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See, this is why people are accusing you of trolling: you're not addressing the issue. I ask again, what is wrong with people deciding how much they're willing to pay for an item?

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing and will gladly pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing but are not ready to pay the retail price for various reasons (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing but are still ready to pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who don't know what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing and are not ready to pay the retail price because they're misinformed about the toy and/or what should be factored in the cost of a toy (THIS THREAD COULD BE ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth but are pretending it's worth a fraction of the asking price just for the kick of venting while they're secretly hoping to score the toy later on clearance because they're just too cheap (THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THEM)

megatroptimus wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:3.) I (and many others) find that spending $80.00 on a single figure is too much

Yeah, but a lot of us have no problem spending more than $100 on Takara masterpiece figures, Macross, CMS, SOC, etc., figures that technically are just pretty and fragile and do less than UBB or Death Star Vader or Leader Brawl... and we don't complain because we know where the money went.

I do complain that it's too much money for a figure. Masterpiece or otherwise. That's why I haven't bought any of the Japanese released Masterpieces.

I waited for the cheaper 20th. Prime, and now I'm waiting for the cheaper Masterpiece Starscream. Color variances aside, they're the same figures, for a lot less money. It's a no brainer. Why spend more for the same thing, when you don't have to?

Sledge wrote:Ok, now I know you're talking out of your arse. First of all, MP Prime is certainly not fragile, and he's loaded with features and posablity.

Secondly, if people are paying hundreds of dollars for figures, how can you justify calling the same people "cheap"? As I've said, people decide how to spend their money. They decide some items are worth the asking price (or more) and some aren't. How is that a bad thing?

It isn't, he's just whining to whine.

megatroptimus wrote:

Sledge wrote:No, I insist on you explaining what your problem is with people choosing how to spend their money.

I already explained that. Some people turn on their overbitch mode to downvalue a toy, pretending it's not worth the price tag, when in reality, they'd jump on it if they had the money because they secretly know said toy doesn't suck as much as they claim it does. It just makes them feel better or something it seems.

WTF?? UBB for $120??? Crap toy, doesn't do anything, bla, bla, bla. I'll only pick one if they clearance it for $10.

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(****, I wish I had the money, I want one.)

Just check the Toy haul thread. You'll quickly notice that some people who initially said they'd never touch toy X with a 50' pole finally ended up buying toy X.

I've had the money to buy Bumblebee, several times since he was released, and chose not to. I'm not going to spend $80.00 on a single toy. For me, it doesn't justify the price. As I said, the Robosapien does a lot more for a lot less. If they could incorporate Robosapien's technology, along with Ultimate Bumblebee's body, and it ended up being priced at $100.00...I'd actually pay the extra $20.00 and get him at that full price because he would actually be worth it. (I admit, one man's sense of worth is different from another's.)

And no, I would *not* jump at the chance to buy one, even if someone gave me $80.00 just to buy it. I'd buy the rest of the Real Gear figures I need (or U.S. version Masterpiece Starscream) and save the rest for more figures later on. Once UBB hits clearance (and it's a sane price) then I'll buy him.

You're right, I said I'd never buy Arcee, Dreadwing, or any of the other non-cast figures. I did end up buying them and enjoying them, but there's a big difference in changing your mind and spending a $10.00 bill and changing your mind and spending $80.00 Heck, that $80.00 could go on a bill so you don't owe the next month. That could go to paying up Netflix for the next 3-4 months. I choose not to blow excessive money because it's a TOY. I could if I wanted to, and that's what you're not getting. My father even offered it to me as a belated birthday present, and he looked at me like I was insane. "You're turning down a TransFormer? A free one, no less?" I told him it was a ridiculous price and I refuse to pay it. He was shocked, but commended me for it.

megatroptimus wrote:

Sledge wrote:MP Prime is certainly not fragile, and he's loaded with features and posablity.

Prime is the only MP mold that is okay. Megatron and Starscream ARE fragile.

