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by **Stormer** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:32 pm

Burn wrote:
OptiMagnus10 wrote:That's why I do not understand how it can be "destructive" to the brand, because it's bringing the old fans back and attacting new ones.

Because there are those fans who never left the fandom who SIMPLY DO NOT LIKE things about the movieverse and prefer some of the older stuff, and no i'm not referring just to GEEWUNNERS.
And I found Blurr yesterday. ner ner to you all!

I see that Burn! It wasn't small enough! Dang! If you weren't in Australia I'd ask you to grab a Blurr for me!

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:07 pm

Fairly certain he was the only one out anyway. Nice figure. Better than the Almighty Autobot Saviour. :roll:

by **OptiMagnus** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:16 pm

Stormer wrote:
Burn wrote:
OptiMagnus10 wrote:That's why I do not understand how it can be "destructive" to the brand, because it's bringing the old fans back and attacting new ones.

Because there are those fans who never left the fandom who SIMPLY DO NOT LIKE things about the movieverse and prefer some of the older stuff, and no i'm not referring just to GEEWUNNERS.
And I found Blurr yesterday. ner ner to you all!

I see that Burn! It wasn't small enough! Dang! If you weren't in Australia I'd ask you to grab a Blurr for me!

The small print doesn't work Burn. I SEE EVERYTHING!!! I envy you with all the envy my brain can generate...until it explodes. :BOOM:

I want Blurr so slagging bad (along with Dirge).
And I understand people simply do not like the movieverse, or Animated, or the Beast Era etc., but I simply do not understand why a person can find it "destructive to the brand" when in fact the continuity in question proves to be successful and actually makes Transformers a more popular brand. It can't kill the brand if it lifts it to new heights, can it?

News Credits: 37 · by **SlyTF1** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:19 pm

OptiMagnus10 wrote:
Darth Rodimus wrote:The Movieverse is what got me back into Transformers. I watched ROTF 4 times in the theaters(that is a lot for me) and got it on BD with Transforming case on day one. Started to get the figs a little after and havnt stoped since. I've only been collecting for a couple years but I have over 200, mostly movie figs but I got a whole bunch of classics on ebay and BBTS. I owe my collection to the movieverse.

Yay! I have found a second person person like me. The movieverse really sealed the deal in me getting back into Transformers. I thoroughly enjoyed both and like you I can't watch them enough. If it hadn't been for Michael Bay and his whole crew, I'd be collecting something else...like Star Wars or something. I never really realized how great Transformers were until the movie universe was unleashed. That's why I do not understand how it can be "destructive" to the brand, because it's bringing the old fans back and attacting new ones. I myself have just started actually "collecting", and I expect at least 10 new Transformers for Christmas, most from ROTF. Most of my figures are from the movieverse, also. I currently own around ten times less Transformers than you do, to my knowledge (I know, I know I shouldn't be here "'cause I don't have enough to be fan"). I'm glad to hear that the movieverse is having the same effect on others as it does to me.

Same here, but I wouldn't be collecting anything. I'd just be sleep all day with nothing to do. There are only 2 things I care about in my life.

1. Video games
and
2. Transformers.
3. OOh, and directing my own movies/videos

If it wasn't for the movies, there would be nothing for me to live for. Life would be boring as hell, but the movies got me back into TFs and gave me somthing to care about. Which is why I get pissed if someone talks bad about ROTF, because I care about it, it's the only thing I care about.

Also, if it whern't for the movies or TFs, I'd most likely have more than 1 friend...which would probobly have gotten me killed anyway, so thats a good thing.

by **Stormer** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:33 pm

OptiMagnus10 wrote:
Stormer wrote:
Burn wrote:
OptiMagnus10 wrote:That's why I do not understand how it can be "destructive" to the brand, because it's bringing the old fans back and attacting new ones.

Because there are those fans who never left the fandom who SIMPLY DO NOT LIKE things about the movieverse and prefer some of the older stuff, and no i'm not referring just to GEEWUNNERS.
And I found Blurr yesterday. ner ner to you all!

I see that Burn! It wasn't small enough! Dang! If you weren't in Australia I'd ask you to grab a Blurr for me!

