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daimchoc wrote:

This looks very G-1. hopefully it turns out better than the recent Hasbro version.

I was waiting for the Maketoys upgrade kit for YOTS, but a nice symmetrical looking figure would be welcome. Also no monkey arms is a huge plus so this has my attention.

I have never felt dissatisfied with YotS Omega Supreme. This would have to be a fair bit better to get me to buy it. There's a lot of other stuff coming out that has me excited.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I have never felt dissatisfied with YotS Omega Supreme. This would have to be a fair bit better to get me to buy it. There's a lot of other stuff coming out that has me excited.

Agreed. I'm more interested in upgrading Hasbro's Omega than replacing it.

Mkall wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I have never felt dissatisfied with YotS Omega Supreme. This would have to be a fair bit better to get me to buy it. There's a lot of other stuff coming out that has me excited.

Agreed. I'm more interested in upgrading Hasbro's Omega than replacing it.

Im open to upgrading mine too. But you gotta admit, the red Ronald Mcdonald boot looks pretty silly. If only Hasbro had just painted it the same color as the other leg.

daimchoc wrote:

That silhouette is pretty damn sexy.

What a tease.

Hmmm...

I'm not sure the arms are Monkey enough for me


Joking aside, I'm happy with Genesis as my Classics Omega because of him being more Cybertronian and less G1.

Arctorro wrote:Hmmm...

I'm not sure the arms are Monkey enough for me


Joking aside, I'm happy with Genesis as my Classics Omega because of him being more Cybertronian and less G1.

I was always under the assumption that the "guardian" robot mold from G1 was Cybertronian ? So are you saying anything from the G1 cartoon is not Cybertronian ? What would that make alpha trion and elita one ?

I'm very interested in this.

I skipped Genesis as I did not like the overall look, and no replacement parts were forthcoming. I also skipped YotS, so I'm in need of a decent Omega.

Rated X wrote:

Arctorro wrote:Hmmm...

I'm not sure the arms are Monkey enough for me


Joking aside, I'm happy with Genesis as my Classics Omega because of him being more Cybertronian and less G1.

I was always under the assumption that the "guardian" robot mold from G1 was Cybertronian ? So are you saying anything from the G1 cartoon is not Cybertronian ? What would that make alpha trion and elita one ?

I thought Omega's alt mode was just an earth base rocket with a tank on train tracks?

Alpha Trion and Elita one was definitely Cybertronian but I don't remember their alt modes if they ever had one in the cartoons.

mooncake623 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Arctorro wrote:Hmmm...

I'm not sure the arms are Monkey enough for me


Joking aside, I'm happy with Genesis as my Classics Omega because of him being more Cybertronian and less G1.

I was always under the assumption that the "guardian" robot mold from G1 was Cybertronian ? So are you saying anything from the G1 cartoon is not Cybertronian ? What would that make alpha trion and elita one ?

I thought Omega's alt mode was just an earth base rocket with a tank on train tracks?

Alpha Trion and Elita one was definitely Cybertronian but I don't remember their alt modes if they ever had one in the cartoons.

Well Omega was a "Guardian" of Crystal City which was built by the constructicons before Megatron turned them evil. The Guardian Robots were pictured in many G1 episodes and were the same as Omega but Blue and White like the e-hobby repaint of the original toy. They never showed any of the guardians in alt mode on Cybertron. Im assuming the alt mode was Cybertronian because the tank that goes on the tracks resembles no Earth tank. Same thing with Skyfire and his un-earthlike jet mode. Those two characters are kind of a grey area since they werent transported to Earth by the Ark and didnt recieve a Earth mode scan by Teletran 1.

speaking of grey areas jetfire traveled to earth as a scientist when he was lost in a storm or something and frozen on earth millions of years ago in his cybertronian jet form. he was accompanied by starscream in his f-15 earth disguise.....millions of years ago....yeah that is very, very grey

And speaking of gray I always assumed that very gray omega supreme had a Cybertronian alt mode that was simply a bit vintage in it's style (an old-timey rocket) rather than some modern sleek design like Cyclonus

whoops, yeah, decided to quote myself then misspell whoops then tell everyone I did it just now. need to have my gray matter inspected me thinks

Skyfire scanned a video of Robotech.

