The Energon Pub

I think that they will be 40 robots in this movie cause of the new factions in it.

Autobots

Decepticons - Led Bye Starscream

Decepticons - Led Bye Soundwave

The Fallen - He will have Protectors Guardians

Not unless they will have just 1 group of cons under Starsceams leadership.


Also I think that The Fallen will not be alone he will have like Temple Gauardians protecting him sort of like a Sub-Faction.

They will be like ancient transformers without ALT modes they will be just in Protoforms also the Fallen he will be some sort of Tank for his ALT Mode.

Also I have done counted over 28 robots that will be in the movie also alot of the cons have not been mentioned yet just the main ones.


So it will be

Autobots 15

Deciptons 15

The Fallen 10 making the total 40


Also they have been alot of new TF toys out and I think many of them will be in the move but most will not.

Springer Alt Mode similar to Blackout
Thunder Cracker F-22 Raptor
Thrust F-22 Raptor

Devestator is going to be made like Transformers Energon Prime he will be over 50 feet tall. But Devestator's face will look sort of like a Monkey or Gorilla type.

My guesses on his color will be Black and Green maybe some yellow.

his components will be made up of 6 construction vechicles.

Earth Mover Main Body
Back Hoe Arm
Dump Truck Leg
Mix Machine Leg
Missing Head
Missing Torso


2 more but i cant think of anymore contruction vechiles

I was hoping soundwave would be a Hummer H4 with a Satellite Dish on top of the roof mounted on to it.

This way he can be a mobile Survilance vechicle. Also he could blend in more with Military such as NEST.

My guesses on NEST is they must be remnants of Sector-7. either that or a Top Secrect branch of the goverment similar that of Sector-7 that monitors all transformers activities on EARTH.

lol

Wow, what a totally unfounded amount of opinionated gibberish.

First off, this is NEST. They are not related to Sector 7.

Second, is this based on any facts? Or are you either guessing or just making a wish list?

Third, think about it: 40 bots and no less than 7 humans. If they were to give, on average, ten minutes to each character, the movie would be just under eight hours.

various sources on the net, from on here, also at the official transformers movie blog.

Is where I get most of my info.


Look I dont know how many bots exactly will be in it but I do no that they will be way more than TF 1 had in it.

The production value for TF 2 is around 200 million while TF 1 was only around 100 or so million.


That explains why they were so little robots or cybertron shown in TF 1.


Autobots
Optimus
BB
Ratchet
Sideswipe Bicentenial vette
3 mini cars unkown
Arcee
Iron Hide

Decepticons
Starscream
Devestator
Sounwave
Blackout
Frenzy
Ravage
Jet Fire but he will turn to Autobot
Megatron is an unconfirmed situation at the moment 50/50


Also many toys have been announced

Springer
Dirge
Thrust
Ramjet
Thundercracker

and new ones shown on here.

Many may just be as toy-line but some will be in the movie.


Unkown which those will be as they are keeping the bots pretty secretive this time.

Nothing will be knows until we see this 1st trailer at the Super Bowl.

Rodimus2006 wrote:various sources on the net, from on here, also at the official transformers movie blog.

Is where I get most of my info.


Look I dont know how many bots exactly will be in it but I do no that they will be way more than TF 1 had in it.

The production value for TF 2 is around 200 million while TF 1 was only around 100 or so million.


That explains why they were so little robots or cybertron shown in TF 1.


Autobots
Optimus
BB
Ratchet
Sideswipe Bicentenial vette
3 mini cars unkown
Arcee
Iron Hide

Decepticons
Starscream
Devestator
Sounwave
Blackout
Frenzy
Ravage
Jet Fire but he will turn to Autobot
Megatron is an unconfirmed situation at the moment 50/50


Also many toys have been announced

Springer
Dirge
Thrust
Ramjet
Thundercracker

and new ones shown on here.

Many may just be as toy-line but some will be in the movie.


Unkown which those will be as they are keeping the bots pretty secretive this time.

Nothing will be knows until we see this 1st trailer at the Super Bowl.

frenzy and blackout are dead bay said no dead tfs from the first movie are commin back.

