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Dagon wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:I also agree with your work to unite us in some way, and although I try to do that, sometimes I get off track and let my emotions get the best of me.

I know. It's because you love this stuff, which is why we are all here. Just never stop loving it becasue some one else doesn't.

As for the PCCs, I never thought of it, but it does seem like more movie figure fans should be fans of them, because they do seem really similar to me, at least. They do have some real visual similarities at the very least, and the design doesn't seem that far off from ROTF Devestator. And it doesn't matter that the drones don't transform, because there's like 1,000 pages of 'explainations' about Devestator not needing to be the actual Constructicons and so on. Hell, they could all be drones in that case. The PCCs distort the drone vehicle just enough to make me think of Devs at least.

Thanks again for the advice.
I also thought the same about PCCs. I think they can fit in woth the movie guys, but I think they could fit with classics too. To me they have a sort of "in between" design that I like. I don't mind the "no robot mode" drones either, because I still like the compatibility they have with all the other commanders so you can create your own robot. Which reminds me I still need an ROTF Devastator. I just think he's too cool to pass up.

Black Bumblebee wrote:Okay, here's my three cents (I give extra cents, because I'm thoughtful like that). First off, I'm not someone who is against people enjoying the movies. Far from it; if people enjoy it, that's fine. The more popular Transformers are, the better, in my opinion.

And truth be told, I didn't mind the first movie so much. It introduced the characters, had a decent amount of action, and had some goofy charm. And the sequel had such great "potential" for being a good movie--there was a story in there that could have really rocked, if it was done correctly.

I think my main problem with the movie franchise is that when I tell people I am a Transformers fan, I worry that they automatically connect me to those movies. The second movie had so much offensiveness that I did not want my 13 year old daughter to watch it. I thought the humor was crude, and many of the characters were annoying. I did not want my family connecting me with the movie franchise.

Take for example, Optimus Prime. Yes, he's a stereotypical hero, but he was my child hood hero. He was "the good guy" who took a stand for what was right. When I watch that second movie, even though its Cullen's voice, I do not see Optimus Prime--I see a vicious killing machine. There's no connection there. It's not my hero.

I dislike the movies as I fear it will have a negative impact on the franchise as a whole. That parents, who saw the movies will go "oh no, my child isn't buying a toy from a film with that level of violence/racism/sexism/vulgarity/bad writing."

Again, I'm not against people enjoying these movies. But that's more or less the main reason why I have problems with them. I don't want to pick a fight, and I'm sure you could probably dissect my reasons and find fault with their logic. But that's where I am, in my gut.

WOW!

You summed up everything that bothered me at the back of my mind about the movies in one brilliant post. I still love the movies, but if I was a parent I'd probably have picked up on your point about Prime, the one point you made that I missed. He does come off in the second film especially as more of a killing machine/super soldier than the brilliant, compassionate leader who puts it all on the line to protect those weaker than himself.

As someone with younger cousins who need to be a little insulated, I was very upset with the "Sam's happy time" joke. I fast forwarded parts of scene 13 because of that, and I've told friends who dislike that type of humor to skip the entire scene, especially if children are present. Unfortunately, you miss the hilarious stuff with the Autobots right before and after that adult joke if your flat out skip the scene. I did not find the humor in the second movie to be quite that offensive, but saying it's not for kids is an understatement since a lot of it was "Austin Powers" humor.

Personally, I think most(I said most) boycotts are pretty lame. If you don't like something, don't buy, use or watch it. What's the point in trying to organize some kind of movement against something. I really loved the first movie, the second was ok but had lots of problems imo. But I'm definitely going to check out the third.

Jesus tap-dancing christ, will you get over it already? We get it. You love the movies and you don't like people who choose to not like it and voice their opinions. SO WHAT? Could you keep it out of at least some of the threads?

Im tired of this bullshit too! Every got damn time I turn somthing on, some one is in my f*king face going on about how the movies suck. Especially ROTF. I'm still trying to figure out, how in the name of ass can you like the first movie, and not ROTF. I'm still trying to figure it out. ROTF had better everything, and people don't like it? Kiss my ass! Of course it had some dumb ass moments, but the first movie doesnt?

It has better action, more robots, better story, more clarity, no shaky cam, G1 homages up my ass, and all of this is what people asked for, and you're still not pleased? ROTF even had parts of the movie that connect to the mythology of the certain setting that the movie took place, and even connected it to real life theories, things that scientists still believe, and you still want to say it's a stupid movie? WTF do you want damnit!? You want Megatron coming through the screen and killing everyone? Is that what you want? Damn, I'm so f*king pissed at this. I can't even enjoy my life because people won't get over it. If you don't like the movie, leave it the hell alone! Stop coming back and criticizing it all the damn time! You have better things to do, go talk about a movie you like!