The small print doesn't work Burn. I SEE EVERYTHING!!! I envy you with all the envy my brain can generate...until it explodes. I want Blurr so slagging bad (along with Dirge).

What kills me, is that I saw Blurr, picked him up, showed him to my hubby and said, "This is what I want for my birthday." Then I set him back down. A week later, my hubby tells me, "I tried to find Lur, but he's not there anymore." That day will haunt me the rest of my days...

Dirge I've seen, but haven't picked him up - ulp! When will I learn my lesson?

No, I don't really collect the toys. Right....

by **OptiMagnus** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:38 pm

SlyTF1 wrote:
OptiMagnus10 wrote:Yay! I have found a second person person like me. The movieverse really sealed the deal in me getting back into Transformers. I thoroughly enjoyed both and like you I can't watch them enough. If it hadn't been for Michael Bay and his whole crew, I'd be collecting something else...like Star Wars or something. I never really realized how great Transformers were until the movie universe was unleashed. That's why I do not understand how it can be "destructive" to the brand, because it's bringing the old fans back and attacting new ones. I myself have just started actually "collecting", and I expect at least 10 new Transformers for Christmas, most from ROTF. Most of my figures are from the movieverse, also. I currently own around ten times less Transformers than you do, to my knowledge (I know, I know I shouldn't be here "'cause I don't have enough to be fan"). I'm glad to hear that the movieverse is having the same effect on others as it does to me.

Same here, but I wouldn't be collecting anything. I'd just be sleep all day with nothing to do. There are only 2 things I care about in my life.

1. Video games
and
2. Transformers.

If it wasn't for the movies, there would be nothing for me to live for. Life would be boring as hell, but the movies got me back into TFs and gave me somthing to care about. Which is why I get pissed if someone talks bad about ROTF, because I care about it, it's the only thing I care about.

Yeah I'd probably be the same as you...just sleep and do nothing.
I'm also a big video game fan, too! That is another area where I'm bashed for the gaming system I have. (You XBOX360 guys KNOW the PS3 rocks but you just can't admit it.) I also care about the movies, and I get angry when people bash it, and I defend the movies, but it usually gets me mauled. I agree I probably post some really hazy threads on here, but I can't let someone tell me my opinions are wrong so I should shut up and go away. And I sure hope you do care about other things besides TFs and video games, such as your family and your education and career.

by **OptiMagnus** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:41 pm

Stormer wrote:
OptiMagnus10 wrote:
Stormer wrote:
Burn wrote:
OptiMagnus10 wrote:That's why I do not understand how it can be "destructive" to the brand, because it's bringing the old fans back and attacting new ones.

Because there are those fans who never left the fandom who SIMPLY DO NOT LIKE things about the movieverse and prefer some of the older stuff, and no i'm not referring just to GEEWUNNERS.
And I found Blurr yesterday. ner ner to you all!

I see that Burn! It wasn't small enough! Dang! If you weren't in Australia I'd ask you to grab a Blurr for me!

The small print doesn't work Burn. I SEE EVERYTHING!!! I envy you with all the envy my brain can generate...until it explodes. I want Blurr so slagging bad (along with Dirge).

What kills me, is that I saw Blurr, picked him up, showed him to my hubby and said, "This is what I want for my birthday." Then I set him back down. A week later, my hubby tells me, "I tried to find Lur, but he's not there anymore." That day will haunt me the rest of my days...

Dirge I've seen, but haven't picked him up - ulp! When will I learn my lesson?

No, I don't really collect the toys. Right....

Dude, I'm the same way. I see something I think I may want, I put it down, I leave, I decide I want it, I go back, and it's not there. I drive myself crazy sometimes.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:44 pm

OptiMagnus10 wrote:And I understand people simply do not like the movieverse, or Animated, or the Beast Era etc., but I simply do not understand why a person can find it "destructive to the brand" when in fact the continuity in question proves to be successful and actually makes Transformers a more popular brand. It can't kill the brand if it lifts it to new heights, can it?

I think you'll find they're talking from a personal perspective, ie, it's killing it for them.

