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-Kanrabat- wrote:I look at that Catwoman and... I just see a random girl.
Burn wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:I look at that Catwoman and... I just see a random girl.
Because that's what she is. She's an ordinary human who's skillset is being able to break into things. She's no meta-human, but at the same time she's one of the most interesting of DC's characters.
If anything, DKRises is actually a very good representation of her modern character. A burglar that treads the line between moral and immoral.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
SlyTF1 wrote:I just noticed something about this movie. I hope this doesn't really spoil anything, but here it is; how the hell does Bruce Wayne get from a freaking desert in India to Gotham ON FOOT no transportation, get new clothes, while the bridges are blown up, all within a couple of hours!? How? How is this possible? STUPID STUPID MOVIE!!! I didn't even notice this before! How could we have missed this!?
But I have devised a theory to explain this: CLAYFACE. That is all.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:I just noticed something about this movie. I hope this doesn't really spoil anything, but here it is; how the hell does Bruce Wayne get from a freaking desert in India to Gotham ON FOOT no transportation, get new clothes, while the bridges are blown up, all within a couple of hours!? How? How is this possible? STUPID STUPID MOVIE!!! I didn't even notice this before! How could we have missed this!?
But I have devised a theory to explain this: CLAYFACE. That is all.
Who said it was a couple hours? It's six months between the destruction of the stadium and the finale. he could have hitched a ride on, I dunno, a smuggler plane, like he did in the last movie. Also, who said it was India? They never really say, do they? Looks like it could be Spain, or Africa, or South America, or the Middle East. (Deshi Basara, the chant used in the Pit as well as the chant from Bane's theme, is Arabic Moroccan, in fact) Even getting past the bridges isn't that big of a deal; he's Batman, he has total mastery of stealth and infiltration, he can get past a simple military roadblock.
Basically, there is no plot hole there, just you making up details or forgetting you're talking about Batman.
And Clayface doesn't make any sense as a theory. What, did Bruce pay money he doesn't have to a villain who doesn't exist in this continuity (And who hates him in every other continuity) to impersonate and fight his battles for him, while he chills out in another country knowing that he's completely failed at saving Gotham to the point that he has to bribe a supervillain to do it for him?
SlyTF1 wrote:They clearly say that the bomb will be activated in (I forget how many) hours, Before he makes it out of the prison.
SlyTF1 wrote:I was just thinking Clayface just...did it to do it...
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:They clearly say that the bomb will be activated in (I forget how many) hours, Before he makes it out of the prison.
When Bruce rescues Lucius and goes to get his suit, it's daytime. When he rescues Gordon, it's nighttime, and when the big battle begins, it's daytime again. I think you're forgetting more than how many hours they say the bomb has until it goes off.SlyTF1 wrote:I was just thinking Clayface just...did it to do it...
He doesn't even exist in this continuity.
SlyTF1 wrote:I just think they should have explained it a bit more, that's all.
SlyTF1 wrote:And how do we know he doesn't exist? Twoface didn't exist in this continuity either until he was introduced. Neither did the Joker, or Bane, or Talia. You could argue that last one. Besides, I didn't even say that and expect it to be taken as an actual plausible theory anyway. It was just some crazy, off the wall, explanation I came up with in my head.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:And you know what else? Clayface still doesn't exist in this continuity, and he never would have worked in it anyway.
Burn wrote:robofreak doesn't joke. He's all about the serious business of the internet.
ItIsHim wrote:My closet is filled to the brim with plastic children's toys. For myself
robofreak wrote:Shadowman wrote:And you know what else? Clayface still doesn't exist in this continuity, and he never would have worked in it anyway.
Actually, Clayface could exist in this continuity. Just not in the way you might know him.
Golden Age Clayface was an actor Basil Karlo who was an actor that was pissed off cause he couldn't reprise his role for the remake. So he dons, the mask of Clayface and starts killing the actors.
So a psycho with a mask. It would work very well for the Dark Knight style.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:robofreak wrote:Shadowman wrote:And you know what else? Clayface still doesn't exist in this continuity, and he never would have worked in it anyway.
Actually, Clayface could exist in this continuity. Just not in the way you might know him.
Golden Age Clayface was an actor Basil Karlo who was an actor that was pissed off cause he couldn't reprise his role for the remake. So he dons, the mask of Clayface and starts killing the actors.
So a psycho with a mask. It would work very well for the Dark Knight style.
Except that has no bearing on this at all, since his argument is about Clayface perfectly impersonating Bruce Wayne via his shape-shifting.