Yes, they are fragile. And that is yet another reason why I refuse to pay Japanese import prices for either of those figures. I was offered a chance to buy Masterpiece Megatron, plus pre-order the add-on Stock, Silencer, etc kit. I said "No, it's too fragile, and too much money to spend on a single figure. No matter how he cool he looks, he just isn't worth it." I went out and bought a Wii instead. (Again...I *HAD* the money, I *CHOSE* not to spend it on something so frivolous.)

The Wii could be considered frivolous, but everyone uses it, not just me, so it's actually the more sensible of the two to be purchased.

EDIT: Added the two posts made during my last post.

Sledge wrote:See, this is why people are accusing you of trolling: you're not addressing the issue. I ask again, what is wrong with people deciding how much they're willing to pay for an item?

He's not going to answer you because it's far more entertaining for him to upset everyone else. He's not doing this for information, he's not asking out of genuine curiosity. He's outright attacking people in a thinly veiled "question". It's his M.O.

megatroptimus wrote:

Sledge wrote:See, this is why people are accusing you of trolling: you're not addressing the issue. I ask again, what is wrong with people deciding how much they're willing to pay for an item?

You never understood my initial post. Re-read, re-read and re-read, and then come back. Your question is not what this thread is about. It's about people not meaning what they write and/or not making sense in what they write... because they're cheap. If you feel targetted, then it's really your problem man. It's just a discussion.

PS : You're the only one to see trolling here.

I say what I mean and I mean what I say. Don't put words in my mouth or anyone else's for that matter.

I'm not cheap, I'm sensible with my purchases. There's a difference between the two, which you can see. You choose not to, though. (that's one of your problems, you never concede to an accurate or realistic point.)

I *HAVE* the money to go buy Ultimate Bumblebee.
I *CHOOSE* not to. I see no reason I should spend $80.00 on an item that's clearly overpriced. There are comparable items for a lot less that do a lot more. Why should I spend so much money on an item that shouldn't be that expensive?

And *YOU* are being the troll. I've seen you contribute to the community, but generally you do this just for fun. You like to press buttons just to see how far you can go with it. You enjoy watching people get upset.

People feel targeted around you because you *DO* target them. Then you go in for the "kill" like a rabid dog and you never let up. You dig down to the bone and keep at it, over and over.

You've been reported several times, the people generally can't stand your posts, that should be a clue to the rest of us that you're not here to add, but to detract.

We have enough of that as is, we don't need any more.
Hey, I have an idea...why don't you go spend some of that money on an overpriced item? Yeah, I think we'd all feel a little bit better.

Mmmkay?

KTHXBAI.

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing and will gladly pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing but are not ready to pay the retail price for various reasons (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing but are still ready to pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who don't know what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing and are not ready to pay the retail price because they're misinformed about the toy and/or what should be factored in the cost of a toy (THIS THREAD COULD BE ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth but are pretending it's worth a fraction of the asking price just for the kick of venting while they're secretly hoping to score the toy later on clearance because they're just too cheap (THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THEM)

megatroptimus wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:It isn't, he's just whining to whine.

From what I read about you here and on tfans.com, it seems I'm not the only one to enjoy that sport. Anyway, you're just an exception. Be proud.

PS : Robosapiens don't transform. UBB is the first TF of its kind. Robosapiens have been refined for how many years now?

No, you thrive off of this crap. You live for it and enjoy it.

I don't care whether or not Robosapiens transform.
I don't care if Bumblebee is the first TF of his kind.

If it wasn't for the gimmicks, Ultimate Bumblebee would be around the $50.00 mark for that much plastic. The gimmicks push him the other $30.00 and it's not necessary.

I'd rather spend $50.00 on a Robosapien that actually does something, and $50.00 on an Ultimate Bumblebee that truly is Ultimate (like a masterpiece version of the figure) and for $100.00 (or even a little over)...if I could get both aspects in one figure, that'd be perfect.

But we didn't get that. We got a behemoth of plastic with expensive gimmicks that don't really do much, and certainly don't make it worth $80.00

And don't tell me everyone feels it's worth it. I've read plenty of posts between here, TFans, ATT, etc where people bought him (and some of these people were far from broke) and they felt more than disappointed in him. Some so much so, they RETURNED him for a refund. They didn't need the money, they chose not to spend so much on something that does so little.