40 is a plesant suprise, but here's what I know so far from the info on the sites.

Optimus Prime
Ironhide
Ratchet
Bumblebee
Skids
the redish chevy trax
Sideswipe
Jolt - rememember the volt not being a transformer?
arcee-lets say her and the other bikes are three
Prowl???--a chevy malibu police car, seen at the bethlehem steel site, that looks suspisous

I dont know why, but at least one of those Nest hummers has to be something.

Jetfire
the Fallen
Ravage
Starscream- dont think I need to confirm that...
Soundwave
The constructicons- thats seven more
Baricade-- is still out there
Scorponok
The little robot that attacks Sam at college

Even with that its around 28 robots

It would make sense for the autobots to be outnumbered, and for characters to die and get replaced in the movie.

Starscream is comming with followers, and there could be some flashbacks that involves ancient transformers.

that all I got, anybody find out more info?

Thats a lot of bots

The Little Frenzy Like Robot seen around Sam's College maybe Alice which many to be she may be a Pretender to lure Sam into a Decipticon Trap.


Also I say the Frenzy like Robot maybe Ravage or Lazerbeak or Frenzy which is Rumble's evil twin.


Megatron is not going to be in the movie this has been confirmed bye Mr. Bay but you no how Mr. Bay is about is mis-leading info campaign.

If Megatron will be in the Movie it will be in towards the end of the movie like with the 1st one.


Also rumors going around that they are going to use Scorpinok in order to revive the Fallen Leader.


But the Guy you people see in the Teaser Poster is not Megatron, is not Sounwave nor is it Jet Fire.

It is the Fallen, one of the original 13 transformers created bye Primus like in the IDW comics. He is also confirmed to be the Father of all of the Decipticons he is there creator. Not Megatron, Megatron is more like their caretaker or father like figure he is just thier supreme commander.


Also the Fallen will be off Excoskeletan-Design and he is rumored to have tenacles also.


Is the bot we seen in previous pics of the robot stuck in the wall.


Also Jet Fire is a seperate bot he is the SR-71 Blackbird seen at the Smithsonian.

Sounwave is also seperate he is a Cybertronian Satellite Dish he has one eyes and a Mouth Visor. But is rumored to get an Earth Upgrade ALT Mode.


Over all I am just curious on How the Fallen is awaken. Also I am more curious about what part Megatron will play in it as well.

We no Megatron will be in it one form or another such as flash-back scenes or some sort of other varaitions.


Also I hope we get a more in-depth look at Cybertron this time around to me the new cybertron reminds of the world In Season 3 where Kup killed that giant glowing Green Monster.

It is not Char, Char is a burnt out destroyed world nor is it the volcanic world were Galvatron was stuck in a lava pit.

Nor Web-World where Megatron was instuted for being nutty.

...Where are you getting all of this?

by the way, The Fallen can't be one of the original 13, because Primus hasn't been shown to exist in this continuity. TF life was bestowed by the Allspark, not Primus. And the Allspark couldn't be some kind of avatar for Primus, or some culmination of his power, since I don't think Primus is the type to make all his creations psychotic killers. (Dispensor, Nokia-bot, etc)

Look at one point in the beginning of time The Fallen was actually a good guy then for some unkown reasons decided to turn on Primus he then joined up with Unicron.


Read the IDW Comics and other comics it will show that the Fallen is indeed one of the 13 original transformers.


Also the Allspark is just an ancient artifact of immense power that brings life to transformers such as the Phone or the Mountain Dew Machine basically it turns any mechanical object into a Transformer.

In the cartoon series Primus is the creator of all the Transformers.

Remember Cybertron this was explained in great detail about what Primus really was.

Rodimus2006 wrote:Look at one point in the beginning of time The Fallen was actually a good guy then for some unkown reasons decided to turn on Primus he then joined up with Unicron.

...Sorry, what? They have never said anything like that in the movies.

Rodimus2006 wrote:Read the IDW Comics and other comics it will show that the Fallen is indeed one of the 13 original transformers.

It was also in the Dreamwave comics...but not in the movie. And reusing old names in new continuities is nothing new.

