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I just hope that he doesn't feel rushed in cap 3...aand that the next solo movie isn't a one more day adaption

Be interesting to see what they do with the sinister six now then, I honestly thought they killed it.

Duke of Luns wrote:So this could mean yet ANOTHER reboot, making the Amazing films completely pointless. Because there is no way they could exist in the same Universe as is.

serious question, I'm not a fan of the newer spider films.................why is there "no way" for the recent spider films to co-exist with the current marvel movie universe?

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Duke of Luns wrote:So this could mean yet ANOTHER reboot, making the Amazing films completely pointless. Because there is no way they could exist in the same Universe as is.

serious question, I'm not a fan of the newer spider films.................why is there "no way" for the recent spider films to co-exist with the current marvel movie universe?

Well for starters, the Andrew Garfield ones rebooted the previous trilogy thus making Toby Maguire's films redundant.

Secondly ... Andrew Garfields movies sucked.

Thirdly ... aside from Stan Lee, they have absoloutely no connection to any of the other MCU movies. All of which have a connection, be it some small prop in the background or a post-credits scene.

Burn wrote:Well for starters, the Andrew Garfield ones rebooted the previous trilogy thus making Toby Maguire's films redundant.

thats obviously a given

Secondly ... Andrew Garfields movies sucked.

did not see the 2nd one, but the 1st was not good, imo

Thirdly ... aside from Stan Lee, they have absoloutely no connection to any of the other MCU movies. All of which have a connection, be it some small prop in the background or a post-credits scene.

not to sound rude, but how does that really answer my question?
Duke of Luns said "theres no way TAS films can fit into Marvels movie universe"
theres no current connection, doesnt mean they cant create one now.
nothing you pointed out precludes the possibility.

They are creating one. Spidey will first appear in a MCU movie (most likely Captain America 3) before he gets his own movie which will Sony funds and retains the profits for, will have input from the MCU overlords so it will no doubt tie into the MCU that way.

You never said anything about creating a connection, you asked "why is there "no way" for the recent spider films to co-exist with the current marvel movie universe" ... and as I said, because there's no connection. They are NOT part of the MCU. Going forth Spider-Man and his solo movies will be.

Well one extremely no way can they coexist example is that New York never suffered from a severe alien attack in the Amazing films. Another is...uh...hmm...I think I might have been making a hyperbole. I mean they couldn't mention other Marvel things, but even then Spider-Man was never really shown to be this great hero everyone loved(or hated) in the films, and things were kept pretty tight to just his character. Iron Man and the Avengers were the apple of the public's eye. This weird vigilante that crawls on walls could easily fall by the wayside.

There were super-villain attacks, but relatively minor ones overall. Lizard's bridge rampage and weird plot to turn everyone into lizards were one night affairs. Same with Electro's attacks in Amazing 2. The blackout lasted for barely an hour or two.

An easy connection to the Marvel Cinematic Universe could even be made with Oscorp. Amazing 2 showed they were making weapons, possibly filling the gap left by Stark's no weapons policy. The Rhino suit could even be a rough prototype for an exo-armor.

So yeah, I guess I was mistaken, Amazing 1 and 2 could still conceivably take place in the current Universe unless I forgot something major. And part of me.... wouldn't mind that. I may not like the retelling and mostly pointless changes to his origin, but it did establish the character, and didn't really do anything "wrong" to him in the grand scheme of things.

Of course, we would still have Gwen, Captain Stacy, and Norman Osbourne dead. But they could build story around that too.

I don't think marvel will keep the Amazing movies as part of the series, if they're wanting a new actor, then stands to reason that spidey will leave that past behind.

You know this is gonna happen now.



Hopefully they make that moment more humorous than it was in the comics.

Burn wrote:You never said anything about creating a connection, you asked "why is there "no way" for the recent spider films to co-exist with the current marvel movie universe" ... and as I said, because there's no connection. They are NOT part of the MCU. Going forth Spider-Man and his solo movies will be.