<_< >_>

What?

1985 cartoon Jetfire & 1985 Cartoon Omega Supreme has earth based alt modes. Because The 1984-1985 TF cartoon characters that stayed on the earth,All had earth based alt modes. Because this was the theme Hasbro was going for at that time.

Saying stuff like 1985 Cartoon Jetfire & 1985 Omega Supreme don't look like any earth alt modes I've ever seen,so they have got to be cybertrian alt modes, is just absurd. It's absurd because the AEC,TFA,TFP earth based alt modes looked nothing like realistic military or liscensed vehicles.

Saying stuff like 1985 Omega's Tank mode looks nothing like i've ever seen. Is also another absurd statemenet. Due there literally being thousands upon thousands of different real military tank designs out there. There are also so many real military experimental tank designs out there. With the numbers so high,No one has the time nor resources to view all these realistic & experimental military tanks.

I think it's silly to worry about whether the animation models from the G1 cartoon are accurate to determine what was a Cybertronian mode and what was an earth mode. Between continuity errors (the aforementioned Starscream in F15 mode in the flashback to when Skyfire was stranded on earth millions of years ago) to the animation errors (too numerous to count) there are arguments to be made on all five sides of this type of argument (I won't even go into how alien robot lifeforms look like us with faces and two arms and two legs; this same argument is made in Star Trek, though they tried to explain it in an episode).

I think it's just better to look at them as pretty darn cool looking robots that transform into pretty darn cool looking vehicles/bases/stuff. (For the most part.) Each can have their own personal fiction/continuity.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:1985 cartoon Jetfire & 1985 Cartoon Omega Supreme has earth based alt modes. Because The 1984-1985 TF cartoon characters that stayed on the earth,All had earth based alt modes. Because this was the theme Hasbro was going for at that time.

Saying stuff like 1985 Cartoon Jetfire & 1985 Omega Supreme don't look like any earth alt modes I've ever seen,so they have got to be cybertrian alt modes, is just absurd. It's absurd because the AEC,TFA,TFP earth based alt modes looked nothing like realistic military or liscensed vehicles.

Saying stuff like 1985 Omega's Tank mode looks nothing like i've ever seen. Is also another absurd statemenet. Due there literally being thousands upon thousands of different real military tank designs out there. There are also so many real military experimental tank designs out there. With the numbers so high,No one has the time nor resources to view all these realistic & experimental military tanks.

It's funny how you declared that you blocked me, but youre talking about comments I made that nobody has quoted yet. If you think my idea of Omega and Skyfire having Cybertronian alt modes is absurd, consider this:



Yes that's his alt mode on Ancient Cybertron guarding Crystal City millions of years before the Autobots arrived on Earth.

Omega was a special Guardian Robot. He was one of these guys, but for whatever reason he had his own color scheme.



On Skyfire, all I can say is if you pull a Cybertronian jet out of the ice that has been frozen for millions of years, wouldn't that make it from ancient Cybertron ? Remember Skyfire was drawn different for the cartoon. He wasn't drawn as the Robotech figure in either jet or robot modes. Not that it matters. Were talking G1 cartoon here, not G1 toys. All Season 1 and 2 characters had an Earth alt modes, with the exception of Skyfire and Omega. It wasn't until after the 1986 movie that any additional Cybertronian alt modes appeared on Earth.(Springer,Blurr,Cyclonus,Scourge,etc) Please don't accuse me of using Photoshop on these images. They all come straight from TF Wiki.

I challenge you to find any jet that existed on Earth back in 1985 that looked like this:



Good luck !

Rated X wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:1985 cartoon Jetfire & 1985 Cartoon Omega Supreme has earth based alt modes. Because The 1984-1985 TF cartoon characters that stayed on the earth,All had earth based alt modes. Because this was the theme Hasbro was going for at that time.

Saying stuff like 1985 Cartoon Jetfire & 1985 Omega Supreme don't look like any earth alt modes I've ever seen,so they have got to be cybertrian alt modes, is just absurd. It's absurd because the AEC,TFA,TFP earth based alt modes looked nothing like realistic military or liscensed vehicles.

