The Energon Pub

[Dagon]

Who's Marky Mark?

Some guy who used to be a hip hop "artist" 20 years ago. I have never seen him in a movie though. Matter of fact, I haven't seen that guy in about 20 years. Disappeared sometime around the time MARK WAHLBERG THE ACTOR appeared on the scene. I wish people would stop confusing the 2...

Because it totally makes sense that people who are fans of characters that can be both a robot and a car would be totally unable to equate an actor and his earlier career/iteration as being the same person. It's like we never reach that tryhard quotient on Seibertron these days, right?

[ZeroWolf]

Who's Marky Mark?

Some guy who used to be a hip hop "artist" 20 years ago. I have never seen him in a movie though. Matter of fact, I haven't seen that guy in about 20 years. Disappeared sometime around the time MARK WAHLBERG THE ACTOR appeared on the scene. I wish people would stop confusing the 2...

Because it totally makes sense that people who are fans of characters that can be both a robot and a car would be totally unable to equate an actor and his earlier career/iteration as being the same person. It's like we never reach that tryhard quotient on Seibertron these days, right?

After reading through, I think the point Burn was making was that it's not relevant anymore to call Mark Walhberg Marky Mark. Unless the actor himself endorses it.

[VirusCarnage]

I went for my 2nd viewing of AoE today. A few things I wanted to comment on.

1.) Shane - I really don't like him the more I watch of him (more so in the first half of the movie) the more I dislike him.

2.) Optimus' body change with the great sword - It seems like his shoulders were modified a bit as well as his forearms, it could be he got the jetpack at that point.

There's probably a few other things I'm forgetting, oh well.

Anybody else getting a wee bit tired of all the swords and melee weapons? Just me?

I'm not I love sword and melee weapons, kinda reminds me of a less gruesome version of Game of Thrones.

[SlyTF1]

Just saw AOE for the third time. Now, I'm convinced that anyone having a hard time following the story is just saying that because they don't want to admit that a TF movie actually had an interesting story without a bunch of annoying humor.

[Dagon]

Just saw AOE for the third time. Now, I'm convinced that anyone having a hard time following the story is just saying that because they don't want to admit that a TF movie actually had an interesting story without a bunch of annoying humor.

Ah yes, the vast anti-Transformers conspiracy.
I'm pretty sure this gets brought up with each new movie. Too bad it never gets any less stupid.

Who's Marky Mark?

Some guy who used to be a hip hop "artist" 20 years ago. I have never seen him in a movie though. Matter of fact, I haven't seen that guy in about 20 years. Disappeared sometime around the time MARK WAHLBERG THE ACTOR appeared on the scene. I wish people would stop confusing the 2...

Because it totally makes sense that people who are fans of characters that can be both a robot and a car would be totally unable to equate an actor and his earlier career/iteration as being the same person. It's like we never reach that tryhard quotient on Seibertron these days, right?

After reading through, I think the point Burn was making was that it's not relevant anymore to call Mark Walhberg Marky Mark. Unless the actor himself endorses it.

I understand that. It's the same principle as when your parents call you by your childhood nickname or a younger-sounding version of your name, like Jimmy instead of James, and you have no idea who they're referring to. Or like how we never refer to things from the past, because they don't matter, or how no one ever remembers things that people, especially famous people who garner a lot of media attention, do before the thing they are currently doing. They've just always been what they currently are.
Wait, that's dumb also.
I think using his past as some kind of slight that he was in this or any movie and ignoring his past because now he does something else are equally dumb.

[SlyTF1]

Just saw AOE for the third time. Now, I'm convinced that anyone having a hard time following the story is just saying that because they don't want to admit that a TF movie actually had an interesting story without a bunch of annoying humor.

Ah yes, the vast anti-Transformers conspiracy.
I'm pretty sure this gets brought up with each new movie. Too bad it never gets any less stupid.

I thought ROTF and DOTM had good enough plots, but they kind of felt like they were slapped together. With AOE, it seems like they put a bit more thought into it, and teasing what the sequels might bring.