You have no answer for that one, so don't even try.

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing and will gladly pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing but are not ready to pay the retail price for various reasons (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing but are still ready to pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who don't know what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing and are not ready to pay the retail price because they're misinformed about the toy and/or what should be factored in the cost of a toy (THIS THREAD COULD BE ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth but are pretending it's worth a fraction of the asking price just for the kick of venting while they're secretly hoping to score the toy later on clearance because they're just too cheap (THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THEM)

megatroptimus wrote:There are TONS of posts about people who are satisfied with UBB, not even counting those who don't even bother posting about it.

...wow. I'm starting to wonder whether or not you:

A.) get it and choose not to

or

b.) you really are learning disabled, and you can't get it.

No one said there weren't satisfied owners of Bumblebee. I said there were some people that weren't.

Seriously...do you even read these posts, or do you just make it up as you go along?

megatroptimus wrote:It's funny how you always overreact whenever I post something. You see my name and it seems you automatically blow a gasket. I would post "it was warm and sunny today" and you'd probably jump on me saying I'm trolling and stuff. What's wrong with you man?

Wrong with me? What about you? You're missing an important point here...I'm not the only one who jumps when a post of your's is made. People jump when you post something because they know it's going to end up exactly like this one has.

That's my (and most likely everyone else's) problem with you. You're known for being trollish, you post trollish material, you're rude and inconsiderate, you think you're always right and have no problem telling people they're wrong (even when that's clearly not the case) and you're outright offensive. When people differ from your opinion, you become ignorant. When you get ignorant, we get defensive, and you become a bigger problem.

People have reported you for a *REASON*

I'm not the only one who finds you problematic.
I'm just one of the more vocal opponents.

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing and will gladly pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing but are not ready to pay the retail price for various reasons (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing but are still ready to pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who don't know what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing and are not ready to pay the retail price because they're misinformed about the toy and/or what should be factored in the cost of a toy (THIS THREAD COULD BE ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth but are pretending it's worth a fraction of the asking price just for the kick of venting while they're secretly hoping to score the toy later on clearance because they're just too cheap (THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THEM)

I decide what I am willing to pay for an item. If it's worth it to me, I will pay alot. if not, then I will pay face value. but if I can get it cheap, I will. However, I am one of these people who won't chance picking it up on clearance because I klnow that it could be gone and an opportunity missed. Then I may have to pay more for it in the end.

So basically I will pay what I feel I can afford.

megatroptimus wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

...wow. I'm starting to wonder whether or not you:

A.) get it and choose not to

or

b.) you really are learning disabled, and you can't get it.

No one said there weren't satisfied owners of Bumblebee. I said there were some people that weren't.

Seriously...do you even read these posts, or do you just make it up as you go along?

To be honest, the learning disabled whining troll says your posts are rarely worth a good read. Don't take it too personal though. But your post made it sound like a majority of purchasers disliked UBB and returned it, which is very, very, very far from the truth. But hey, isn't distorting facts half the fun around here?

No one distorted any facts.

I never said all the people returned it. I said I saw a lot of posts with people disappointed in it. (I can't help it if those threads were made by several people, instead of all the naysayers using just one giant thread to complain.) I said some of those people returned it.

No one's lied to you on Seibertron, and when you say that, you're not only offending me, you're offending the board and it's people.

Think before you post, it's just like when you think before you open your mouth. (Which I'm sure you have a problem with.)

Sunstar wrote:I decide what I am willing to pay for an item. If it's worth it to me, I will pay alot. if not, then I will pay face value. but if I can get it cheap, I will. However, I am one of these people who won't chance picking it up on clearance because I klnow that it could be gone and an opportunity missed. Then I may have to pay more for it in the end.

So basically I will pay what I feel I can afford.

Now see, that's sensible. There's nothing wrong with that train of thought. I commend you for it. There are days when I look back at my collecting and regret all the times I made stupid purchases.

