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MINDVVIPE wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

Megatron Wolf wrote:so it took him over a year to find out what we and every one else on the planet knew 2 years ago?

Except everyone who loved it. You know, $800+ million's worth of moviegoers. Just sayin', ya know?

Yea man, don't you know? so many people loved the movie, so its gota be good. When lots of people like something, thats how you know its good, how else would you know its good?
Lots of people do crack, I bet crack is good for ya too. Time for some crack.

Your post is invalid to the situation at hand.

There, the director said it.

Now can I say it freely, without being accosted?

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

Megatron Wolf wrote:so it took him over a year to find out what we and every one else on the planet knew 2 years ago?

Except everyone who loved it. You know, $800+ million's worth of moviegoers. Just sayin', ya know?

Yea man, don't you know? so many people loved the movie, so its gota be good. When lots of people like something, thats how you know its good, how else would you know its good?
Lots of people do crack, I bet crack is good for ya too. Time for some crack.

When it's a movie you can. Watching a movie isn't going to kill you or cause health problems.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

Megatron Wolf wrote:so it took him over a year to find out what we and every one else on the planet knew 2 years ago?

Except everyone who loved it. You know, $800+ million's worth of moviegoers. Just sayin', ya know?

Yea man, don't you know? so many people loved the movie, so its gota be good. When lots of people like something, thats how you know its good, how else would you know its good?
Lots of people do crack, I bet crack is good for ya too. Time for some crack.

Movies don't earn that much when they're hated. Hated by critics and Transformers fans, sure. But they're in the vast minority. When you keep to a tight circle who all agree it's easy to see that opinion as fact.

Fact is, just because critics (who I gave up on years ago) and most Transformers fans hate it does not mean "everyone hated it." Way more people loved it. I'm sorry if this angers you, but that's just how it is.

And your sarcasm doesn't help your point. I didn't like Avatar, ALOT of people didn't love Avatar. But legions more loved it. I know I'm in the minority there, but I don't deny the fact people still liked it.

Covenant wrote:There, the director said it.

Now can I say it freely, without being accosted?

No.

Covenant wrote:There, the director said it.

Now can I say it freely, without being accosted?

I find those who liked it tend to be the accosted ones.

Clarification: On Transformers forums and "movie buff" forums. I have yet to meet someone irl or off of forums who hates it.

I went to see ROTF three times in the theaters and enjoyed it each time. I admit, I do find myself skipping the entire college scene most times that I watch the movie and wondering how Optimus beats up Megatron in the forest scene, but I still think it's a good movie. I like the first movie better now that I've watched them both many times, and I know the plot isn't really strong in ROTF, but I still think it was fun and entertaining; it does move the overall story along. It could have been better, but it's too late for that and I just like it for what it is. These live-action movies have gotten me back into Transformers after I stopped watching the shows when Energon aired, so they remain one of my favorite branches of Transformers. I'm really excited to see DOTM and hope it turns out to be great; I hope this series can continue with a few more movies!

Wow you guys are taking me waaaay too seriously, haha.
I'm poking fun at the matter of using ticket sales to say a movie is good. Its obviously ALL opinion. There are so many grey areas, like, the people being dimwitted, or going coz they're friends are going, or they just don't listen to critics either and want to find out for themselves since the marketing (trailers) are so awesome. Duh, theres gonna be people all across the board feeling differently. None of this matters at all, all that matters is that Bay comes across like hes made DOTM good. I'm sure he'll have done an awesome job of that when half the world shells out to see it. Will I like it? who the hell knows, I gota see it first. Did i like ROTF? parts. There, now maybe you guys can stop taking me so seriously since I clarified the serious parts.

well atleast he admits it

MINDVVIPE wrote:Wow you guys are taking me waaaay too seriously, haha.
I'm poking fun at the matter of using ticket sales to say a movie is good. Its obviously ALL opinion. There are so many grey areas, like, the people being dimwitted, or going coz they're friends are going, or they just don't listen to critics either and want to find out for themselves since the marketing (trailers) are so awesome. Duh, theres gonna be people all across the board feeling differently. None of this matters at all, all that matters is that Bay comes across like hes made DOTM good. I'm sure he'll have done an awesome job of that when half the world shells out to see it. Will I like it? who the hell knows, I gota see it first. Did i like ROTF? parts. There, now maybe you guys can stop taking me so seriously since I clarified the serious parts.

Heh, yeah gotta apologize to you. I saw your edit to the post saying you weren't being serious AFTER I posted a response.

Sorry, sometimes lack of sleep and caffiene leaves me a little hot headed. That and I don't suffer a fool, which you sounded like (mind you in jest which fine, but I didn't know that).

Capt.Failure wrote:Heh, yeah gotta apologize to you. I saw your edit to the post saying you weren't being serious AFTER I posted a response.

Sorry, sometimes lack of sleep and caffiene leaves me a little hot headed. That and I don't suffer a fool, which you sounded like (mind you in jest which fine, but I didn't know that).