Animated did that for me. I hate the aesthetic, plain and simple. Do not like it. Did not like the toys either because of it. Now it's being used in TF:Prime.

Yes, I prefer my bricks dammit.

News Credits: 37 · by **SlyTF1** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:47 pm

OptiMagnus10 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
OptiMagnus10 wrote:Yay! I have found a second person person like me. The movieverse really sealed the deal in me getting back into Transformers. I thoroughly enjoyed both and like you I can't watch them enough. If it hadn't been for Michael Bay and his whole crew, I'd be collecting something else...like Star Wars or something. I never really realized how great Transformers were until the movie universe was unleashed. That's why I do not understand how it can be "destructive" to the brand, because it's bringing the old fans back and attacting new ones. I myself have just started actually "collecting", and I expect at least 10 new Transformers for Christmas, most from ROTF. Most of my figures are from the movieverse, also. I currently own around ten times less Transformers than you do, to my knowledge (I know, I know I shouldn't be here "'cause I don't have enough to be fan"). I'm glad to hear that the movieverse is having the same effect on others as it does to me.

Same here, but I wouldn't be collecting anything. I'd just be sleep all day with nothing to do. There are only 2 things I care about in my life.

1. Video games
and
2. Transformers.

If it wasn't for the movies, there would be nothing for me to live for. Life would be boring as hell, but the movies got me back into TFs and gave me somthing to care about. Which is why I get pissed if someone talks bad about ROTF, because I care about it, it's the only thing I care about.

Yeah I'd probably be the same as you...just sleep and do nothing.
I'm also a big video game fan, too! That is another area where I'm bashed for the gaming system I have. (You XBOX360 guys KNOW the PS3 rocks but you just can't admit it.) I also care about the movies, and I get angry when people bash it, and I defend the movies, but it usually gets me mauled. I agree I probably post some really hazy threads on here, but I can't let someone tell me my opinions are wrong so I should shut up and go away. And I sure hope you do care about other things besides TFs and video games, such as your family and your education and career.

PS3 FTW, 360 is good too, but the PS3 is just better, which is a fact. It depends on what you mean by "me caring about my family" I care bout them, but if somthing bad happens, I can't stop it...unless in that situation I have the power to, I will stop it, but if not, I just have to learn to move on. My education, I'm pretty sure I'm educated enough to press a button on a camcorder, which falls into place of the career thing. I came up with a plausable theory for a living organism to move at light speed without tearing it apart from the atomic level, I figured out that Einstein is actually wrong (With a little help from ROTF of course.) So, yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm educated enough to press a button and blow crap up.

by **OptiMagnus** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:50 pm

Burn wrote:
OptiMagnus10 wrote:And I understand people simply do not like the movieverse, or Animated, or the Beast Era etc., but I simply do not understand why a person can find it "destructive to the brand" when in fact the continuity in question proves to be successful and actually makes Transformers a more popular brand. It can't kill the brand if it lifts it to new heights, can it?

I think you'll find they're talking from a personal perspective, ie, it's killing it for them.

Animated did that for me. I hate the aesthetic, plain and simple. Do not like it. Did not like the toys either because of it. Now it's being used in TF:Prime.

Yes, I prefer my bricks dammit.

Ahh good point there.
With Animated, I'm weird. Didn't like the show, but absolutely love the toys.
Funny last line, there. :lol:

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:00 pm

You know, when you're replying to multiple people you can just scroll down and hit the quote button on the next person you want to reply to instead of a new post each time.

And I have no shame in admitting I love my bricks. The movie figures are bloody over complicated at times, oh sure they might look good, but i'm getting old, I don't have half an hour to spare to transform one bloody transformer. G1 Prime in 10 seconds? That's what I like.

by **OptiMagnus** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:04 pm

SlyTF1 wrote:
OptiMagnus10 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
OptiMagnus10 wrote:Yay! I have found a second person person like me. The movieverse really sealed the deal in me getting back into Transformers. I thoroughly enjoyed both and like you I can't watch them enough. If it hadn't been for Michael Bay and his whole crew, I'd be collecting something else...like Star Wars or something. I never really realized how great Transformers were until the movie universe was unleashed. That's why I do not understand how it can be "destructive" to the brand, because it's bringing the old fans back and attacting new ones. I myself have just started actually "collecting", and I expect at least 10 new Transformers for Christmas, most from ROTF. Most of my figures are from the movieverse, also. I currently own around ten times less Transformers than you do, to my knowledge (I know, I know I shouldn't be here "'cause I don't have enough to be fan"). I'm glad to hear that the movieverse is having the same effect on others as it does to me.

