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New to the forums and sorry if discussed before.

Why did only the Bad guys benefit from the All Spark?

Frenzy gets healed just by being close to it while Bumble Bee touches it, after getting messed up by Star Scream, and doesn't.

They expose the Nokia phone and it goes ape **** with MGs and rockets.

Also when Sam runs in to the truck and the spark activates, the steering wheel eats the girls face, the 360 goes nuts, and the Mountain Dew machine attacks.

Every bot the Spark makes or helps turn Evil.

Why no Good guys?

Kcire wrote:New to the forums and sorry if discussed before.

Why did only the Bad guys benefit from the All Spark?

Frenzy gets healed just by being close to it while Bumble Bee touches it, after getting messed up by Star Scream, and doesn't.

They expose the Nokia phone and it goes ape **** with MGs and rockets.

Also when Sam runs in to the truck and the spark activates, the steering wheel eats the girls face, the 360 goes nuts, and the Mountain Dew machine attacks.

Every bot the Spark makes or helps turn Evil.

Why no Good guys?

That was also discussed on the Wilipedia talk page.

And their robot modes appeared to have red eyes and all behaved violently.

And Bumblebee did get healed by the Allspark. He got his vocal module repaired.

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The general consensus seems to be the newly created bots are made feral, with weapons to protect themselves from predators.

As for the Allspark being evil, I made the same observation a while ago. Perhaps Frenzy knew how to work it and Bumblbee didn't. Although Frenzy did seem surprised when he got his body back.

Kcire wrote:New to the forums and sorry if discussed before.

Why did only the Bad guys benefit from the All Spark?

Frenzy gets healed just by being close to it while Bumble Bee touches it, after getting messed up by Star Scream, and doesn't.

They expose the Nokia phone and it goes ape **** with MGs and rockets.

Also when Sam runs in to the truck and the spark activates, the steering wheel eats the girls face, the 360 goes nuts, and the Mountain Dew machine attacks.

Every bot the Spark makes or helps turn Evil.

Why no Good guys?

The Allspark imbues technology with life. (period)

The lives created here on Earth come from technology...stolen from Megatron's body.

The Allspark can obviously sense Megatron's presence in the technology that just came to life, hence the violent and aggressive tendencies, and the red eyes.

Agent Simmons said that they reverse engineered technology from Megatron, such as: CPUs/processors, cars, cell phones, etc.

If you notice, the Xbox360 (processor based), Glenn's Nokia (cell phone), Cadillac Escalade (the one that grabs the woman's face, same scene as the Xbox, a car), the Mountain Dew vending machine (processor based)...all of today's current technology...culled from Megatron's imprisoned, frozen and tortured body.

That's why the Allspark made them evil.

I'm gonna go with the TF2 treatment's explanation

*SPOILERS MAYBE*

The Allspark gives it life.

The Creation Matrix gives it a soul.

Without a soul, its feral.

All Transformers are given souls by the Matrix, the decision to become Autobot or Decepticon is made afterward by the concious individual.

I quite like that explanation

Now I'm not saying that the Allspark didn't repair bumblebee's voice, BUT......

Frenzy was repaired instantly and it didn't look like he even touched the allspark, just standing below it. Bumblebee touched it, shrank it, and carried it. After the cube has been shrunken, Bumblebee still talked like the radio. It wasn't till the end of the movie that he talked normal ?????

DavidT wrote:Now I'm not saying that the Allspark didn't repair bumblebee's voice, BUT......

Frenzy was repaired instantly and it didn't look like he even touched the allspark, just standing below it. Bumblebee touched it, shrank it, and carried it. After the cube has been shrunken, Bumblebee still talked like the radio. It wasn't till the end of the movie that he talked normal ?????

Maybe he swallowed a bee? XD

Obviously the reason Optimus Prime was willing to sacrifice his spark to destroy it.

Meverix wrote:I'm gonna go with the TF2 treatment's explanation

*SPOILERS MAYBE*

The Allspark gives it life.

The Creation Matrix gives it a soul.

Without a soul, its feral.

All Transformers are given souls by the Matrix, the decision to become Autobot or Decepticon is made afterward by the concious individual.

I quite like that explanation

That doesn't work. Prime was going to put the cube in his chest to destroy it, knowing it would kill him from the power overload. Here's the problem with all of that...if he has the creation Matrix inside of him, why would he destroy himself, the Matrix, and the cube all at once.