[VirusCarnage]

Just saw AOE for the third time. Now, I'm convinced that anyone having a hard time following the story is just saying that because they don't want to admit that a TF movie actually had an interesting story without a bunch of annoying humor.

It definitely seems that way, I find this to be the easiest plot to follow of the movies.

[SKYWARPED_128]

I never thought it would happen, but AoE delivered on everything I'd hoped for. No more soldier worship, no toilet/dorky/slapstick humor, and the humans acted like believable, sane people. Stanley Tucci's comic relief character strikes a perfect balance between eccentric and funny while still being sane.

Decent acting all around, although I could have done without the Shane character. He did serve as a plot device in causing tension between Cade and Tessa, but was an otherwise bland character.

And for the first time in a long time, I actually gave a damn about the characters in a TF movie instead of counting down the minutes between fight scenes. I found myself rooting for Optimus, and even empathizing with him over the deaths of his friends. I actually winced when they shot up Ratchet--it was even more riveting to me than Ironhide's death. RIP, Doc.

I'm very impressed by the plot as well. I'm glad they decided to stop making episodic TF movies, and concentrate on a more intricate 3-part story that reveals the origins of Cybertronians.

Of course, AoE is not without its flaws (Dinobots need more screen time, and the knights thing could have been elaborated on a little more), but I'll gladly overlook them in light of the massive progress they made compared to the earlier movies.

Good job, Bay and Kruger. Good job.

[Sub-Prime]

I don't know if you guys have notice but the next trilogy will most definitely based off Transformers The Movie. So I would expect Ultra Magnus and Rodimus(I don't like Rodimus). Cyclonus and Scourge is coming along with the Quintesson and Unicron!

[Noideaforaname]

It definitely seems that way, I find this to be the easiest plot to follow of the movies.

The core plot itself is easy to follow, but there are so many open-ended and seemingly contradictory threads in it that trying to get the whole picture can be confusing. i.e. it starts of with actual dinosaurs getting wiped out, but then that bit is dropped completely without any purpose or resolution, and then the Dino-Bots are introduced having nothing to do with the dinosaurs we saw earlier and instead are tied up with these "Knights" that aren't explained or anything. And it's a 3-hour movie, I shouldn't have to wait for a sequel or a comic or some fan's pet theory to make sense of it all.

[SlyTF1]

It definitely seems that way, I find this to be the easiest plot to follow of the movies.

The core plot itself is easy to follow, but there are so many open-ended and seemingly contradictory threads in it that trying to get the whole picture can be confusing. i.e. it starts of with actual dinosaurs getting wiped out, but then that bit is dropped completely without any purpose or resolution, and then the Dino-Bots are introduced having nothing to do with the dinosaurs we saw earlier and instead are tied up with these "Knights" that aren't explained or anything. And it's a 3-hour movie, I shouldn't have to wait for a sequel or a comic or some fan's pet theory to make sense of it all.

The dinosaur thing was to show that the Creators were the ones who caused the extinction of the Dinosaurs. I'll be honest, though, the first time I saw the movie, I thought the Dinobots were those dinosaurs from the beginning.

[Sub-Prime]

1. I think the reason there was no resolution to the beginning scene was that they didn't want us to know too much about the Quintessons/Creators just yet.It keeps us guessing. It would be nice if that one scene was extended.

2. The explanation of the Knights would come at a bad time as the battle in China was going on at the time and Optimus was trying to get the Dinobots there before Hound and Bee would become overwhelmed against 51 cons. Also Optimus might have known little about them hence the reason he said "the legend exist".

I also like how Optimus spoke in his Cybertronian language.

[Rodimus Prime]

I don't know if someone already brought this up but when all hell broke loose at the farm you see a rally car with no driver pull up. Walberg and his daughter get in and you see Shane in the driver seat. This is either a film set mistake or a huge continuity error.

He was in there. The outline of his face can be seen in the window of the car.

[Skywarp64]

He was a joke in G1. What's changed?

I'll tell you what's changed.

In G1, no matter how often the Decepticons were defeated, it was (almost) always clear that Megatron was in command. Not The Fallen, not Sentinel, Megatron.

But in the movies, he's always being upstaged, by The Fallen, then Sentinel, then Lockdown.

