better G1 representation of the character available out there. As you say, it was not what we wanted, but it was still pretty great. However, what we wanted was actually available. And at a far lower cost. Hence why MP 03 (as well as the MP seeker mold as a whole) is my least favourite masterpiece.
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fenrir72 wrote:On the robot mode of MP-03...........really...........wtf was Shoji Kawamori thinking? Adding those two kibble on his hips.......hen preliminary design indicated it as not so. Robot wise, if you want to be show accurate MP-11 floors it but I've heard that mold also suffers from the "Blitzwing shoulder" syndrome...............too bad.
thanks for that! ive always been a big fan of MP03, but knowing how and why it came to be is niceDelta Magnus wrote:Simply put, Shoji Kawamori was thinking "Right, we've had years of Transformers with crappy jet modes, let's make the best jetformer ever". Starscream was only the second mold in the series (MP-02 was basically MP-01 painted white) and the direction of the MP line was "Transformers made with as much awesome engineering and clever details as possible" rather than "Transformers made as close to the G1 cartoon as possible". I'm pretty sure MP-03 was liked a lot better in Japan, mainly because Japanese collectors are far more open to novelty/unique figures, and Shoji Kawamori is a seriously famous guy in Japan, and pretty much THE guy to do jet transformations- thus his personal take on Starscream was considered something of a holy grail to Transformers fans, Macross fans and mecha fans in general.
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