Which is mindless and senseless. Why on Earth would he do that?

This is one of the main reasons I don't care for that "treatment".

I'm gonna go with the TF2 treatment's explanation

*SPOILERS MAYBE*

The Allspark gives it life.

The Creation Matrix gives it a soul.

Without a soul, its feral.

All Transformers are given souls by the Matrix, the decision to become Autobot or Decepticon is made afterward by the concious individual.

I quite like that explanation

The Allspark imbues technology with life. (period)

The lives created here on Earth come from technology...stolen from Megatron's body.

The Allspark can obviously sense Megatron's presence in the technology that just came to life, hence the violent and aggressive tendencies, and the red eyes.

Agent Simmons said that they reverse engineered technology from Megatron, such as: CPUs/processors, cars, cell phones, etc.

If you notice, the Xbox360 (processor based), Glenn's Nokia (cell phone), Cadillac Escalade (the one that grabs the woman's face, same scene as the Xbox, a car), the Mountain Dew vending machine (processor based)...all of today's current technology...culled from Megatron's imprisoned, frozen and tortured body.

That's why the Allspark made them evil.

it does make sense if you think about simmons did say that in the film but i for poeple know nothing about transformers universe i like the TF2 treatment explanation better.

correct if im wrong but didnt the comics, or one of the transformers series states tformers are created and the martix gives them a soul to be good or evil remember hearing about that somewhere but i dont know where or maybe it was just rumor, false information to fill in the story line somewhere.?

Deadpool. wrote:

Kcire wrote:New to the forums and sorry if discussed before.

Why did only the Bad guys benefit from the All Spark?

Frenzy gets healed just by being close to it while Bumble Bee touches it, after getting messed up by Star Scream, and doesn't.

They expose the Nokia phone and it goes ape **** with MGs and rockets.

Also when Sam runs in to the truck and the spark activates, the steering wheel eats the girls face, the 360 goes nuts, and the Mountain Dew machine attacks.

Every bot the Spark makes or helps turn Evil.

Why no Good guys?

That was also discussed on the Wilipedia talk page.

And their robot modes appeared to have red eyes and all behaved violently.

And Bumblebee did get healed by the Allspark. He got his vocal module repaired.

wow who cares

dragons wrote:

I'm gonna go with the TF2 treatment's explanation

*SPOILERS MAYBE*

The Allspark gives it life.

The Creation Matrix gives it a soul.

Without a soul, its feral.

All Transformers are given souls by the Matrix, the decision to become Autobot or Decepticon is made afterward by the concious individual.

I quite like that explanation

The Allspark imbues technology with life. (period)

The lives created here on Earth come from technology...stolen from Megatron's body.

The Allspark can obviously sense Megatron's presence in the technology that just came to life, hence the violent and aggressive tendencies, and the red eyes.

Agent Simmons said that they reverse engineered technology from Megatron, such as: CPUs/processors, cars, cell phones, etc.

If you notice, the Xbox360 (processor based), Glenn's Nokia (cell phone), Cadillac Escalade (the one that grabs the woman's face, same scene as the Xbox, a car), the Mountain Dew vending machine (processor based)...all of today's current technology...culled from Megatron's imprisoned, frozen and tortured body.

That's why the Allspark made them evil.

it does make sense if you think about simmons did say that in the film but i for poeple know nothing about transformers universe i like the TF2 treatment explanation better.

correct if im wrong but didnt the comics, or one of the transformers series states tformers are created and the martix gives them a soul to be good or evil remember hearing about that somewhere but i dont know where or maybe it was just rumor, false information to fill in the story line somewhere.?

Using the Matrix is an easy cop out. It's been used way too many times and cancels out key parts of the original film (I hate it when sequels do that, unless it's groundbreaking like "No, I am your father" type stuff) What did these writers go to school for? What are we paying them for? I mean if they can use everything as a crutch, well heck...they might as well do a live action, scene for scene remake of an episode.

And about your question, if I remember correctly...the five part miniseries "Five Faces Of Darkness" (season premiere of the original series, after the movie had come out) Rodimus was told that they were consumer goods and military hardware and that the Matrix gave them life, so they fought back and against each other in time.

But that had nothing to do with an Allspark type of device, they were literally just built in a factory and the Matrix gave them life afterwards. Where as the Allspark actually created them with life already intact like you and me. (at least it did with Prime and crew)

Hmm. The idea of everything being reverse-engineered from Megatron and therefore evil doesn't fly with me. I think that they studied Megatron and built mechanical objects like him - but just because it was made from studying him, I don't think they used actual samples of him, or used his spark.