Rodimus2006 wrote:Also the Allspark is just an ancient artifact of immense power that brings life to transformers such as the Phone or the Mountain Dew Machine basically it turns any mechanical object into a Transformer.

It also has the ability to turn any planet into a similar state as Cybertron, not at all dissimilar to the Key of Vector Sigma.

Rodimus2006 wrote:In the cartoon series Primus is the creator of all the Transformers.

Remember Cybertron this was explained in great detail about what Primus really was.

Yes, he was the creator of all TFs...in the cartoons. But this is not the cartoons, this is the movie series. The AllSpark is what created Cybertron and the Transformers. As Prime said "It holds the power to create worlds and fill them with life. That is how our race was born."

The Key to Vector Sigma just Activates the Chamber of Vector Sigma creating artificial intelligence to Transformers or there Life Force.

Also the Key to Vector Sigma has negative effects on Earth turning Organic Material to Cybetronian Metal thus Megatron creating a Second Cybetron but was Ultimatly stoped bye the Aerial Bots.


Look the movies and the cartoons are always diffrent cause they dont want the movies to be like the cartoon series as it wouldnt translate correctly onto the big screen.


So I guess that is why they went with The Allspark instead of Primus or the Cyber Planet Keys or the Key to Vector Sigma.


They do use some references from the cartoon series such as characters and stuff but nothing more.


Overall I am just curious about what is going to be in the Teaser Trailer.

Also Curious about how the Opening of TF 2 will start out again will we here Optimus talking about The Fallen something like For Millions of years before Megatron crash Landed on Earth, something has been hidden away even more dangerous than Megatron. Something that has been awoken, something that is seeking Revenge, Revenge of the Fallen.

Then we open up with the Deserts of Egypt sort of like how Black Out was flying towards the Iraqi Base.

Maybe it will be starscream and other cons going toward the temples cause they found some sort of wierd energy signal.


Overall I am stoked about TF 2. I can not wait for TF 2 but it is not all bad they are cool stuff to keep me busy until then.


The Fast & The Furious 4
Friday the 13th (Re-Boot) A Micheal Bay Film
Star Trek (Re-Boot)
Dragonball-Evolution
Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun-Li


Star Ocean-The Last Hope
Star Ocean-2nd Evolution
Dragon Quest V-Hand of the Heavenly Bride
Phantasy Star Portable
Resident Evil 5
WWE: Legends of Wrestlemania
Alpha Protocol
Mass Effect-Game of the Year Edition

Dragonball Z - Season 7, 8, 9, 10
Dragonball GT - Season 2

Stargate-Universe
Transformers-Animated Season 3

Rodimus2006 wrote:The Key to Vector Sigma just Activates the Chamber of Vector Sigma creating artificial intelligence to Transformers or there Life Force.

Also the Key to Vector Sigma has negative effects on Earth turning Organic Material to Cybetronian Metal thus Megatron creating a Second Cybetron but was Ultimatly stoped bye the Aerial Bots.

Exactly. it's been shown that the AllSpark can turn planets into replica of Cybertron.

Rodimus2006 wrote:So I guess that is why they went with The Allspark instead of Primus or the Cyber Planet Keys or the Key to Vector Sigma.

And since Primus doesn't exist, The Fallen can't be one of the Original 13.

Rodimus2006 wrote:Then we open up with the Deserts of Egypt sort of like how Black Out was flying towards the Iraqi Base.

The base Blackout attacked was in Qatar.

I know that is Quatar, I forgot. I am saying maybe we will get a new opener like with a huge battle scenes at the 1st of the movie.

Maybe another one where we are tooken to Sam's College.


Here is how I think the movie will start up.


The movie will open up in its usual flare with Optimus Prime talking about the Fallen the anienct transformer who has been asleep way before Megatron crash Landed.


Then the movie opens up after Optimus's indtrotucion. Then we are taking to a huge battle scene with some cons and the humans & Autobots. This maybe the battle with the Downtown China or it could be the Pittsburg Steel Plant we seen since day 1.