And stop sending mother f*kers my way! I don't care if you want Bay dead, I don't care that he went back in time and raped you when you where a child, I don't care that you want to kill him, I don't care that I'm unevolved for liking a movie, I don't care that you want to slaughter my family for liking it, I don't care about any of that crap! So stop sending us these dumb ass rants all the got damn time! I swear to crap, if **** goes on like this for the third movie, I'm going to freak the hell out.

Can't you understand that it's a movie!? Its ment to separate us from the boring, depressing, monotonus, bullcrap of real life and emerse some people into the damn movie who actually enjoy it. You can't let go of it? You can't let it go? And you think people who like the movie are stupid? How much more stupid can you get than believing that Michael Bay litterally went back in time to when you where a child and raped you? Thats the dumbest **** I've ever heard.

Black Bumblebee wrote:Take for example, Optimus Prime. Yes, he's a stereotypical hero, but he was my child hood hero. He was "the good guy" who took a stand for what was right. When I watch that second movie, even though its Cullen's voice, I do not see Optimus Prime--I see a vicious killing machine. There's no connection there. It's not my hero.

This is all opinionated. Because when I think of a hero, when I imagine what I would do as a hero, I imagine some one who slaughters an army of bad guys with no regrets, guilt, or second thoughts for the good of what they are fighting for.

Black Bumblebee wrote:
I dislike the movies as I fear it will have a negative impact on the franchise as a whole. That parents, who saw the movies will go "oh no, my child isn't buying a toy from a film with that level of violence/racism/sexism/vulgarity/bad writing."

Get over it. Thats the way things are in the real world, thats all the real world is. A bunch of killing, raping, discrimination, and vulgarity.

Sly, i've pulled you up once over your language, and i'm doing it again.

Please tone down the language.

Burn wrote:Sly, i've pulled you up once over your language, and i'm doing it again.

Please tone down the language.

I'm sorry, I just get really excited...on the internet.

Burn wrote:Please tone down the language.

FINALLY! Someone that understands how I feel! *Hugs Burn* Oh, uh, *steps back ten feet* Yeah, anyways, nobody needs to see bad language, no one WANTS (well, there are those people...) to see bad language used repetitively in the same sentence!

Back on topic, I really, don't care who likes the movie, and who doesn't. Can we just get back to talking about movie news?

BINGO! I've got it! Make a thread just for talking about how much people hate the movies!

#Sideways# wrote:

Burn wrote:Please tone down the language.

FINALLY! Someone that understands how I feel! *Hugs Burn* Oh, uh, *steps back ten feet*

eh, if you're single, female, and legal age, it's all good.

BINGO! I've got it! Make a thread just for talking about how much people hate the movies!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

If people want to see that, hop in the Wayback Machine and travel to some of the oldest threads in the movie forum.
I still have nightmares from when that first movie came out and the haters it brought with it. Current day haters are nothing compared to those guys.

Burn wrote:

#Sideways# wrote:

Burn wrote:Please tone down the language.

FINALLY! Someone that understands how I feel! *Hugs Burn* Oh, uh, *steps back ten feet*

eh, if you're single, female, and legal age, it's all good.

BINGO! I've got it! Make a thread just for talking about how much people hate the movies!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

If people want to see that, hop in the Wayback Machine and travel to some of the oldest threads in the movie forum.
I still have nightmares from when that first movie came out and the haters it brought with it. Current day haters are nothing compared to those guys.

Sorry! I'm none of those things you specified.

Yeah, KILLING Optimus was a bad idea for Hasbro, they probably should of made him banished to the stars because of Megatron manipulating the Cybertronian council or something. Anywhom, can we just start back to talking about Transformers and not how the haters feel about it?

Probably should get some sleeping pills about that creepy hater nightmare...

OKAY I GET IT! I'm an idiot that posted a really dumb overdone subject. I've beentold that a million times. I don't even care if this gets deleted from the forum now. I already said I apologized for posting this. End complaints.

And please for the love of Primus stop the vulgarity to defend your opinion. It is not needed.

OptiMagnus10 wrote:And please for the love of Primus stop the vulgarity to defend your opinion. It is not needed.

Ahem, Moderator has already stepped in and requested that.

Even though I hated ROTF, I will still most likely go see the third one. And I was on the board back when ROTF came out and was involved in a few of those discussions, but I can't remember my user name. My reason for not liking it still stands though. The story was weak, the pacing was way off, and that the Transformers just felt like plot pieces rather than characters. That was it. I just felt it could have been better. I didn't go in expecting The Godfather, Chinatown, or The English Patient, or Masterpiece Theater. I just felt that it could have been better than what it was.