Water under the bridge.

Megatron Wolf wrote: so it took him over a year to find out what we and every one else on the planet knew 2 years ago?.

No, as someone said earlier, $800+ in ticket sales says other wise. People liked it. get over it already.

Megatron Wolf wrote: Only way DOTM could be good is if bay and those morons that currently write tf:prime (can never remember their names, the ones that fraked up star trek) had no hand in the writing or planing of the script. Bays got a decent filming style but his imagination and scripting abilities suck.

If there so damn bad then who should direct any upcoming movies? Who should do the writing? You know what,.. Scap that. Cause no matter who does, people will find something to bitch about. Even when someone attempts to admit their faults, they still call him out and shut him down.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If someone does decide to reboot the movies, i hope its someone like Uwe Boll. Then you'll truly know what a bad director can achieve. Or not achieve

Personally, i liked ROTF. But if Bay can admit that it wasn't as good as it could be, that should be a good thing for everyone. Especially for those that didn't like it. But instead, he gets even more backlash. Makes one wonder why even bother?

Skyfire-5 wrote:Reported for agreeing? Wow that's Sheen-like crazy talk...

It's because when I first started posting here, it was to avoid people who turn and attack those who's opinions differ. By agreeing, you may have well said the same thing he did.

I really thought these forums were better than that. Guess I was wrong.

The only best parts of ROTF was Megan's Lil sexy scene on the bike and the combining scene of devastator. The other thing is that Michael Bay should have incorporated the Transformers theme song somewhere in the movie. That is why these movies feel incomplete to me.

1) Isn't this old news?
2) Isn't front paging this old news mainly going to result in flaming over this topic for the nth time?
*reads over thread* Yup, thought so.

Let's just try to keep a level headed discussion going here guys

Personally, I think it was less than TF1 in terms of overall plot, story, character, involvement, etc. But it kept me on the edge of my seat when it needed to. For that, I appreciate what was accomplished. I don't think ROTF was terrible (I'd give it a B- overall) but obviously it could've been better. The Writer's Strike caused a lot of poor ratings on TV and factored in heavily to ROTF. With Orci and Kurtzman now gone, I'm even more hopeful that it will be better. And, optimistically speaking, I hope that all those who worked on DOTM learned from any mistakes on ROTF, and are truly trying to improve on it. I'm psyched for DOTM, and not much is going to sway me from that.

I'm not sure why people equate paying money with liking something. I paid $6 or $8 (in gift card money) to see ROTF, and I hated it. I paid because I love Transformers and sorely hoped that it might be better than the first Bay movie, which was disappointing. ROTF was actually far worse, which was surprising since my expectations were already low. Then I paid another $10 or $15 (still on the gift card) to see the IMAX version to see if that was at least more visually appealing and if maybe I'd like the movie better the second time. I didn't. I then rented it a third time for $1 to show my brother, and I still didn't like it (and neither did he).

So in all I paid maybe $20 to $25 for something I didn't like no matter how many second chances I gave it. As opposed to paying little to nothing to see many movies I loved--$5 buying a random movie at Blockbuster, $1 at Redbox, nothing at the library. (And yes, I borrowed ROTF from the library recently to see if there were at least some special features I could enjoy. There weren't. I guess they didn't have the special edition disc.)

Bottom line, people can't pay BECAUSE they like a movie if they've never actually seen it. The decision about whether they liked it or not happens after they pay. And undoubtedly there are some other people like me who tried really, really hard to give it a chance it never deserved, and paid multiple times because they like TRANSFORMERS, not because they thought ROTF was a good movie.

P.S.--I also paid to see Kickass because some friends of mine wanted to go out and that's what they wanted to see. Guess what? I hated that movie, too.

amtm wrote:Bottom line, people can't pay BECAUSE they like a movie if they've never actually seen it. The decision about whether they liked it or not happens after they pay. And undoubtedly there are some other people like me who tried really, really hard to give it a chance it never deserved, and paid multiple times because they like TRANSFORMERS, not because they thought ROTF was a good movie.

P.S.--I also paid to see Kickass because some friends of mine wanted to go out and that's what they wanted to see. Guess what? I hated that movie, too.

I'll return to this thread since the troll poster seems to have been removed.

While yes this is a valid arguement, you also have to realise that you can't immediately assume the only reason people saw it over and over was to "give it another try." There is more evidence toward moviegoers liking it (box office results, exit poles, etc) than the claims of it's universal hatered. Just because you had to give it more tries to enjoy it doesn't mean everyone did.

I'd actually wager the non-Transformers fans would fit the bill of "repeated viewings due to enjoyment." You gotta remember, Transformers is at best a fringe fandom in the eyes of the average movie viewer. The non-Transfans didn't see it with expectations of fitting a well established mythos, or with specific ideals of how a character should act or how the plot should progress. Try to view the film's success from a neutral, non-fan standpoint and it's easier to believe.