Saying stuff like 1985 Omega's Tank mode looks nothing like i've ever seen. Is also another absurd statemenet. Due there literally being thousands upon thousands of different real military tank designs out there. There are also so many real military experimental tank designs out there. With the numbers so high,No one has the time nor resources to view all these realistic & experimental military tanks.

It's funny how you declared that you blocked me, but youre talking about comments I made that nobody has quoted yet. If you think my idea of Omega and Skyfire having Cybertronian alt modes is absurd, consider this:



Yes that's his alt mode on Ancient Cybertron guarding Crystal City millions of years before the Autobots arrived on Earth.

Omega was a special Guardian Robot. He was one of these guys, but for whatever reason he had his own color scheme.



On Skyfire, all I can say is if you pull a Cybertronian jet out of the ice that has been frozen for millions of years, wouldn't that make it from ancient Cybertron ? Remember Skyfire was drawn different for the cartoon. He wasn't drawn as the Robotech figure in either jet or robot modes. Not that it matters. Were talking G1 cartoon here, not G1 toys. All Season 1 and 2 characters had an Earth alt modes, with the exception of Skyfire and Omega. It wasn't until after the 1986 movie that any additional Cybertronian alt modes appeared on Earth.(Springer,Blurr,Cyclonus,Scourge,etc) Please don't accuse me of using Photoshop on these images. They all come straight from TF Wiki.

I challenge you to find any jet that existed on Earth back in 1985 that looked like this:



Good luck !

Hasbro has the final say not fans. Hasbro did consider the 1985 Omega supreme & Jetfire alt modes as being modeled after earth based alt modes in the cartoon,comic & toy line.

Like others have said in this thread. You can't use cartoon episodes as a bible for anything. due to animation art errors. It's no secret,Hasbro was cheap they didn't want to pay extra for different art,They made errors on purpose to save money. This is why the constructicons got earth based vehicle modes on Cybertron millions of years ago. This is why Starscream had his F-15 jet mode in that flash back scene in that jetfire intro ep. This is why most of the MTMTE cast had there earth mode vehicle kibble on there robots modes 4+ milliions of years ago on Cybertron.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:1985 cartoon Jetfire & 1985 Cartoon Omega Supreme has earth based alt modes. Because The 1984-1985 TF cartoon characters that stayed on the earth,All had earth based alt modes. Because this was the theme Hasbro was going for at that time.

Saying stuff like 1985 Cartoon Jetfire & 1985 Omega Supreme don't look like any earth alt modes I've ever seen,so they have got to be cybertrian alt modes, is just absurd. It's absurd because the AEC,TFA,TFP earth based alt modes looked nothing like realistic military or liscensed vehicles.

Saying stuff like 1985 Omega's Tank mode looks nothing like i've ever seen. Is also another absurd statemenet. Due there literally being thousands upon thousands of different real military tank designs out there. There are also so many real military experimental tank designs out there. With the numbers so high,No one has the time nor resources to view all these realistic & experimental military tanks.

It's funny how you declared that you blocked me, but youre talking about comments I made that nobody has quoted yet. If you think my idea of Omega and Skyfire having Cybertronian alt modes is absurd, consider this:



Yes that's his alt mode on Ancient Cybertron guarding Crystal City millions of years before the Autobots arrived on Earth.

Omega was a special Guardian Robot. He was one of these guys, but for whatever reason he had his own color scheme.



On Skyfire, all I can say is if you pull a Cybertronian jet out of the ice that has been frozen for millions of years, wouldn't that make it from ancient Cybertron ? Remember Skyfire was drawn different for the cartoon. He wasn't drawn as the Robotech figure in either jet or robot modes. Not that it matters. Were talking G1 cartoon here, not G1 toys. All Season 1 and 2 characters had an Earth alt modes, with the exception of Skyfire and Omega. It wasn't until after the 1986 movie that any additional Cybertronian alt modes appeared on Earth.(Springer,Blurr,Cyclonus,Scourge,etc) Please don't accuse me of using Photoshop on these images. They all come straight from TF Wiki.

