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Thing is, the Transformers are aliens. always have been since day 1. The latter two examples are supposed to look like things from Earth (turtles and cats). The TFs come from Cybertron, so if the Cybertronian look ain't nothing like the Earth look, so be it.ViperEye82 wrote:And I'm saying they're Transformers. If I want an outside of the box ET film, I'll watch Prometheus again (but I won't). Transformers should look like transformers, tmnt should look like turtles, thundercats should look...well you get it. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying fans might have enjoyed the characters more if they were recognizable as robots, not monsters.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Janus Prime wrote:Well, I was expecting a new design for Optimus... I guess he looks a little different... Nemesis?
ViperEye82 wrote:Lets cut this short; I would have messed my pants if the Transformer movies used wfc/FOC look. That's all I'm saying.
Um, what? You do realize it wasn't Bay who made these designs, right? Bay just directed them and gave his two cents, it was the art development team who created them and such.burning_sirius wrote:>> Limited imagination
>> Macross and a whole ton of mecha have limited imagination.
Giant robots that strain your eyes as they fold away into a million cgi effects making no logical sense. I mean this is a new low for being a Bay apologist.
Again, it wasn't Bay who drew these designs. and you ought to know very well that the wrecking balls are not in the same category as what I've referring to here. I'm taking about the overall figure, not some stupidly minute deatil that was likely thrown in after the fact just to make a bad joke.burning_sirius wrote:Bay did not shy away from anthropomorphization when he gave Devastator balls,
Those are designs, how? Those are actions/body functions, not physical body appearances. Sheesh.burning_sirius wrote:Bumblebee peeing, or made Jetfire fart. I guess those scenes were due to his limited imagination. (see what I did there)
And none of those examples, save for the Transformers, fall into any of what I was getting at with the movie designs. You're just looking for an excuse for some random Bay bashing whne Bay wasn't even a factor in this alien robot design discussion.burning_sirius wrote:I am a fan of classic mech design. Anywhere from UC Gundam, Macross, Transformers, and so on. This whole post is disses to every single giant robot or scifi series that has ever been made. I mean Star Trek had countless humanoid alien species.
DOTM didn't sell well for a number of reasons, but mostly because most the return film characters had mostly the same designs they've already had (which kids already bought in the previous movie toylines and so didn't feel compelled to buy something very similar to what they already had), and becuase retailers overstocked the toys to an ungodly degree that they're still sitting on the shelves almost 1 1/2 years after they first arrived. Not to mention the lousy MechTech gimmick that only seemed half-decent for any figure above deluxe class. And all the excess Robo Power stuff no one bought since were for an audience too young to even be interested in the films and their characters. And, to top it all off, all the insane price hikes retailers kept pushing with the economy getting worse and worse. Oy. DOTM's toyline was a flop, yes, but not specifically for the design aesthetic of the characters (otherwise Movie 1 and ROTF's toylines wouldn't have done so well, and ROTF had an awesome toylineburning_sirius wrote:I really do hope Pacific Rim smashes Transformers 4 at the box office. Like we need this again. We don't. We also get that Americans are rejecting the designs as DotM did not sell very well. It was a novel idea having your insides become your outsides for a Transformer at the time. Now, it is just grating.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Whoa!ViperEye82 wrote:Lets cut this short; I would have messed my pants if the Transformer movies used wfc/FOC look. That's all I'm saying.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
As awesome as GaoGaiGar is, there's no denying that they still look like giant toy robots, which is what these films don't want to do. They want them to look like alien robot lifeforms, not giant action figures. A toy-like look drives away casual adult moviegoers as they don't want to watch something that says "children's movie". i'd rather this weren't the case, but sadly it is.
burning_sirius wrote:ViperEye82 wrote:Lets cut this short; I would have messed my pants if the Transformer movies used wfc/FOC look. That's all I'm saying.
And not have the wrecking balls and farting, you are going too far ViperEye. This is high grade artistic vision here, not your kiddie Transformers.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Doubledealer93 wrote:Mindmaster wrote:Looks kinda cool. Hopefully the toys will be better than DOTM.
this. i could care less about the plot. i want the toys if they are better.
Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.
If anything, this page is in support of Burn's claims, as fans have been complaining over changes in the franchise as far back as the Death of Optimus Prime (1986).MINDVVIPE wrote:Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.
Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:If anything, this page is in support of Burn's claims, as fans have been complaining over changes in the franchise as far back as the Death of Optimus Prime (1986).MINDVVIPE wrote:Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.
Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.
Sabrblade wrote:If anything, this page is in support of Burn's claims, as fans have been complaining over changes in the franchise as far back as the Death of Optimus Prime (1986).MINDVVIPE wrote:Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.
Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.
burning_sirius wrote:All change is good change. I have to disagree with the 'looks like toys' bs, BECAUSE IT IS A TOY COMMERCIAL!!!!! UGH!!!
Lets look at this classic Go Nagai design in movie form.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmPLiJgGASM
MINDVVIPE wrote:Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.
Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.
All Burn said was that there have been complaints about changes in the fnrachise for over 25 years, and I was just saying how he's right. Never once did either of us explicitly refer to the complaints of the changes the Bay films have made. Just changes in general.MINDVVIPE wrote:Sabrblade wrote:If anything, this page is in support of Burn's claims, as fans have been complaining over changes in the franchise as far back as the Death of Optimus Prime (1986).MINDVVIPE wrote:Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.
Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.
Thats ridiculous. Just because you don't like the direction its changing into doesn't mean you don't want to see it evolve into something better. Hell, the comments are praising whats being done right (the games) and whats wrong (the movie). The games aren't G1; they have their own designs, own story even. On top of that, isn't the whole point of a discussion board to discuss what you like and dislike? And again, even further, as fans we barely have any say with how things turn out in a big budget movie like this, so who really gives a damn if you don't agree with someones comment? Tottaly off topic by now so whatever, if you have nothing to contribute to the topic and wanna diss members for stating opinions, feel free to pm me.
Now that right there, that does not look like a toy. That's much closer to what the Movieverse designs would look like in a good compromise like the WFC/FOC. We need more designs closer to that.burning_sirius wrote:All change is good change. I have to disagree with the 'looks like toys' bs, BECAUSE IT IS A TOY COMMERCIAL!!!!! UGH!!!
Lets look at this classic Go Nagai design in movie form.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmPLiJgGASM
Unless with go with soem of the more sleeker or "not-so-shoebox-y" designs like from Gundam Wing, G Gundam, Gundam SEED, etc.burning_sirius wrote:Also, Bandai and Sony have bought domain names for a live action theatrical Gundam movie. Talk about 'boxy toys', Gundam is nothing but 'shoe boxes'. I wonder how American audiences will respond to that. IF they go in droves, the Bayverse is finished period. I would rather pony up 15 for IMAX 3D for a live action OYW Gundam movie than a bottom barrel Bayformer film. Period.
Well, that was a waste.El Duque wrote:Turns out it was just fan art and that facebook page is a fake. Removed as news.
http://andrewss7.deviantart.com/art/Tra ... -277383806
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Sabrblade wrote:Unless with go with soem of the more sleeker or "not-so-shoebox-y" designs like from Gundam Wing, G Gundam, Gundam SEED, etc.![]()
Genuine question. Wasn't it mostly the Mobile Suit Gundam, 8th MS Team, 0080, 0083, etc. designs that were the "boxiest"? Or, were there others from later series that were even blockier?
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