Wolfman Jake wrote:RAR, what you don't seem to know or understand is that everyone involved with the IDW Transformers stories, be it the comic production team themselves or Hasbro, basically says it's a G1 universe. Authorial Intent. End of story.
RAR wrote:I guess you could draw some sort of diagram of G1ishness (though how you would farm the data points to do that I don't have a clue).
But IDW isn't especially close to G1 In my opinion - it has a lot more different than it has in common - almost every single character has a bio/personality completely distinct from either the Transformers Universe Marvel Bio or the toy techspecs or the general idea of the character you'd get from watching the TV show/1980's Movie - and often the reasons for those changes can be seen as a little thin.
I would cite Blaster as someone with PDSA or Sniper Perceptor as a couple of examples of major distinctions from 'Traditional G1'.
It's fine to give characters other motivations and relationships - but I personally wouldn't always want to put those motivation on to them retrospectively unless doing so adds something to the character than they'd otherwise be less for having - so with that in mind I'm perfectly OK with the retconed Backstory elements for Skywarp & Thundercracker.
But my point is take Kiss Players or even Alternity - they both take an established starting point and they then go off in a bonkers direction from there on - where as IDW (and indeed the classicverse) instead have different starting points or points of divergence to them that makes me see them more akin to being another unique Universe like Transformers Prime, AEC, or Transformers Animated.
Sure they share some characteristics and principles with other continuities but only for me in broad brush strokes.
But that isn't a bad thing it means if a 3rd party makes a toy of some random contempary comic Decepticon I can still add him in with the likes of Straxus as a "City Commander" type without having to bother myself overly with the aspects of IDW that are best actively ignored if you want to continue to maintain any respect for your beloved characters going forwards.
*Ultra Magnus I'm looking at you.
fenrir72 wrote: (only thing weird is that Hb still hasn't upsized that Legend/Legion IDW Optimus Prime yet.
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
ScottyP wrote:So what happens if the G2 Defensor set has Groove, but the regular colors don't get released here? Do we riot? Party anyways because G2 is better than no G at all?
ScottyP wrote:So what happens if the G2 Defensor set has Groove, but the regular colors don't get released here? Do we riot? Party anyways because G2 is better than no G at all?
Amelie wrote:IDW is not G1. Its an entirely different universe and storyline that happens to include G1-styled characters.
Wolfman Jake wrote:Then which Transformers universe in the 1980's is the "G1" universe to you? [...] The only thing that separates IDW from the rest of the Generation 1 suite of universes is a few decades. That's a very spurious reason to draw the distinctions you do.
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
Amelie wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:Then which Transformers universe in the 1980's is the "G1" universe to you? [...] The only thing that separates IDW from the rest of the Generation 1 suite of universes is a few decades. That's a very spurious reason to draw the distinctions you do.
Thats the main distinction, Jake - Time. The last point I made was about different generations.
There is a huge difference between how IDW and Marvel US handled things. Whilst some events are different - major events, threads and ideas are still the same. Lets not forget that Bud Budainsky, a Marvel US writer actually wrote the original character biographies. Even Marvel UK made refereces to the cartoon (Simon Furman even putting see:Transformers:The Movie as footnotes).
And then, in terms of toys... we have the toys...
"Transformers" ended once and we had Beast Wars. A different generation. Beast Wars ends and we have RID ect ect.... each time you can spot these switches from a mile off, too.
Its just personal preference at the end of the day
Wolfman Jake wrote:Again, though, time isn't the great distinction in fiction you think it is. Take a look at the recent limited "Re-Generation One" comics, that were a deliberate continuation of the Marvel comics Transformers stories. It was decades in between the end of the Marvel run and the start of Re-Generation One. That doesn't make the stories created later any less a part of the G1 multiverse. Also, again, authorial intent is not on your side. You can prefer to believe IDW isn't a G1 universe all you want, but the people who actual make it don't agree with you.
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I would hedge a bet that they are trying to do the G2 sets using original rosters only, and that's why Defensor has nothing yet considering they can't really put Groove in until they get the UW Groove. So it's possible we will get him, but not for a while at least. G2 Rook still would be pretty cool nonetheless
william-james88 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I would hedge a bet that they are trying to do the G2 sets using original rosters only, and that's why Defensor has nothing yet considering they can't really put Groove in until they get the UW Groove. So it's possible we will get him, but not for a while at least. G2 Rook still would be pretty cool nonetheless
Oh I am pretty certain this is the case. Which means either we get Defensor with deluxe Groove or not at all.
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:william-james88 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I would hedge a bet that they are trying to do the G2 sets using original rosters only, and that's why Defensor has nothing yet considering they can't really put Groove in until they get the UW Groove. So it's possible we will get him, but not for a while at least. G2 Rook still would be pretty cool nonetheless
Oh I am pretty certain this is the case. Which means either we get Defensor with deluxe Groove or not at all.
Which, despite only being in G2 colors, it would be nice for some collectors to get a whole default Defensor. But at the same time, these box sets have been including the sixth figure, so if Groove were used as a limb, who would the 6th be?
william-james88 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:william-james88 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I would hedge a bet that they are trying to do the G2 sets using original rosters only, and that's why Defensor has nothing yet considering they can't really put Groove in until they get the UW Groove. So it's possible we will get him, but not for a while at least. G2 Rook still would be pretty cool nonetheless
Oh I am pretty certain this is the case. Which means either we get Defensor with deluxe Groove or not at all.
Which, despite only being in G2 colors, it would be nice for some collectors to get a whole default Defensor. But at the same time, these box sets have been including the sixth figure, so if Groove were used as a limb, who would the 6th be?
Override?
Delta Magnus wrote:This is because you are a hamhanded idiot.
william-james88 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:william-james88 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I would hedge a bet that they are trying to do the G2 sets using original rosters only, and that's why Defensor has nothing yet considering they can't really put Groove in until they get the UW Groove. So it's possible we will get him, but not for a while at least. G2 Rook still would be pretty cool nonetheless
Oh I am pretty certain this is the case. Which means either we get Defensor with deluxe Groove or not at all.
Which, despite only being in G2 colors, it would be nice for some collectors to get a whole default Defensor. But at the same time, these box sets have been including the sixth figure, so if Groove were used as a limb, who would the 6th be?
Override?
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:william-james88 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:william-james88 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I would hedge a bet that they are trying to do the G2 sets using original rosters only, and that's why Defensor has nothing yet considering they can't really put Groove in until they get the UW Groove. So it's possible we will get him, but not for a while at least. G2 Rook still would be pretty cool nonetheless
Oh I am pretty certain this is the case. Which means either we get Defensor with deluxe Groove or not at all.
Which, despite only being in G2 colors, it would be nice for some collectors to get a whole default Defensor. But at the same time, these box sets have been including the sixth figure, so if Groove were used as a limb, who would the 6th be?
Override?
G2 Override. That would be a story to tell
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