I also look at it this way, if I take the chance and wait for clearance, and miss out on it...well then, so be it. I just wasn't meant to get it. (Which is fine with me. Deluxe Class Bumblebee really is the better of the two.)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing and will gladly pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing but are not ready to pay the retail price for various reasons (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing but are still ready to pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who don't know what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing and are not ready to pay the retail price because they're misinformed about the toy and/or what should be factored in the cost of a toy (THIS THREAD COULD BE ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth but are pretending it's worth a fraction of the asking price just for the kick of venting while they're secretly hoping to score the toy later on clearance because they're just too cheap (THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THEM)

megatroptimus wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:
No one's lied to you on Seibertron, and when you say that, you're not only offending me, you're offending the board and it's people.

I strongly doubt you're speaking for the whole board here. Don't make your reality board's reality.

Ah, but you did include the board. In fact, this is what you said:

megatroptimus wrote:But your post made it sound like a majority of purchasers disliked UBB and returned it, which is very, very, very far from the truth. But hey, isn't distorting facts half the fun around here?

"Around here" means around this board. You not only made an offensive comment towards me, but the board as well.

And what I said still stands: No one here on Seibertron has lied to you.

Yet you say half the fun around HERE comes from distorting facts.

I want to see you slime your way out of this one, go ahead.

I'd really like a huge expensive HD tv, but I'm gonna wait til they cost less. Maybe I'm cheap, and maybe I don't have a lot of money to throw at a product that's gonna go down in price in time. I also want a BMW, and when I have the money I'll get one a few years old to save some money.

Some of us are thrifty, which may be another word for cheap, but I don't care. I saved money, so it's all good.

i'll pay what I think is reasonable for the product on offer, unless the store happens to be charging less in which case I'll be all over it.

Case in point: Classics Starscream. That toy was £10 ($20 to you monetary challenged colonials) and it was well worth it, so much that had it been £15 or maybe even £20 I'd have bought it. The deluxe sized Prime vs G2 Megatron set was £20, but I would not have paid more because I wasn't that interested in Megatron and as much as I like Prime's robot mode I knew his alt was rubbish. A tenner each was more than enough.
Ultimate Bumblebee (since this seems to be the real topic of discussion) is not worht anywhere near £80 to me. I'd rather 20th Anniversary Prime and Classics Nerfatron or something similar.

Yo, I'm beginning to notice a very distinct similarity between this hombre and that dude Joel who had the whole "I'm against reissues" thing going on- neither will listen to other people's perspectievs. Now come on, this doesn't need to be a poor man's me Vs Tramp thing. Now that he's gone, I don't wanna see any more pointless arguing on the board, so let's just agree to disagree, a'ight?

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing and will gladly pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing but are not ready to pay the retail price for various reasons (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing but are still ready to pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who don't know what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing and are not ready to pay the retail price because they're misinformed about the toy and/or what should be factored in the cost of a toy (THIS THREAD COULD BE ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth but are pretending it's worth a fraction of the asking price just for the kick of venting while they're secretly hoping to score the toy later on clearance because they're just too cheap (THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THEM)

I thought about the senerio more... There is one figure that I would not buy unless I could snare it really cheap. That's because, I don't particularily want it unless it comes by my way at a value I am willing to drop.

Shoe Starscream.

I am a sort of completist collector of Starscream figures, I don't have all yet, I just haven't found them at a price I want to pay. Shoe Starscream is one of those figures that, Yes, if I had the funds available, I would buy him at his face value. I do not in any way like the figure. I find it very strange that Starscream would be made into a shoe. I mean, he flies... I can't think of anything that he could be made into that's sporty. It's the bane of being a completeist; sometimes you feel complelled to go after a figure you really can't give a flying frag about.

So with that said, I would only go after him if he was cheap or I had the money to drop on it. Since I don't, I will go after figures I actually want first. It is not saying, however, that I will not warm up to the figure once I get it.

I set my buying criteria by prioraty and interest.

The whole point of this thread is obviously just to push buttons and cause arguments. There's no question of it, it's like a thread about why do people eat beef when there's so much chicken in the world? Because they like it.