The new TFs just being frightened of their environment and naturally instinctive seems more likely.

TheDawg wrote:Hmm. The idea of everything being reverse-engineered from Megatron and therefore evil doesn't fly with me. I think that they studied Megatron and built mechanical objects like him - but just because it was made from studying him, I don't think they used actual samples of him, or used his spark.

The new TFs just being frightened of their environment and naturally instinctive seems more likely.

That doesn't wash either.

All of the created robots have red eyes (Decepticon), and they instantly went on murderous rampages.

It's one thing to attack in fear, but there was no fear here. Dispensor (the Mountain Dew bot) certainly wasn't cornered. He activated, transformed and just started shooting. The Escalade just grabbed the woman's face (who knows what happened to her...) The Xbox tried to rip the guy apart and he threw it on the ground.

And we don't know that they didn't use pieces of Megatron's body to create our technology. Or (and yes, this is a stretch, I admit, but it's feasible) they made components that exactly matched Megatron's components and the Allspark read those as being Megatron's signature.

The Allspark isn't good or evil, like the Tri-Force, it just obeys the wishes of whomever is using it.

I would follow the idea that the technology made from Megatron would more than likely follow his violent tendancies. Or again, as previously stated, perhaps they simply weren't of sufficiently complicated construction to have been endowed intelligence, making them feral.

Though I'm not convinced that much thought was ever put into those brief throwaway scenes.

Meverix wrote:I'm gonna go with the TF2 treatment's explanation

*SPOILERS MAYBE*

The Allspark gives it life.

The Creation Matrix gives it a soul.

Without a soul, its feral.

All Transformers are given souls by the Matrix, the decision to become Autobot or Decepticon is made afterward by the concious individual.

I quite like that explanation

As do I. That's exactly what I was thinking after I saw the movie a couple of times and began thinking about it.

Question though: Is the Creation Matrix the same or similar to the Matrix of Leadership (if it exists in this continuity)? I doubt it, but you never know...

spikewolf123 wrote:

Deadpool. wrote:

Kcire wrote:New to the forums and sorry if discussed before.

Why did only the Bad guys benefit from the All Spark?

Frenzy gets healed just by being close to it while Bumble Bee touches it, after getting messed up by Star Scream, and doesn't.

They expose the Nokia phone and it goes ape **** with MGs and rockets.

Also when Sam runs in to the truck and the spark activates, the steering wheel eats the girls face, the 360 goes nuts, and the Mountain Dew machine attacks.

Every bot the Spark makes or helps turn Evil.

Why no Good guys?

That was also discussed on the Wilipedia talk page.

And their robot modes appeared to have red eyes and all behaved violently.

And Bumblebee did get healed by the Allspark. He got his vocal module repaired.

wow who cares

you really need to change your sig size, and not be so negative to others. "wow who cares"? obviously you do if you took the time to quote AND flame Deadpool.



i also like the idea of newly spawned transformers being feral. it is natural for a creature to become defensive when they are forced into an unknown environment, like the nokia in the "spark-box."

Autobot032 wrote:

Meverix wrote:I'm gonna go with the TF2 treatment's explanation

*SPOILERS MAYBE*

The Allspark gives it life.

The Creation Matrix gives it a soul.

Without a soul, its feral.

All Transformers are given souls by the Matrix, the decision to become Autobot or Decepticon is made afterward by the concious individual.

I quite like that explanation

That doesn't work. Prime was going to put the cube in his chest to destroy it, knowing it would kill him from the power overload. Here's the problem with all of that...if he has the creation Matrix inside of him, why would he destroy himself, the Matrix, and the cube all at once.

Which is mindless and senseless. Why on Earth would he do that?

This is one of the main reasons I don't care for that "treatment".

What use is a soul without a body?

So you destroy the allspark but you still have the power to imbue something with a soul. Kinda renders the Matrix redundant, huh? May aswell subject it to a power overload.

Meverix wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Meverix wrote:I'm gonna go with the TF2 treatment's explanation

*SPOILERS MAYBE*

The Allspark gives it life.

The Creation Matrix gives it a soul.

Without a soul, its feral.

All Transformers are given souls by the Matrix, the decision to become Autobot or Decepticon is made afterward by the concious individual.