Even in the first one, wherein he was the main big baddie, he didn't really do anything until towards the end. He wasn't being upstaged, but he was still being screwed over.

But G1 Megs was (almost) always clearly in command, and, when he wasn't, he managed to get it back before more than 2 or 3 episodes passed. I want to see more of that in Bay's films. I want to see Galvatron as not just the most credible threat but the ONLY credible threat, so incredibly powerful that no other force of evil could possibly be worse.

Except perhaps Unicron, that would be cool with me.

[Burn]

Don't know why people need to compare the movies to G1. Why not compare them to Animated? Or Prime? Or the A/E/C trilogy? Why not RiD? (Obviously there's no point in comparing it to BW/BM as they're radically different)

[Rodimus Prime]

Don't know why people need to compare the movies to G1. Why not compare them to Animated? Or Prime? Or the A/E/C trilogy? Why not RiD? (Obviously there's no point in comparing it to BW/BM as they're radically different)

Because everything gets compared to G1. The fact that the main character is voiced by his G1 voice isn't helping any.

[Burn]

So we should compare Rescue Bots to G1 too then?

[ZeroWolf]

Don't know why people need to compare the movies to G1. Why not compare them to Animated? Or Prime? Or the A/E/C trilogy? Why not RiD? (Obviously there's no point in comparing it to BW/BM as they're radically different)

Because everything gets compared to G1. The fact that the main character is voiced by his G1 voice isn't helping any.

It also doesn't help that a lot of people remember G1 a lil bit differently then how it actually was. They seem to be of the opinion that it was the best toon ever but just cause you were first doesn't mean you're the best, characters can still be refined.

The other day I watched the first season of G1, and its definitely a product of its time. Kids today wouldn't stand for it.

@Skywarp

I think it would take a different thread to explain the differences between G1 and movieverse, and to why Megatron was 'overshadowed as you put it.

[Uncontrolable_myosin]

Did anyone else see the TFP Vehicon Caddy when Cade and Bee first went to KSI? Cuz... I was all "Steve!!!" when i saw that

[Cyber Bishop]

I must be one of those rare individuals that does not compare the movieverse to the original G1 cartoon. There are so many continuities,
US releases used as an example.

G1 Cartoon
Beast Wars (continuation of g1 toon)
Beast Machines (continuation of g1 toon)
G1 Marvel Comics
RID
Energon
Armada
TF Prime
Rescue Bots
Movieverse

And whatever else is out there, each is in it's own universe.

[Rodimus Prime]

So we should compare Rescue Bots to G1 too then?

No, we shouldn't. And we shouldn't compare any other series either, unless it's a direct continuity of or reference to, or even inspiration of G1. But I agree, comparisons between Bayverse and G1 shouldn' be in this thread. This is just about AoE.

And yeah, I noticed the "Vehicon" Cadillac. Not sure if it was intentional or not.

[superchook6909]

In the movie, Lockdown mentions that Optimus Prime was not "Born", but he was "Made."
And that "THEY" want him back.
I can only assume THEY are the Quintessons, from the G1 series.

[chuckdawg1999]

In the movie, Lockdown mentions that Optimus Prime was not "Born", but he was "Made."
And that "THEY" want him back.
I can only assume THEY are the Quintessons, from the G1 series.

One can only hope, but they won't be floating heads that's for sure.

[Rodimus Prime]

I can only assume THEY are the Quintessons, from the G1 series.

One can only hope, but they won't be floating heads that's for sure.

One can also dread. I hope the Quints won't be in Bayverse, they're horrible characters. Or if they do a version of them, make them different than floating 5 faced heads. But then they wouldn't really be Quintessons.

[ZeroWolf]

There is another possibility, a very remote one. The creator could be the movieverse version of primacron...

*everyone runs*

Wait, it's not that crazy, his wiki entry says he claimed to have built primitive transformers. So maybe the writers/director saw this as a way to kill two birds with one stone, creators myth and bring in unicron. After all they may send Unicron to deal with the Autobots and humanity that is playing around with things it shouldn't.

I rather this didn't happen, but I can't think what the writers or Bay would do for the fifth one.