People will pay what they're willing to pay for a figure, what they feel it's worth. Pretty simple. If I think UBB is worth $80. then I'd pay $80. with no problems. If I felt he wasn't worth it, then I wouldn't get it.

But why I choose what I choose, or what I spend on it, is really noone elses business and noone has the right to complain about what I do or don't spend my money on.

This thread was just meant to get attention and cause bad feelings, which apparently it did. There should be a rule against starting and instigating BS argumentative threads that have no value or meaning whatsover. It seems the only purpose was to rile people up.

megatroptimus,

People slam on UBB at $80 or $100 using gross exaggerations on what they will or will not pay for it for the exact same reasons that you take every opportunity to say something negative about G1 or other non-movie lines...

because you and they are haters.

You aren't any different from those that bash the movie designs or who make outrageous claims about price and quality.

To answer your question, again, clearly: People respond the way in which they do in order to make a point and get their opinion heard and noticed, no matter how innane it is.

This is the same thing you do with discussions around non-movie stuff.

Pot, meet Kettle, he's black too.

i'll admit that i'm cheap, but thats because i dont have alot of money to going splashing around buying things. so instead i have to decide if a figure is, at that moment in time, worth the price its being sold for. There are a fair few of the toys that just dont interest me, and at the moment i have no intention of buying them, but thats not to say i wont warm up to some of them in the future, as i know a few people who have a knack of making you see things differently!

I usually avoid getting repaints or remolds, as I dont exactly have that much money to buy repaints. So i usually just get 1 of each mold. And i dont buy double just to keep one MISB either.

yeah, I kinda understand the collectors that buy 3-4 of every figure. One to play with, one to keep MISB, one displayed in alt mode, etc.

I understand it, I just don't get it. I can't even imagine where people get the room to store all that stuff. I just get one figure to play with and display. Buying 3-4 of the same figure to me just seems like obsessive compulsive disorder, or hoarding behavior, like those people that have 20 years worth of newspapers in their house.

I kinda understand why they do it, but I can't say I'd ever do it. If I find 08 BumbleBee and bought 4 of them instead of 1, I'd keep thinking there's 3 little kids out there that aren't going to get the TOY that they want to play with. I remember when I was a kid it took years to get a figure of Darth Vader. And my Moms friend who worked at Sears eventually got one for me, but he said that as soon as they'd arrive in the shipments, collectors would come to the store that day and buy handfuls of the same figures. And this was before eBay and scalpers, these were just collectors. But I remember as a kid thinking that it was total bullshit that I could never find a Darth Vader figure to play with because all the "Adults" were buying up all the toys.

This whole thread is pretty pointless. We all put different values on different figures. Basically, there are "have to have" figures for everyone and "like to haves" as well. I'll pay full price to HTH figures and wait on the others. If they happen to go on sale and I can pick one up, great. If not, that probably means it went to someone who really wanted it and for full price too.

I got MP Skywarp for full price because I wanted to. He was worth full price to me. He was a HTH figure for me.

I bought Classics Jetfire for 5 bucks. He was a LTH figure for me. Doesn't that make me a smart consumer?

I'm not cheap, and I buy repaints/remolds, and am not a completist, but I still think Ultimate BB is a waste of money. I had money for one, and I bought one, and I've spent lots of time playing with mine and I am just not impressed. I think it looks cool but it's real value is limited. I would certainly have liked it if he were $20, and if I heldout and didnt pick him up until he was on clearance I would have been a happier collector.
But as displeased as I am with this particular toy, it's my own fault, and not really anyone elses' buisness to tell me how I wasted my money. We all like different things about different toys for different reasons, so while I'm no Ult. BB fan, whatever, I'm not going to rain on your parade for liking him.

My other thought on this is that there probably aren't too many completists who can afford to buy EVERYTHING at full price. While I'm sure they'll pay full price for most of their collection and even more for some pieces, I doubt there are many out there who haven't held out on some pieces knowing they're probably going to be reduced at some point. Being able to tell which figures are in high demand and which are easy to find and then making the determination on which to wait on is the mark of a smart collector in my book.

Let's be honest, if we were all cheap, we'd probably be saving our money and not spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on Tformers.