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News Credits: 1 · by **jgilkinson** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:59 pm

and maybe this time we will leave him alone since this one turned out good

by **Crazy Wolf** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:33 pm

Well That's Good To Know!!!

by **Kickback21** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:16 pm

Good points.

I like Singer in that role for how he worked xmen and Spiderman - where the powers were almost secondary to the characters and their development. Historically for a sequel, you almost need to build more of a relationship between characters and also character / audience. I'd like to see the Bumblebee / Sam dynamic in this one - like Sam going on a secret mission / recon with Bumblebee (example).

Maybe I am just speaking for myself, but I looked forward to seeing the Xmens powers because there was a bulit anticipation (example; in Xmen2, the showdown in Boston at Drake's house. You almost were begging to see what you knew what was coming like Pyro's flip out on the police and Wolverine taking a bullet and healing).

You can easily bring in new characters and kill them off (ala Star Wars) but you don't want to go that route. We are seeing this develop from the Decepticon losses. The movies will lose substance and more importantly lose interest. If we can learn anything from the SW prequels: Effects can carry you so far with your fans. Sure, they made a king's randsom off of them, but it like living on bread and water for a month and someone offers you pig's feet. There's a good chance those pig's feet will taste like steak, simply becasue there isn't anything better. (no implied offense to anyone that enjoys pig's feet).

Just a note to who ever takes the helm on the next one: I saw the frist one twice and by the middle of the flick, seeing them transform was no big deal. Effects can carry you so far. Cheap and misplaced comedy is overkill. Get dark and serious, the comedy will take care of itself.

'nuff said

by **Crazy Wolf** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:40 pm

I Just Took That Find Out Witch Transformer U R Quiz & It Say's That Im Red Alert :lol:

by **prowl 4 mvp** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:39 pm

Jen wrote::lol: I Just Took That Find Out Witch Transformer U R Quiz & It Say's That Im Red Alert

Fantastic.
My favourite part about your post was that it didn't say how you wanted them to bring back Jazz for the 14th time.
My least favourite part about your post is that I don't think they'll incorporate 'you as Red Alert' into the TF2 movie, which is the topic of this thread.

by **Crazy Wolf** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:47 pm

prowl 4 mvp KISS MY BUT

by **CJH** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:29 pm

Kickback21 wrote:Good points.

I like Singer in that role for how he worked xmen and Spiderman

Singer didn't work on Spiderman, just X Men and X2. Spiderman trilogy is Sam Raimi.
Also, asides what other people tend to say, Michael Bay is a good choice for something like TF; he knows how to do vehicular action and well... lots and lots of explosions.
Although Bryan Singer is good at doing some of those things, he's best at more human storylines; The Usual Suspects is one of my all time favourite films.

by **Crazy Wolf** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:53 pm

hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm CJH I Just Have To Say That What You Said Is All Very True. :-?

by **Kickback21** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:21 pm

Ack! my bad - I meant to say Superman.

by **Night Raid** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:37 pm

Am I the only one who would be perfectly fine with Michael Bay starting TF2 now?

News Credits: 1452 · by **Blurrz** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:44 pm

Hey, the faster TF2 comes out, the more movie toys there will be.

Actually that's a bad thing, presuming TF1's toys will go down in popularity once the Animated Series comes along. And once the TF2's toys come along, Transfomrers will be hyped again. I just want to see a point in time where Transformers aren't hyped, resulting in a) cheaper prices on Ebay b) less people bidding on Transformers on Ebay and c) less people killing each other for the Animated figures.

News Credits: 5 · by **bumble_bee_68** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:42 am

First-Aid wrote:I've been giving this sequel thing a lot of thought and had some ideas on what they may do with it.

1. The Allspark did initially destroy Megatron's spark, but over time it also regenerated it and merged with him, giving him limited power to create new TF's. The new power is stored in a device in his chest he calls "The Matrix". Once the Autobots discover this, Prime attempts the merger with the remaining shard of the Allspark in his possession. However it fails, forcing them into a direct confrontation for possession of the Matrix.

2. When Megatron followed the Allspark into space, a team of powerful Autobot commandoes- the Dynobots- followed him. They too had problems with the magnetic field of Earth and crashed. They are eventually uncovered by an archeological dig in Utah. Not satisfied scanning the puny vehicles the humans have onsite, they scan into the ground discovered the remains of several dinosaurs and thus are reborn.

3. Scorponok, after his defeat at the hands of the humans, has been in hiding and biding his time. He manages to learn where the 'Cons remains are deposited and eventually links up with Starscream- who has returned with revenge on his mind. The new 'Con commander has brought with some new friends- more than likely the Constructicons- in order to fortify their position on Earth. They rescue and rebuild the damaged 'Cons (who were in fact in stasis lock and not deceased as believed) except Megatron, who Starscream buries in the deep so that he alone may lead. Megs of course comes back to life with the help of the Allspark that has merged with him and the power struggle continues.