Burn wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:And please for the love of Primus stop the vulgarity to defend your opinion. It is not needed.

Ahem, Moderator has already stepped in and requested that.

I know I was just backing you up because I was in agreement.

MagnusRex wrote:Even though I hated ROTF, I will still most likely go see the third one. And I was on the board back when ROTF came out and was involved in a few of those discussions, but I can't remember my user name. My reason for not liking it still stands though. The story was weak, the pacing was way off, and that the Transformers just felt like plot pieces rather than characters. That was it. I just felt it could have been better. I didn't go in expecting The Godfather, Chinatown, or The English Patient, or Masterpiece Theater. I just felt that it could have been better than what it was.

I actually agree with your point about them just ending up being plot pieces. They really didn't do much until toward the end. It's all about Sam Sam Sam Sam...and Mikaela...and Sam and more Sam.

By the way sweet username man.

OptiMagnus10 wrote:

MagnusRex wrote:Even though I hated ROTF, I will still most likely go see the third one. And I was on the board back when ROTF came out and was involved in a few of those discussions, but I can't remember my user name. My reason for not liking it still stands though. The story was weak, the pacing was way off, and that the Transformers just felt like plot pieces rather than characters. That was it. I just felt it could have been better. I didn't go in expecting The Godfather, Chinatown, or The English Patient, or Masterpiece Theater. I just felt that it could have been better than what it was.

I actually agree with your point about them just ending up being plot pieces. They really didn't do much until toward the end. It's all about Sam Sam Sam Sam...and Mikaela...and Sam and more Sam.

By the way sweet username man.

And what was the first movie? I bet the robots in the first movie where developed like humans whern't they? Honestly, they where more of plot peaces in the first movie. The first movie was a car commercial. It would have been a cool movie without the Transformers, it looked like they just threw them in there.

SlyTF1 wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:

MagnusRex wrote:Even though I hated ROTF, I will still most likely go see the third one. And I was on the board back when ROTF came out and was involved in a few of those discussions, but I can't remember my user name. My reason for not liking it still stands though. The story was weak, the pacing was way off, and that the Transformers just felt like plot pieces rather than characters. That was it. I just felt it could have been better. I didn't go in expecting The Godfather, Chinatown, or The English Patient, or Masterpiece Theater. I just felt that it could have been better than what it was.

I actually agree with your point about them just ending up being plot pieces. They really didn't do much until toward the end. It's all about Sam Sam Sam Sam...and Mikaela...and Sam and more Sam.

By the way sweet username man.

And what was the first movie? I bet the robots in the first movie where developed like humans whern't they? Honestly, they where more of plot peaces in the first movie. The first movie was a car commercial. It would have been a cool movie without the Transformers, it looked like they just threw them in there.

Well in the first movie they weren't developed either, but I was only speaking on ROTF. But, I can lump them both together in my original comment and I'll add to it. They were more like E.T. and the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park. They were the situation, the thing happening to the human characters. In the first movie, Bumblebee is Sam's E.T. He doesn't talk, he has some huge dopey eyes, and he was taken by government agents. All the others were just caricatures of characters from a 22 minute 1980's toy commercial, but in the 22 minute 1980's toy commercial we got to know them better. My only beef with the movies, is that for what they are, they could have been better.

MagnusRex wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:

MagnusRex wrote:Even though I hated ROTF, I will still most likely go see the third one. And I was on the board back when ROTF came out and was involved in a few of those discussions, but I can't remember my user name. My reason for not liking it still stands though. The story was weak, the pacing was way off, and that the Transformers just felt like plot pieces rather than characters. That was it. I just felt it could have been better. I didn't go in expecting The Godfather, Chinatown, or The English Patient, or Masterpiece Theater. I just felt that it could have been better than what it was.

I actually agree with your point about them just ending up being plot pieces. They really didn't do much until toward the end. It's all about Sam Sam Sam Sam...and Mikaela...and Sam and more Sam.

By the way sweet username man.

And what was the first movie? I bet the robots in the first movie where developed like humans whern't they? Honestly, they where more of plot peaces in the first movie. The first movie was a car commercial. It would have been a cool movie without the Transformers, it looked like they just threw them in there.

Well in the first movie they weren't developed either, but I was only speaking on ROTF. But, I can lump them both together in my original comment and I'll add to it. They were more like E.T. and the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park. They were the situation, the thing happening to the human characters. In the first movie, Bumblebee is Sam's E.T. He doesn't talk, he has some huge dopey eyes, and he was taken by government agents. All the others were just caricatures of characters from a 22 minute 1980's toy commercial, but in the 22 minute 1980's toy commercial we got to know them better. My only beef with the movies, is that for what they are, they could have been better.