As for Bay's opinion? Easily grandstanding to drum up positive buzz. It won't help, since critics hate his films regardless other than The Rock. But as with RotF the viewers will determine it's success.

amtm wrote: I'm not sure why people equate paying money with liking something.

Uhh,.. ya. Thats usually how it works in the consumer world.

amtm wrote: I paid $6 or $8 (in gift card money) to see ROTF, and I hated it. I paid because I love Transformers and sorely hoped that it might be better than the first Bay movie, which was disappointing. ROTF was actually far worse, which was surprising since my expectations were already low. Then I paid another $10 or $15 (still on the gift card) to see the IMAX version to see if that was at least more visually appealing and if maybe I'd like the movie better the second time. I didn't. I then rented it a third time for $1 to show my brother, and I still didn't like it (and neither did he).

Ha ha! Man, have to laugh at this. I can understand paying to see it the first time and then coming out not liking it. Thats fair. But then not only did you pay to see it a second time (paying with a gift card is irrelevant since you could have used that gift card for something else that you actually liked. So either way, you wasted your money) but you paid again to see it a third. This isn't fan loyalty, this is stupidity. Sorry. But thats the truth. Just because your a TF fan, doesn't mean you have to like, or force yourself to like anything TF related.

amtm wrote:Bottom line, people can't pay BECAUSE they like a movie if they've never actually seen it. The decision about whether they liked it or not happens after they pay. And undoubtedly there are some other people like me who tried really, really hard to give it a chance it never deserved, and paid multiple times because they like TRANSFORMERS, not because they thought ROTF was a good movie.

Like i said before, i agree that you won't know if your going to like something unless you've seen it. But what are you trying to say? Thousands of people contributed millions repeatedly because they wanted to force themselves to like this movie? Really?? And this is why ROTF has earned as much as it has?? seriously man.... Thanks for the laugh!

I'm impressed! People only rarely come right out and admit the weakness of a movie they made recently. That movie hurt the brain of anyone desiring a coherent plot. Maybe he realizes that by confessing this, he has a chance of bringing these audiences back into the theater. I had not intentions of watching the third movie after seeing the second, but now just maybe...

I enjoy it greatly myself. Wasn't a single movie of 2009 that entertained me more and had me leaving the cinema feeling like I had a whole lot of fun sitting down (I usually can't bear to be sat still for more than 30 minutes at a push)

funny thing is when you read the article carefully bay isnt saying the whole movie is crap, he is saying certain aspects (the mystical theme in particular) didnt work and were "crap" which as it happens i agree...

the movies dont get me so worked up as i have low expectations for them and just look forward to the toy line...

will DOTM be a intellectually and philisophcally enlightining experience? no, not likely. will it be flashy with a bunch of cool robots and explosions? yep count on it.

cmon guys your all taking this much to seriously. its a sci-fi action movie based off a cartoon based off a toyline...
none of this is life changing stuff.
its just light entertainment... about robots...

I think Michael Bay needs to stop using the Writer's Strike as an excuse for ROTF . I think that the re-writes during filming, not to mention the writers' TRYING TOO HARD TO MAKE AN EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, SUPERMAN 2, or WRATH OF KHAN OUT OF ROTF played a HUGE part in what could've been an excellent sequel. If it wasn't for the action, the movie wouldn't have been enjoyable in my eyes. Racist stereotypes aside, the thing they do not understand about TRANSFORMERS is that it's about the F&*^ING ROBOTS and NOT THE HUMANS. Make that the focal point!!! QUOTE ME ON THIS AS WELL: ROTF is less enjoyable when see collagen-lip filled Megan Fox playing a made up, OC or The Hills type of chick who wasn't even humbled by the events of the first movie, and, Sam's sequence where he dies, and meets the Primes. Aside from those scenarios, ROTF could've been so MUCH BETTER as far as storylines are concerned.

Ah, this is hilarious. Just about everyone involved with ROTF has said it's no good, and still all the fanboys and apologists are making excuses for why they are right and everyone else is wrong. Funny stuff. What's even funnier, is while all the ROTF fanboys act like they all some kind of martyrs or something, it's usually the other way around at least on this board. If you don't think the film is absolute perfection, you point out one valid flaw, and prepare to be torn to shreds. Gotta love it, makes for entertaining reading.

shadowynne wrote:funny thing is when you read the article carefully bay isnt saying the whole movie is crap, he is saying certain aspects (the mystical theme in particular) didnt work and were "crap" which as it happens i agree...

So, this is what's it's all about? That was my favorite aspect of the entire movie! It's the reason I liked ROTF so much. That and the score. And of course because of the TF's but that's obvious.

The story was pretty simple: kill Prime, put the blame on Sam, resurrect Prime. Oh, and don't forget to blow @#$% up while doing it. I don't care if people think the movie was crap, or even the director. I still enjoy watching it even if for the fight scenes.