I asked why theres "no way" the amazing films can be made part of the movie marvel universe.

so far nothing you pointed out precludes the possibility

Duke of Luns wrote:Well one extremely no way can they coexist example is that New York never suffered from a severe alien attack in the Amazing films. Another is...uh...hmm...I think I might have been making a hyperbole. I mean they couldn't mention other Marvel things, but even then Spider-Man was never really shown to be this great hero everyone loved(or hated) in the films, and things were kept pretty tight to just his character. Iron Man and the Avengers were the apple of the public's eye. This weird vigilante that crawls on walls could easily fall by the wayside.

There were super-villain attacks, but relatively minor ones overall. Lizard's bridge rampage and weird plot to turn everyone into lizards were one night affairs. Same with Electro's attacks in Amazing 2. The blackout lasted for barely an hour or two.

An easy connection to the Marvel Cinematic Universe could even be made with Oscorp. Amazing 2 showed they were making weapons, possibly filling the gap left by Stark's no weapons policy. The Rhino suit could even be a rough prototype for an exo-armor.

So yeah, I guess I was mistaken, Amazing 1 and 2 could still conceivably take place in the current Universe unless I forgot something major. And part of me.... wouldn't mind that. I may not like the retelling and mostly pointless changes to his origin, but it did establish the character, and didn't really do anything "wrong" to him in the grand scheme of things.

Of course, we would still have Gwen, Captain Stacy, and Norman Osbourne dead. But they could build story around that too.

those type of things have happened for years in the comics.how many time havewe as fans thought, where the hell were he avengers durring this alien attack in a x-men book, or where was spiderman durring that bank robbery in a daredevil book.

or why the city looked fine in the fantastic 4 book but under demon control in a different book

ZeroWolf wrote:I don't think marvel will keep the Amazing movies as part of the series, if they're wanting a new actor, then stands to reason that spidey will leave that past behind.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:those type of things have happened for years in the comics.how many time have we as fans thought, where the hell were he avengers durring this alien attack in a x-men book, or where was spiderman durring that bank robbery in a daredevil book.

or why the city looked fine in the fantastic 4 book but under demon control in a different book

Indeed, it wouldn't be very hard at all to integrate the Amazing films into current continuity, as the alien attack could be glossed over. They barely speak about in the films after the Avengers.

And while I do see why they wouldn't keep the continuity, it would add so much more if they did. I don't know what his role is during the upcoming Captain America film, but if the Civil War is about young heroes and responsibly using their powers, it would be to their advantage to keep the Amazing backstory.

But the ball is in their court so to speak. They could still suprise us and announce a Netflix series if they so wished (though now that I think about it, I would love that) there is also the chatter that the mcu spidey may not be Peter Parker. No evidence of this yet but again only time will tell

ZeroWolf wrote:But the ball is in their court so to speak. They could still suprise us and announce a Netflix series if they so wished (though now that I think about it, I would love that) there is also the chatter that the mcu spidey may not be Peter Parker. No evidence of this yet but again only time will tell

That chatter is wishful thinking based on Marvel and Sony saying that it will be a new Spider-Man and not be connected to the previous movies. Both Marvel and Sony have said however, that it's Peter Parker, further supported by them stating that they won't be making an origin story for Spider-Man, because we all know the story already.

Sure Miles Morales is pretty good, but Peter Parker is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more popular, he's Marvel's money maker. Dimond Comics top 100 sales for January:
http://www.diamondcomics.com/Home/1/1/3 ... eID=159865
Spots 3 and 4 are both held by Amazing Spider-Man 12 and 13 respectively beaten out by Batman and Star Wars. And Miles is as 64, with a fraction of Peter's sales, he's even beaten out by Scarlet Spiders, a limited mini series about Spider-Man clones that only exists for Spider-Verse.
In fact looking at sales numbers, Ultimate Spider-Man lost half its readership after Ultimate Peter died, and has been losing loads of readers as the series goes on.
http://worldofblackheroes.com/2012/02/1 ... s-figures/

Duke of Luns wrote:And while I do see why they wouldn't keep the continuity, it would add so much more if they did. I don't know what his role is during the upcoming Captain America film, but if the Civil War is about young heroes and responsibly using their powers, it would be to their advantage to keep the Amazing backstory.