-Kanrabat- wrote:Shadowman wrote:robofreak wrote:Shadowman wrote:And you know what else? Clayface still doesn't exist in this continuity, and he never would have worked in it anyway.
Actually, Clayface could exist in this continuity. Just not in the way you might know him.
Golden Age Clayface was an actor Basil Karlo who was an actor that was pissed off cause he couldn't reprise his role for the remake. So he dons, the mask of Clayface and starts killing the actors.
So a psycho with a mask. It would work very well for the Dark Knight style.
Except that has no bearing on this at all, since his argument is about Clayface perfectly impersonating Bruce Wayne via his shape-shifting.
What about Clayface would be (incredibly) a legendary good actor who is SO perfect at immitating anyone, even the close family can be fooled? Add the ability to be the perfect make-up artist who use a revolitionary technique to quickly put on a mask that feel "alive"?
Of course, Clayface will be restricted to persons to immitate that have his average build.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Shadowman wrote:robofreak wrote:Shadowman wrote:And you know what else? Clayface still doesn't exist in this continuity, and he never would have worked in it anyway.
Actually, Clayface could exist in this continuity. Just not in the way you might know him.
Golden Age Clayface was an actor Basil Karlo who was an actor that was pissed off cause he couldn't reprise his role for the remake. So he dons, the mask of Clayface and starts killing the actors.
So a psycho with a mask. It would work very well for the Dark Knight style.
Except that has no bearing on this at all, since his argument is about Clayface perfectly impersonating Bruce Wayne via his shape-shifting.
What about Clayface would be (incredibly) a legendary good actor who is SO perfect at immitating anyone, even the close family can be fooled? Add the ability to be the perfect make-up artist who use a revolitionary technique to quickly put on a mask that feel "alive"?
Of course, Clayface will be restricted to persons to immitate that have his average build.
So, basically, just a rip off of Mission Impossible.
-Kanrabat- wrote:And by the way, stop being so negative. It's depressing.
Burn wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:And by the way, stop being so negative. It's depressing.
He's not being depressing. He's just disagreeing because that's what he does.
You'll learn to ignore him soon enough.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:You'll also learn to skim Burn's posts. It's a useful ability.
Also I don't know why everyone's bringing up Basil Karlo and his original abilities or lack thereof, seeing as this conversation is based around Matt Hagen or, all things considered, Karlo's appearance in Arkham City. You know, the version that can't work in this universe? The big mud monster? I never actually said an idea like an eerily-perfect mimic couldn't work. It's just that randomly introducing that to explain Bruce Wayne getting around the world quickly is unnecessary when you can just say "He's Batman" and everything works out.
Burn wrote:robofreak doesn't joke. He's all about the serious business of the internet.
ItIsHim wrote:My closet is filled to the brim with plastic children's toys. For myself
robofreak wrote:Shadowman wrote:You'll also learn to skim Burn's posts. It's a useful ability.
Also I don't know why everyone's bringing up Basil Karlo and his original abilities or lack thereof, seeing as this conversation is based around Matt Hagen or, all things considered, Karlo's appearance in Arkham City. You know, the version that can't work in this universe? The big mud monster? I never actually said an idea like an eerily-perfect mimic couldn't work. It's just that randomly introducing that to explain Bruce Wayne getting around the world quickly is unnecessary when you can just say "He's Batman" and everything works out.
The point of bringing up Basil Karlo and his lack of abilities is to prove that Clayface can in fact work in the Nolanverse.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Why are we even arguing about this?
Burn wrote:robofreak doesn't joke. He's all about the serious business of the internet.
ItIsHim wrote:My closet is filled to the brim with plastic children's toys. For myself
Burn wrote:Shadowman wrote:Why are we even arguing about this?
Because you don't know when to let something go instead of having to have the last say.
Burn wrote:Oh and for the record, Basil Karlo, the original Clayface who was introduced in 1940, never had clay powers, he was just an actor. So Clayface was not originally a "giant mud monster".
Just saying.
robofreak wrote:If we're going to nitpick it Shadowman, Ras Al Ghul can't exist in Nolan's world either since he needs Lazarus pits to maintain his life and is over 600 years old.
robofreak wrote:If we can have a giant freaking microwave emitter in the first movie, we can have a madman with a freeze gun of some sort in the Nolan world as well. Chryogenics gone wrong. Definitely would have to get rid of Mr. Freeze having his body altered, but he could still be on a quest to save his wife and being using his research for the wrong reasons.
Poison Ivy could be an eco terrorist. Usig plant toxins as her weapons, she would fit in quite well. Doesn't neccessarily have to control plants. Just be a plant genetics genius.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
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