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Prime Riblet wrote:GetterDragun wrote:Liftgate wrote:I can't believe someone is actually going to pay $65,000+ for this. For that kinda money you could have pay to have a 1000hp+ custom car built from the ground up, any car, any motor, any way you want it. Stupidity is amazing.
How is $65,000 for this stupid? This year S302 Saleen Mustang was like $80,000 new. Seems like a deal since A.) Special edition Mustangs do end up being collectables and B.) Movie props also end up being collectables and are thus worth more.
And saying you can build any car into a 1000hp+ custom car from the ground up for $65,000 is extremely innacurate.
This car started life as a Supercharged S281, later known as the S281 Extreme. Base price before any upgrades would be around $45-47G. It should be rated at around 500 bhp (SAE net).
I do agree though, that it is pretty well impossible to custom build a 1000bhp from the ground up for $65,000. That is simply not going to happen.
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Ravage XK wrote:The description says its street legal, is that right? I remember some poor guy converted his own car to look like Barricade for his son and he was having trouble with the law, how can this be any different?
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Liftgate wrote:Prime Riblet wrote: "This car started life as a Supercharged S281, later known as the S281 Extreme. Base price before any upgrades would be around $45-47G. It should be rated at around 500 bhp (SAE net).
I do agree though, that it is pretty well impossible to custom build a 1000bhp from the ground up for $65,000. That is simply not going to happen."
Visit any dragstrip on any weekend and you'll find several 1000hp cars that were build for far LESS then 65 grand. And yep, from the ground up. Also keep in mind that the supercharger is missing from this car if you read the details, which means it's pretty much a stock mustang, so about what you're getting is a paint job, a light bar and some stickers for your money.
Whenever you're buying a *new* car with "performance" packages, you're always paying way more than what you're actually getting performance-wise. Example, your $80,000, 500hp mustang vs my old truck with it's $2500, 400hp+ engine. Ask anyone who races and they'll tell you the same thing.
Lamborghinis, Vipers, Farraris, Saleen, all these "exotic sport cars" are aimed at rich people who have tons of money to throw away and just wanna look cool to their other rich friends, or to help them pick up their girl-of-the-week. Remember that scene in Fast & Furious were Vin Diesel talks smack to the guy in the Lamborghini (or whatever it was)next to him at the stoplight? Yeah, that's about as much respect as you'll get from most car crowds if you show up in one of these.
(dunno what happened here, the quote thing didn't work right somehow)
Liftgate wrote:
Visit any dragstrip on any weekend and you'll find several 1000hp cars that were build for far LESS then 65 grand. And yep, from the ground up. )
Liftgate wrote:Also keep in mind that the supercharger is missing from this car if you read the details, which means it's pretty much a stock mustang, so about what you're getting is a paint job, a light bar and some stickers for your money.
Liftgate wrote:
Lamborghinis, Vipers, Farraris, Saleen, all these "exotic sport cars" are aimed at rich people who have tons of money to throw away and just wanna look cool to their other rich friends, or to help them pick up their girl-of-the-week. Remember that scene in Fast & Furious were Vin Diesel talks smack to the guy in the Lamborghini (or whatever it was)next to him at the stoplight? Yeah, that's about as much respect as you'll get from most car crowds if you show up in one of these.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
Liftgate wrote:I was pretty sure I'd catch some flak for my remarks, I'm not surprised. Fast & furious is a crappy movie that does little to show what owning a fast car is really like, but everyone has watched the movie and that one scene does illustrate what I was saying pretty well, and there's alot of other guys besides myself who feel the same way about these type of cars.
It's true, there are afew dudes out there who buy these kind of cars and race/drive it the way it should be, but I think the majority of these wind up in the garages of people who don't, where they sit gathering dust until they're bored with it and trade it in for a newer model or whatever. But I guess that's how that "collector car" junk goes.