Civil War isn't about young Heroes and using their powers responsibly, the comic was about Superheroes having a literal war because some wanted to keep their identities a secret and not work as special cops for the government, while the others did want to do that and went as far as killing those who opposed them. Spider-Man's role in that was being guilted into revealing his identity publicly by Iron Man as propaganda for the pro-registration side.
Then he switched sides when the Iron Man and co became pretty fachisty and murdery.

Actually, I can't see how Spider-Man would work in context here, the whole point behind his role in the original was that his identity was the best guarded secret back then, and that his name stood for something. Which isn't true in the MCU, he isn't as big a symbol or a name in it as of yet.

I read today on IGN (would give link but phone is being a pain) that it's been said that mcu spidey is a high schooler (younger than any previous spidey shown in the movies)this time over and confirmed that Andrew garfield is out. I think that pretty much kills the idea of using asm movies.

Dead Metal wrote:[

Duke of Luns wrote:And while I do see why they wouldn't keep the continuity, it would add so much more if they did. I don't know what his role is during the upcoming Captain America film, but if the Civil War is about young heroes and responsibly using their powers, it would be to their advantage to keep the Amazing backstory.

Civil War isn't about young Heroes and using their powers responsibly, the comic was about Superheroes having a literal war because some wanted to keep their identities a secret and not work as special cops for the government, while the others did want to do that and went as far as killing those who opposed them. Spider-Man's role in that was being guilted into revealing his identity publicly by Iron Man as propaganda for the pro-registration side.
Then he switched sides when the Iron Man and co became pretty fachisty and murdery.

Actually, I can't see how Spider-Man would work in context here, the whole point behind his role in the original was that his identity was the best guarded secret back then, and that his name stood for something. Which isn't true in the MCU, he isn't as big a symbol or a name in it as of yet.

I think they stated when the Civil War movie was announce that it wasn't going to be that much about identities, as the movies themselves are hardly about double identities. The only one even close to doing that was the original Iron Man.

And the Civil War was kind of about wanting to train inexperienced heroes, as it did come up. The whole incident was started when the New Warriors recklessly popped in to fight some super villains for their reality show and Nitro blew up a school in Stamford. It's been a good while since I read it, and I did read a few tie in issues, and I think I remember some folks like Spider-Woman specifically went out looking for young heroes to register.

However, since I admittedly haven't read that many more recent comics I might have been mixing the point of Civil War up with Avengers: The Intitive, which I also read. It did come out after Civil War, referenced it a bit, and dealt with training young heroes so another Stamford didn't happen.

Speaking of which, put Butterball in Cap 3! He was one of my favorite characters in the series, even if he only appeared in a few issues.

Duke of Luns wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:[

Duke of Luns wrote:And while I do see why they wouldn't keep the continuity, it would add so much more if they did. I don't know what his role is during the upcoming Captain America film, but if the Civil War is about young heroes and responsibly using their powers, it would be to their advantage to keep the Amazing backstory.

Civil War isn't about young Heroes and using their powers responsibly, the comic was about Superheroes having a literal war because some wanted to keep their identities a secret and not work as special cops for the government, while the others did want to do that and went as far as killing those who opposed them. Spider-Man's role in that was being guilted into revealing his identity publicly by Iron Man as propaganda for the pro-registration side.
Then he switched sides when the Iron Man and co became pretty fachisty and murdery.

Actually, I can't see how Spider-Man would work in context here, the whole point behind his role in the original was that his identity was the best guarded secret back then, and that his name stood for something. Which isn't true in the MCU, he isn't as big a symbol or a name in it as of yet.

I think they stated when the Civil War movie was announce that it wasn't going to be that much about identities, as the movies themselves are hardly about double identities. The only one even close to doing that was the original Iron Man.

And the Civil War was kind of about wanting to train inexperienced heroes, as it did come up. The whole incident was started when the New Warriors recklessly popped in to fight some super villains for their reality show and Nitro blew up a school in Stamford. It's been a good while since I read it, and I did read a few tie in issues, and I think I remember some folks like Spider-Woman specifically went out looking for young heroes to register.

However, since I admittedly haven't read that many more recent comics I might have been mixing the point of Civil War up with Avengers: The Intitive, which I also read. It did come out after Civil War, referenced it a bit, and dealt with training young heroes so another Stamford didn't happen.