Then after that scene we go to Sam's college, Sam has some sort of shard or fragment of the Allspark most likely the remanining peice Optimus Took out of Megatron. It causes Sam to flip out sort of like how his Great Grandfather Captian Whitwhickey did when he got scaned bye Megatron information overload I guess. I guess what it does is burn the Cybertron Encyclopedia into the user's brain.

Thus explains why Sam was able to read a book in less than minute. Then the class takes a trip to the Smithsonian Museum maybe Sam's Allspark shard comes into play here and Turn's the SR-71 Blackbird into Jet Fire or it could already be a Robot just waiting to what plays out.

Then all hell breakes loose, then we go to Sam attending a local college frat party this is were he will meet alice who is realy a pretender. I guess she must be after Sam's Allspark Shard.


Then the Parents call Sam while on vacation they are in Spain, then a robot starts attacking.


Then after these events I have no clue as to how the movie will play out. This is just basically just the 1st Hr I am explaing that leaves us with the remaing 1hr 35 minutes remaining.

I say the movie will be a little longer than TF 1 maybe around 2hrs & 35 minutes.

This is just my theory on how TF 2 may swing I peiced it together from all of the videos we have seen and various location pics we have also seen.

Cool and I hope Megatron is back!!! I ve heard that he actually did ressurect in the Defiance comic....So my guess is that BAy just bullshited us and that He not only a toy and that they will be a Superion cuz they filmed at the airplane boneyard grave site...

See, I told you people they would be 40 Robots in the movie it has been confirmed bye Orci in one of his latest reviews.

So once again I was right about the movie, but what I dont know is how the bots will be split up.

How many will be on the Decipticons and how many will be on the Autobots and how many will be with the Fallen.


The reason i say that about the Fallen is because they have the Fallen listed as a group also he could have sort of Gaurdian Robots to protect him will he is asleep or hibernation or cryostasis whatever you wanna call it.


But over all if the few robots in the 1st TF caused as much damage as they did in that one. Imagine how many 40 robots will cause and throw in Devestator and the Rumored Superion into the mix and they wont **** left of Earth.

Hell, look how much Black Out did bye himself at the Quatar Base and that was just him bye himself. Then at the end of the movie look how much they destroyed Mission City with just that few of Bots.

I am just saying the destruction is going to be off the chart in TF 2 and now it will be Global instead of just in One Area or State.


Also will John Keller be back as the Secret of Defense I heard something saying he would like to be in it. I think in this movie he should be the President.

I love Jon Voight one of my favorite movies with him in it is ENEMY OF THE STATE he had little roles in Tomb Raider as Laura Croft's father.

But overall at least they will be more bots in the movie but little has been shown of the Decipticons and I hope they will tell us more about them some espically the unkown Decipticon Audi-R8 which I still think is another new Character like Barricade was.

But yeah I cant wait for the Teaser Trailer Sunday whatever the length of it will be 30, 60 or 90 seconds it should reveal to us more about the movie and help clarify a few things.

So is there any way of proving this isn't a piece of the misinformation campaign?

No this isnt a mis leading info campaign, when in fact they have already at least 20 something robots seen in various pics, vids and info released by various sources.


Also most of the decipticons have yet to be seen.


Also this has been mentioned in Q & A Segments with Orci.

Forty is way too many for a single movie. It'd be better if Bay focused on the stories and personalities of no more than 4 TFs at a time. That way the movies could present a more coherent picture of the differences between the autobots and the decepticons. The original series did a great job of this in a very short period of time.

Rodimus2006 wrote:No this isnt a mis leading info campaign, when in fact they have already at least 20 something robots seen in various pics, vids and info released by various sources.

So can we see the pics, vids and info, the the sources?

Rodimus2006 wrote:Also most of the decipticons have yet to be seen.

That's, of course, if you're taking this at face value.

Rodimus2006 wrote:Also this has been mentioned in Q & A Segments with Orci.

Yes, believe someone who is in the misinformation campaign...

And even if this is true, who's to say any of the TFs will simply be cannon fodder, or even have names? What about that bot in the first movie that Megatron was shown impaling in the flashback?

what if? thrown together with spare parts? transformers III thrust