Same here, but I wouldn't be collecting anything. I'd just be sleep all day with nothing to do. There are only 2 things I care about in my life.

1. Video games
and
2. Transformers.

If it wasn't for the movies, there would be nothing for me to live for. Life would be boring as hell, but the movies got me back into TFs and gave me somthing to care about. Which is why I get pissed if someone talks bad about ROTF, because I care about it, it's the only thing I care about.

Yeah I'd probably be the same as you...just sleep and do nothing.
I'm also a big video game fan, too! That is another area where I'm bashed for the gaming system I have. (You XBOX360 guys KNOW the PS3 rocks but you just can't admit it.) I also care about the movies, and I get angry when people bash it, and I defend the movies, but it usually gets me mauled. I agree I probably post some really hazy threads on here, but I can't let someone tell me my opinions are wrong so I should shut up and go away. And I sure hope you do care about other things besides TFs and video games, such as your family and your education and career.

PS3 FTW, 360 is good too, but the PS3 is just better, which is a fact. It depends on what you mean by "me caring about my family" I care bout them, but if somthing bad happens, I can't stop it...unless in that situation I have the power to, I will stop it, but if not, I just have to learn to move on. My education, I'm pretty sure I'm educated enough to press a button on a camcorder, which falls into place of the career thing. I came up with a plausable theory for a living organism to move at light speed without tearing it apart from the atomic level, I figured out that Einstein is actually wrong (With a little help from ROTF of course.) So, yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm educated enough to press a button and blow crap up.

Ah...a fellow PS3 fan finally. And I am glad you are educated enough to know life skills and far beyond. We need more people like that, because they are a dying breed. Blowing crap up is also a great skill to have for the future

(not really, but you know what I mean). That is why I enjoy Michael Bay's work.

by **OptiMagnus** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:13 pm

Burn wrote:You know, when you're replying to multiple people you can just scroll down and hit the quote button on the next person you want to reply to instead of a new post each time.

And I have no shame in admitting I love my bricks. The movie figures are bloody over complicated at times, oh sure they might look good, but i'm getting old, I don't have half an hour to spare to transform one bloody transformer. G1 Prime in 10 seconds? That's what I like.

Oh...cool! I did not know that. Thanks for telling me.

I do actually understand what you mean about the complexity. They do take a long time to transform, especially the newest molds. Sometimes I get frustrated with Battle Blades Optimus Prime and movie 1 Concept Camaro Bumblebee and Cliffjumper. Unfortunately, I have no GeeWuns to Transform in a jiffy. I REALLY want G1 Prime and Ultra Magnus though.

News Credits: 37 · by **SlyTF1** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:13 pm

OptiMagnus10 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
OptiMagnus10 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
OptiMagnus10 wrote:Yay! I have found a second person person like me. The movieverse really sealed the deal in me getting back into Transformers. I thoroughly enjoyed both and like you I can't watch them enough. If it hadn't been for Michael Bay and his whole crew, I'd be collecting something else...like Star Wars or something. I never really realized how great Transformers were until the movie universe was unleashed. That's why I do not understand how it can be "destructive" to the brand, because it's bringing the old fans back and attacting new ones. I myself have just started actually "collecting", and I expect at least 10 new Transformers for Christmas, most from ROTF. Most of my figures are from the movieverse, also. I currently own around ten times less Transformers than you do, to my knowledge (I know, I know I shouldn't be here "'cause I don't have enough to be fan"). I'm glad to hear that the movieverse is having the same effect on others as it does to me.

Same here, but I wouldn't be collecting anything. I'd just be sleep all day with nothing to do. There are only 2 things I care about in my life.