Speaking of which, put Butterball in Cap 3! He was one of my favorite characters in the series, even if he only appeared in a few issues.

The New Warriors incident that obliterated all of Stamford, as well as the team, did kick it off, but the concern wasn't inexperienced or young heroes, but registering metahumans. So that if something goes wrong, they would know who to sue and put the blame on. And the tracking down young heroes was just to round up all heroes and get them registered.
And the main event series of Civil War was all about Iron Man hunting down heroes who refused to register, and Captain America fighting in the underground trying to save as many as possible.

They did use the excuse of training young inexperienced heroes later on down the line, but that came after they already hunting down and brutalizing many an opposing hero. And in the main story line it was mostly used to lure out people so they could get the drop on them and the rest of their team.

Granted, it's been years since I read civil war, but I remember it slightly differently. The heroes o my had to register if they wanted to still be heroes. If you didn't want to register, it was fine, just hang up the cape. I remember Justice and Firestar quit rather than register. Ironman and co were hunting down those who refused to register, by kept playing the hero.

I remember being hilariously shocked that people who were typically big proponents of gun control were so against superhuman registration.

Double post. Stupid kindle.

Ironhidensh wrote:Granted, it's been years since I read civil war, but I remember it slightly differently. The heroes o my had to register if they wanted to still be heroes. If you didn't want to register, it was fine, just hang up the cape. I remember Justice and Firestar quit rather than register. Ironman and co were hunting down those who refused to register, by kept playing the hero.

I remember being hilariously shocked that people who were typically big proponents of gun control were so against superhuman registration.

When I originally read Civil War, I read it as subtle commentary on the Patriot Act. But lately I've been thinking about Miller's right-leaning politics, and it makes me wonder if it could also have been influenced by some far-right paranoid fears that the government could one day ask for a list of everyone who owns guns.

I always saw it as logical. Some of the heroes are more powerful than a tactical nuke. Why let them run around free as willy?

Ironhidensh wrote:I always saw it as logical. Some of the heroes are more powerful than a tactical nuke. Why let them run around free as willy?

Because they're never a problem. The sweet irony is that while the Registration act targets superheroes, the actual problem that started it was caused by a supervillain. It's like, if Nitro blew up a small town, and suddenly Spider-Man has to expose his identity to the entire world, which directly puts his family at risk and nearly causes the death of Aunt May.

For Christ's sake there isn't even an analogy for that!

And because aunt may was targeted we had to suffer through one more day and brand new day...There must of been a better way of dealing with things like that.

It Is Him wrote:When I originally read Civil War, I read it as subtle commentary on the Patriot Act. But lately I've been thinking about Miller's right-leaning politics, and it makes me wonder if it could also have been influenced by some far-right paranoid fears that the government could one day ask for a list of everyone who owns guns.

Are you confusing Mark Millar with Frank Miller, here?

Mark Millar, as much as I do not like his writing that much (other than Civil War and Wanted), is a Labour party supporter, left-wing (vaguely) advocate.

Frank Miller (Dark Knight Returns, 300), on the other hand, is definitely leaning towards a more right-wing set of beliefs.

Va'al wrote:

It Is Him wrote:When I originally read Civil War, I read it as subtle commentary on the Patriot Act. But lately I've been thinking about Miller's right-leaning politics, and it makes me wonder if it could also have been influenced by some far-right paranoid fears that the government could one day ask for a list of everyone who owns guns.

Are you confusing Mark Millar with Frank Miller, here?

Mark Millar, as much as I do not like his writing that much (other than Civil War and Wanted), is a Labour party supporter, left-wing (vaguely) advocate.

Frank Miller (Dark Knight Returns, 300), on the other hand, is definitely leaning towards a more right-wing set of beliefs.

Yes, I am confusing them. Thanks!

Most recent Agent Carter...

So they go through all this trouble...for gas that makes people hate and kill each other? Whuuh? That's it? Not as cliche' as a bomb, but it seems a tad underwhelming. What was the original purpose of the gas? At least the warming vest was original. Also, episode before, you need a sniper rifle to relay Morse code? A clever ruse for the viewer, but not very logical.