5150 Cruiser, I don't think I'm off on the respect thing too far. When you pull up in one of these cars, what do you think is the first thing through other's minds? It's 'Wow, that guy has alot of money!' Now what are they thinking when you drive up in a custom car you put together yourself? 'Wow, that's awesome!' Sorry man, but I'll take the latter any day. There's alot more respect and pride in something that's one off, that you put your ideas, your time, work and money into, something that's your own car. Not something you have simply because your wallet was fat enough.
I do respect all models, but as far as owners, if he really knew his stuff he'd know he didn't need to drop that much cash to get that level of performance. For the $80,000, heck for $65,000 or whatever it's bid up to now, I could build two of my dream cars, both of which would leave a Saleen in the dust. Now I wonder who would get the respect there? If you're the type with money to burn, or don't know a torque wrench from your big toe, then by all means, a car like this is for you.
I like this car because it looks mean, the paint job and styling are all great, but as far as performance, its original cost and what you're getting now? Gimmie a break. I'm not saying it's junk, I'm just saying it's not worth the money.
On a different note: Light Bars. Probably varies state to state, but I bet if you put a faux one on there you'd be good to go. Or maybe something without blue&red showing?
redsaleen wrote:
Here is a pic after saleen got it back and made it street legal, notice the bumper number matches, one of the other car numbers was like 934.
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Liftgate wrote:5150 Cruiser, I don't think I'm off on the respect thing too far. When you pull up in one of these cars, what do you think is the first thing through other's minds? It's 'Wow, that guy has alot of money!' Now what are they thinking when you drive up in a custom car you put together yourself? 'Wow, that's awesome!' Sorry man, but I'll take the latter any day. There's alot more respect and pride in something that's one off, that you put your ideas, your time, work and money into, something that's your own car. Not something you have simply because your wallet was fat enough.
redsaleen wrote:I will jump in this conv as the owner of a saleen. A brand new saleen in 05 would be about 50,000 and that is a non supercharged car, i could pretty much say the car used for barricade was not even supercharged since there would be no reason for it.
saying that , saleen are well respected and bought as collectibles. a 04 mystic cobra saleen sells for about 65,000 still used, and there was 3 made. Since this is a genuine movie car, it is prob worth closer to 100,000 than 65,000. I would not be surprised to see this care sell for over 100k.
Why he calls this street legal i do not know , since you cant drive it as in on any street legally. Im also curious to how he got this car, cause I was almost positive saleen took back all 3 cars after the first move, cause they even had the at saleen shows, but where it said police that put the work saleen.
Liftgate wrote: I was pretty sure I'd catch some flak for my remarks, I'm not surprised. Fast & furious is a crappy movie that does little to show what owning a fast car is really like, but everyone has watched the movie and that one scene does illustrate what I was saying pretty well, and there's alot of other guys besides myself who feel the same way about these type of cars.
Liftgate wrote: 5150 Cruiser, I don't think I'm off on the respect thing too far. When you pull up in one of these cars, what do you think is the first thing through other's minds? It's 'Wow, that guy has alot of money!' Now what are they thinking when you drive up in a custom car you put together yourself? 'Wow, that's awesome!' Sorry man, but I'll take the latter any day. There's alot more respect and pride in something that's one off, that you put your ideas, your time, work and money into, something that's your own car. Not something you have simply because your wallet was fat enough.
Liftgate wrote:I do respect all models, but as far as owners, if he really knew his stuff he'd know he didn't need to drop that much cash to get that level of performance. For the $80,000, heck for $65,000 or whatever it's bid up to now, I could build two of my dream cars, both of which would leave a Saleen in the dust. Now I wonder who would get the respect there? If you're the type with money to burn, or don't know a torque wrench from your big toe, then by all means, a car like this is for you.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
Sorrow Six Star wrote:Carnivius_Prime wrote:I'd love it but no way I could afford it... also I can't drive
oh no? you should learn. driving can be so wonderful!
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