I challenge you to find any jet that existed on Earth back in 1985 that looked like this:



Good luck !

Hasbro has the final say not fans. Hasbro did consider the 1985 Omega supreme & Jetfire alt modes as being modeled after earth based alt modes in the cartoon,comic & toy line.

Like others have said in this thread. You can't use cartoon episodes as a bible for anything. due to animation art errors. It's no secret,Hasbro was cheap they didn't want to pay extra for different art,They made errors on purpose to save money. This is why the constructicons got earth based vehicle modes on Cybertron millions of years ago. This is why Starscream had his F-15 jet mode in that flash back scene in that jetfire intro ep. This is why most of the MTMTE cast had there earth mode vehicle kibble on there robots modes 4+ milliions of years ago on Cybertron.

“Skyfire” never got a toy from Hasbro. He only appeared in the G1 cartoon. “Jetfire” was a repaint of a Robotech toy and was not featured in the cartoon.

If the cartoon (and probably the comic) displays Omega as a Cybetronian alt mode than Cybertronian it is. Sunbow and Marvel were behinfd the G1 fiction, not Hasbro. All Hasbro did was make the toys and give Sunbow/Marvel a physical appearance to use in their drawings. (which they often deviated from toy line like with Ironhide, Ratchet, Skyfire, and Reflector a 3 identical clones)

Your obsession with the actual toy line blinds you from all official fiction. I admitted from the very beginning that Skyfire and Omega were a “grey area” but as usual you ranted on calling my logic absurd.

I offered proof straight from the cartoon. All you’ve offered is a claim that YOU read something Hasbro designers spoke about 30 years ago. Do you at least have a link to this information to support your claim ?

Rated X wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:.....

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Rated X .vs. Tsutsukakushi

Oh man, how's a guy to decide between these two?

"Then" not "Than"

[youtube]http://youtu.be/VFEEa-jibhs[/youtube]

I never questioned Omega Supreme being Cybertronian. He just doesn't look Earth-based.

Skyfire (on the show) also seemed Cybertronian to me. Unless there's a real-world plane that looks like that it seems they just altered his alt. mode to be alien.

I now they took Starscream's f-15 alt. mode and plopped it into the same episode, but neither Skyfire nor OS look like anything on Earth. So ... Cybertronian.

Rated X wrote: Skyfire” never got a toy from Hasbro. He only appeared in the G1 cartoon. “Jetfire” was a repaint of a Robotech toy and was not featured in the cartoon.

Can you please stop pretending not to know the facts just to win a reply debate.

1985 Cartoon Skyfire & 1985 Jetfire's toy were based off the same entity persona design. Hasbro couldn't use the 1985 Jetfire design in the cartoon because Robotech was using it in there cartoon. So Hasbro had to create a different animated design. Hasbro probably was allowed to used the Jetfire name on the toy but not on the cartoon character. So Hasbro had to call it Skyfire in the cartoon.

In the Marvel G-1 Comic Shockwave builds Skyfire or Jetfire from scratch on the the earth. So he has a definate earth mode here.

Rated X wrote:If the cartoon (and probably the comic) displays Omega as a Cybetronian alt mode than Cybertronian it is. Sunbow and Marvel were behinfd the G1 fiction, not Hasbro. All Hasbro did was make the toys and give Sunbow/Marvel a physical appearance to use in their drawings.

In the Marvel G-1 Comic Omega Supreme was built from scratch on the earth,So he has a earth based vehicle mode. 1985 Omega supreme's toy list it as a earth based vehicle mode. In the cartoon 1985 Omega had a earth based vehicle mode.

Sorry,everyone,I'm done replying to this X. back in the foe list he goes & stays forever.

craggy wrote:"Then" not "Than"

Fixed, I think. (Just need the video ID in the YouTube operator. Quote me and you can see what I mean. )

[Edit] Though I thought it was a video related to Omega Supreme. Gotta preview this.

Can we ask nicely one more time, X and Tsut? Can you guys take this dispute off line so we can talk about this new third party Omega Supreme? I'd appreciate it!