1. Video games
and
2. Transformers.

If it wasn't for the movies, there would be nothing for me to live for. Life would be boring as hell, but the movies got me back into TFs and gave me somthing to care about. Which is why I get pissed if someone talks bad about ROTF, because I care about it, it's the only thing I care about.

Yeah I'd probably be the same as you...just sleep and do nothing.
I'm also a big video game fan, too! That is another area where I'm bashed for the gaming system I have. (You XBOX360 guys KNOW the PS3 rocks but you just can't admit it.) I also care about the movies, and I get angry when people bash it, and I defend the movies, but it usually gets me mauled. I agree I probably post some really hazy threads on here, but I can't let someone tell me my opinions are wrong so I should shut up and go away. And I sure hope you do care about other things besides TFs and video games, such as your family and your education and career.

PS3 FTW, 360 is good too, but the PS3 is just better, which is a fact. It depends on what you mean by "me caring about my family" I care bout them, but if somthing bad happens, I can't stop it...unless in that situation I have the power to, I will stop it, but if not, I just have to learn to move on. My education, I'm pretty sure I'm educated enough to press a button on a camcorder, which falls into place of the career thing. I came up with a plausable theory for a living organism to move at light speed without tearing it apart from the atomic level, I figured out that Einstein is actually wrong (With a little help from ROTF of course.) So, yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm educated enough to press a button and blow crap up.

Ah...a fellow PS3 fan finally. And I am glad you are educated enough to know life skills and far beyond. We need more people like that, because they are a dying breed. Blowing crap up is also a great skill to have for the future (not really, but you know what I mean). That is why I enjoy Michael Bay's work.

Exactly, I want to be the next Michael Bay/George Lucas/some guy who makes really complicated movies. I want them to be super explosive heavy, I mean record breaking! More than ROTF's explosions! But also venture out into space and toehr alien cultures, but still make it mind blowing and complicated to a point where you really need to pay attention to get the super complicated story.

by **OptiMagnus** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:30 pm

OptiMagnus10 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:Exactly, I want to be the next Michael Bay/George Lucas/some guy who makes really complicated movies. I want them to be super explosive heavy, I mean record breaking! More than ROTF's explosions! But also venture out into space and toehr alien cultures, but still make it mind blowing and complicated to a point where you really need to pay attention to get the super complicated story.

Well, I do hope you reach your goals. I will go see your movies when you get there, because it sounds like a great idea. LucasFilm is gonna be screwed in the future anyway, since they can't come up with anything outside of Star Wars and Indiana Jones, and I don't see any big money Star Wars film happening from them. I aspired to be the next great NASCAR legend, but that will never happen. I'm now hoping to be the next great CEO of General Motors or maybe even PepsiCo or Hasbro. I hope that happens, but who knows.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:36 pm

Most people tend to go to the movies to be entertained and not have to spend too much time thinking ...

by **OptiMagnus** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:42 pm

Burn wrote:Most people tend to go to the movies to be entertained and not have to spend too much time thinking ...

Yeah good point.

Then again most people are too lazy to think. =P~

News Credits: 37 · by **SlyTF1** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:51 pm

Burn wrote:Most people tend to go to the movies to be entertained and not have to spend too much time thinking ...

True, but most people like a complicated movie every once in a while, including me. The stuff I do, won't be all the time, but one of the first ones I (plan on doing) do will.

News Credits: 1 · by **Berserker Prime** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:03 pm

Stormer wrote:
Darth Rodimus wrote:The Movieverse is what got me back into Transformers.

Me too! I saw the first movie when it came out on DVD, but it didn't give me Tranformer-itis until ROTF came out. Then I was hooked all over again - I had the bug pretty bad in my teens. I've got a few toys since then (AGGGGH! Still can't find Blurr!) but I've purchased most of the TPB's and I keep hoping Ongoing will get better.

Are you from Denver, or just like the Broncos - they definitely need a new head coach!