Well, if it was like that, then what's the point of live action? Most of it would be CG anyway. I mean, thats why I like Animated and Prime better than the movies, but for a live action movie, it just wouldn't be live action. One other thing is that in the first movie, the only robot that played an important part in the movie was Megatron. Every one else was just there to fill in the name. In ROTF, alot of robots played a part, Jetfire, The Fallen, Megatron, Starscream, Optimus, Demolioshor, even Wheelie contributed. So, maybe in TF 3, more robots will play more important roles and have more to do with the movie.

[quote="SlyTF1
Well, if it was like that, then what's the point of live action? Most of it would be CG anyway. I mean, thats why I like Animated and Prime better than the movies, but for a live action movie, it just wouldn't be live action. One other thing is that in the first movie, the only robot that played an important part in the movie was Megatron. Every one else was just there to fill in the name. In ROTF, alot of robots played a part, Jetfire, The Fallen, Megatron, Starscream, Optimus, Demolioshor, even Wheelie contributed. So, maybe in TF 3, more robots will play more important roles and have more to do with the movie.[/quote]

Both movies should have been mostly CG. Avatar is a perfect example of how both Transformers movies should have been made. The majority of the movie should have been CG with about 25% being live action. And yes, in ROTF a lot of the robots did play a part. And that's the key word, "part." It wasn't their movie though. They were not the stars. It was Sam's movie. And that's what a lot of people had a problem with.

With that said, I am looking forward to TF 3. I do want to see how they are going to close out this interpretation of the franchise, and I do think that it will be better than the previous two.

The Movieverse is what got me back into Transformers. I watched ROTF 4 times in the theaters(that is a lot for me) and got it on BD with Transforming case on day one. Started to get the figs a little after and havnt stoped since. I've only been collecting for a couple years but I have over 200, mostly movie figs but I got a whole bunch of classics on ebay and BBTS. I owe my collection to the movieverse.

Darth Rodimus wrote:The Movieverse is what got me back into Transformers.

Me too! I saw the first movie when it came out on DVD, but it didn't give me Tranformer-itis until ROTF came out. Then I was hooked all over again - I had the bug pretty bad in my teens. I've got a few toys since then (AGGGGH! Still can't find Blurr!) but I've purchased most of the TPB's and I keep hoping Ongoing will get better.

Are you from Denver, or just like the Broncos - they definitely need a new head coach!

Darth Rodimus wrote:The Movieverse is what got me back into Transformers. I watched ROTF 4 times in the theaters(that is a lot for me) and got it on BD with Transforming case on day one. Started to get the figs a little after and havnt stoped since. I've only been collecting for a couple years but I have over 200, mostly movie figs but I got a whole bunch of classics on ebay and BBTS. I owe my collection to the movieverse.

Yay! I have found a second person person like me. The movieverse really sealed the deal in me getting back into Transformers. I thoroughly enjoyed both and like you I can't watch them enough. If it hadn't been for Michael Bay and his whole crew, I'd be collecting something else...like Star Wars or something. I never really realized how great Transformers were until the movie universe was unleashed. That's why I do not understand how it can be "destructive" to the brand, because it's bringing the old fans back and attacting new ones. I myself have just started actually "collecting", and I expect at least 10 new Transformers for Christmas, most from ROTF. Most of my figures are from the movieverse, also. I currently own around ten times less Transformers than you do, to my knowledge (I know, I know I shouldn't be here "'cause I don't have enough to be fan"). I'm glad to hear that the movieverse is having the same effect on others as it does to me.

Stormer wrote:

Darth Rodimus wrote:The Movieverse is what got me back into Transformers.

Me too! I saw the first movie when it came out on DVD, but it didn't give me Tranformer-itis until ROTF came out. Then I was hooked all over again - I had the bug pretty bad in my teens. I've got a few toys since then (AGGGGH! Still can't find Blurr!) but I've purchased most of the TPB's and I keep hoping Ongoing will get better.

Yet another person like me! This is what I was hoping to find with this thread. And I can't find Blurr either! It's driving me nuts!

OptiMagnus10 wrote:That's why I do not understand how it can be "destructive" to the brand, because it's bringing the old fans back and attacting new ones.

Because there are those fans who never left the fandom who SIMPLY DO NOT LIKE things about the movieverse and prefer some of the older stuff, and no i'm not referring just to GEEWUNNERS.
And I found Blurr yesterday. ner ner to you all!