I quite like that explanation

That doesn't work. Prime was going to put the cube in his chest to destroy it, knowing it would kill him from the power overload. Here's the problem with all of that...if he has the creation Matrix inside of him, why would he destroy himself, the Matrix, and the cube all at once.

Which is mindless and senseless. Why on Earth would he do that?

This is one of the main reasons I don't care for that "treatment".

What use is a soul without a body?

So you destroy the allspark but you still have the power to imbue something with a soul. Kinda renders the Matrix redundant, huh? May aswell subject it to a power overload.

Perhaps the Allspark gives it a transforming body. So the Matrix can give souls, but it would end up similar to KITT, fully sentient but trapped with no robot mode.

Insurgent wrote:

Meverix wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Meverix wrote:I'm gonna go with the TF2 treatment's explanation

*SPOILERS MAYBE*

The Allspark gives it life.

The Creation Matrix gives it a soul.

Without a soul, its feral.

All Transformers are given souls by the Matrix, the decision to become Autobot or Decepticon is made afterward by the concious individual.

I quite like that explanation

That doesn't work. Prime was going to put the cube in his chest to destroy it, knowing it would kill him from the power overload. Here's the problem with all of that...if he has the creation Matrix inside of him, why would he destroy himself, the Matrix, and the cube all at once.

Which is mindless and senseless. Why on Earth would he do that?

This is one of the main reasons I don't care for that "treatment".

What use is a soul without a body?

So you destroy the allspark but you still have the power to imbue something with a soul. Kinda renders the Matrix redundant, huh? May aswell subject it to a power overload.

Perhaps the Allspark gives it a transforming body. So the Matrix can give souls, but it would end up similar to KITT, fully sentient but trapped with no robot mode.

Not likely, else cars would be driving themselves.

Only if Prime used the matrix on them. Then they would be, but no Matrix juice, no sentient car.

DavidT wrote:Frenzy was repaired instantly and it didn't look like he even touched the allspark, just standing below it. Bumblebee touched it, shrank it, and carried it. After the cube has been shrunken, Bumblebee still talked like the radio. It wasn't till the end of the movie that he talked normal ?????

I still like my theory that it was psychological damage.

Megatron destroyed his vocal processors and whether it was Ratchet or the AllSpark that fixed him it was the defeat of Megatron that allowed him to overcome the trauma of the damage and speak.

Burn wrote:

DavidT wrote:Frenzy was repaired instantly and it didn't look like he even touched the allspark, just standing below it. Bumblebee touched it, shrank it, and carried it. After the cube has been shrunken, Bumblebee still talked like the radio. It wasn't till the end of the movie that he talked normal ?????

I still like my theory that it was psychological damage.

Megatron destroyed his vocal processors and whether it was Ratchet or the AllSpark that fixed him it was the defeat of Megatron that allowed him to overcome the trauma of the damage and speak.

Sorry but I must have missed that.

They said that Bumble lost his voice in combat, but when did they say it was in combat against Megatron?

Kcire wrote:

Burn wrote:

DavidT wrote:Frenzy was repaired instantly and it didn't look like he even touched the allspark, just standing below it. Bumblebee touched it, shrank it, and carried it. After the cube has been shrunken, Bumblebee still talked like the radio. It wasn't till the end of the movie that he talked normal ?????

I still like my theory that it was psychological damage.

Megatron destroyed his vocal processors and whether it was Ratchet or the AllSpark that fixed him it was the defeat of Megatron that allowed him to overcome the trauma of the damage and speak.

Sorry but I must have missed that.

They said that Bumble lost his voice in combat, but when did they say it was in combat against Megatron?

Prequel comic. Though it holds no weight with me until the writers or Bay come out and say "Oh yeah, it's part of the story."

Kcire wrote:New to the forums and sorry if discussed before.

Why did only the Bad guys benefit from the All Spark?

Frenzy gets healed just by being close to it while Bumble Bee touches it, after getting messed up by Star Scream, and doesn't.

They expose the Nokia phone and it goes ape **** with MGs and rockets.

Also when Sam runs in to the truck and the spark activates, the steering wheel eats the girls face, the 360 goes nuts, and the Mountain Dew machine attacks.

Every bot the Spark makes or helps turn Evil.

Why no Good guys?

As for why Bumblebee's legs were not restored, the Allspark's container did not have enough mass to restore his legs.


Michael