Na, I'm form Sothern Cali. Huge Broncos fan tho, been following since the days of Elway. Everyone tells me to go for the Chargers but I hate Rivers waaaaaay to much. :twisted:

News Credits: 1 · by **Berserker Prime** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:06 pm

OptiMagnus10 wrote:
Darth Rodimus wrote:The Movieverse is what got me back into Transformers. I watched ROTF 4 times in the theaters(that is a lot for me) and got it on BD with Transforming case on day one. Started to get the figs a little after and havnt stoped since. I've only been collecting for a couple years but I have over 200, mostly movie figs but I got a whole bunch of classics on ebay and BBTS. I owe my collection to the movieverse.

Yay! I have found a second person person like me. The movieverse really sealed the deal in me getting back into Transformers. I thoroughly enjoyed both and like you I can't watch them enough. If it hadn't been for Michael Bay and his whole crew, I'd be collecting something else...like Star Wars or something. I never really realized how great Transformers were until the movie universe was unleashed. That's why I do not understand how it can be "destructive" to the brand, because it's bringing the old fans back and attacting new ones. I myself have just started actually "collecting", and I expect at least 10 new Transformers for Christmas, most from ROTF. Most of my figures are from the movieverse, also. I currently own around ten times less Transformers than you do, to my knowledge (I know, I know I shouldn't be here "'cause I don't have enough to be fan"). I'm glad to hear that the movieverse is having the same effect on others as it does to me.

No matter how many you got, its if you love these guys what makes you a fan.

by **OptiMagnus** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:17 pm

Darth Rodimus wrote:
OptiMagnus10 wrote:
Darth Rodimus wrote:The Movieverse is what got me back into Transformers. I watched ROTF 4 times in the theaters(that is a lot for me) and got it on BD with Transforming case on day one. Started to get the figs a little after and havnt stoped since. I've only been collecting for a couple years but I have over 200, mostly movie figs but I got a whole bunch of classics on ebay and BBTS. I owe my collection to the movieverse.

Yay! I have found a second person person like me. The movieverse really sealed the deal in me getting back into Transformers. I thoroughly enjoyed both and like you I can't watch them enough. If it hadn't been for Michael Bay and his whole crew, I'd be collecting something else...like Star Wars or something. I never really realized how great Transformers were until the movie universe was unleashed. That's why I do not understand how it can be "destructive" to the brand, because it's bringing the old fans back and attacting new ones. I myself have just started actually "collecting", and I expect at least 10 new Transformers for Christmas, most from ROTF. Most of my figures are from the movieverse, also. I currently own around ten times less Transformers than you do, to my knowledge (I know, I know I shouldn't be here "'cause I don't have enough to be fan"). I'm glad to hear that the movieverse is having the same effect on others as it does to me.

No matter how many you got, its if you love these guys what makes you a fan.

Good point, there.

by **Joshua Vallse** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:11 pm

Thread is still going strong....Christmas here it comes lol

by **OptiMagnus** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:13 pm

Joshua Vallse wrote:Thread is still going strong....Christmas here it comes lol

I don't think it will last that long. It's already going off topic and dying. The flames have been put out.

by **Joshua Vallse** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:29 pm

OptiMagnus10 wrote:
Joshua Vallse wrote:Thread is still going strong....Christmas here it comes lol

I don't think it will last that long. It's already going off topic and dying. The flames have been put out.

Oh ye of little faith, give it time. When it comes to Movie-verse vs Traditional-verse, there are no shortage of flames. In fact another whole new thread already started about yet another G1/Movie conflict....I think it should be merged with this said thread. A Thread...combiner if you will lol

by **OptiMagnus** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:38 pm

Joshua Vallse wrote:
OptiMagnus10 wrote:
Joshua Vallse wrote:Thread is still going strong....Christmas here it comes lol

I don't think it will last that long. It's already going off topic and dying. The flames have been put out.

Oh ye of little faith, give it time. When it comes to Movie-verse vs Traditional-verse, there are no shortage of flames. In fact another whole new thread already started about yet another G1/Movie conflict....I think it should be merged with this said thread. A Thread...combiner if you will lol

I was just talking about this thread's flames, not the whole conflict.
I almost can't wait to just get the moveverse over with so there's no chance of conflict coming up again.
I bet in 20 years we'll all look back on the movies and all the arguments and laugh.