4. The "radiation" previously detected by the humans- now called "energon" because of its ability to "energize" inanimate mechanical objects- is identified by Ratchet and a team of human scientists as a form of atom-sized nanomachines. These nanomachines are able to rebuild metal allows by breaking down atoms of any substance and reassembling them into the desired pattern. Ratchet concludes that the Allspark is slowly rebuilding itself, leading to a new race for the Allspark- which is in Sam's possession again; it seems that he had asked for a piece of the Allspark as a souvenir/reminder of the first battle. This also leads to the assumption that Megatron may not be dead.

5. Once the Dyno/Dinobots are reborn, a conflict brews between their leader- Grimlock- and Prime. It seems that Grimlock was passed up for command of the Autobots and he is still nursing a grudge against Optimus. This leads him to a major tactical blunder in a decisive battle, forcing introspective review of himself and his priorities. Grimlock also suffers from speech problems due to a remaining glitch in his system from a previous battle with Megatron.

I think I have too much time on my hands, but I'm curious to hear other thoughts on the topic.

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I like your ideas.
Very well thought out.
Except the Dinobots/Grimlock/Optimus conflict.
Just my 2 cents :grin:

News Credits: 5 · by **bumble_bee_68** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:43 am

First-Aid wrote:I've been giving this sequel thing a lot of thought and had some ideas on what they may do with it.

1. The Allspark did initially destroy Megatron's spark, but over time it also regenerated it and merged with him, giving him limited power to create new TF's. The new power is stored in a device in his chest he calls "The Matrix". Once the Autobots discover this, Prime attempts the merger with the remaining shard of the Allspark in his possession. However it fails, forcing them into a direct confrontation for possession of the Matrix.

2. When Megatron followed the Allspark into space, a team of powerful Autobot commandoes- the Dynobots- followed him. They too had problems with the magnetic field of Earth and crashed. They are eventually uncovered by an archeological dig in Utah. Not satisfied scanning the puny vehicles the humans have onsite, they scan into the ground discovered the remains of several dinosaurs and thus are reborn.

3. Scorponok, after his defeat at the hands of the humans, has been in hiding and biding his time. He manages to learn where the 'Cons remains are deposited and eventually links up with Starscream- who has returned with revenge on his mind. The new 'Con commander has brought with some new friends- more than likely the Constructicons- in order to fortify their position on Earth. They rescue and rebuild the damaged 'Cons (who were in fact in stasis lock and not deceased as believed) except Megatron, who Starscream buries in the deep so that he alone may lead. Megs of course comes back to life with the help of the Allspark that has merged with him and the power struggle continues.

4. The "radiation" previously detected by the humans- now called "energon" because of its ability to "energize" inanimate mechanical objects- is identified by Ratchet and a team of human scientists as a form of atom-sized nanomachines. These nanomachines are able to rebuild metal allows by breaking down atoms of any substance and reassembling them into the desired pattern. Ratchet concludes that the Allspark is slowly rebuilding itself, leading to a new race for the Allspark- which is in Sam's possession again; it seems that he had asked for a piece of the Allspark as a souvenir/reminder of the first battle. This also leads to the assumption that Megatron may not be dead.

5. Once the Dyno/Dinobots are reborn, a conflict brews between their leader- Grimlock- and Prime. It seems that Grimlock was passed up for command of the Autobots and he is still nursing a grudge against Optimus. This leads him to a major tactical blunder in a decisive battle, forcing introspective review of himself and his priorities. Grimlock also suffers from speech problems due to a remaining glitch in his system from a previous battle with Megatron.

I think I have too much time on my hands, but I'm curious to hear other thoughts on the topic.

____________________________________________________________

I like your ideas.
Very well thought out.
Except the Dinobots/Grimlock/Optimus conflict.
Just my 2 cents :grin:

by **Auto Bot** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:11 am

CJH wrote:
Kickback21 wrote:Good points.

I like Singer in that role for how he worked xmen and Spiderman

Singer didn't work on Spiderman, just X Men and X2. Spiderman trilogy is Sam Raimi.
Also, asides what other people tend to say, Michael Bay is a good choice for something like TF; he knows how to do vehicular action and well... lots and lots of explosions.
Although Bryan Singer is good at doing some of those things, he's best at more human storylines; The Usual Suspects is one of my all time favourite films.

Bay is ok for the action scenes. Except, someone has to tell him to zoom out when Prime is transforming. And hire a camera man who's not drunk, so he can hold the camera steady.

But they definitely have to add a co-director to handle interpretations of the story. Bay has no talent with that.

News Credits: 11 · by **Robinson** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 9:11 am

Auto Bot wrote:
CJH wrote:
Kickback21 wrote:Good points.

I like Singer in that role for how he worked xmen and Spiderman

Singer didn't work on Spiderman, just X Men and X2. Spiderman trilogy is Sam Raimi.
Also, asides what other people tend to say, Michael Bay is a good choice for something like TF; he knows how to do vehicular action and well... lots and lots of explosions.
Although Bryan Singer is good at doing some of those things, he's best at more human storylines; The Usual Suspects is one of my all time favourite films.

Bay is ok for the action scenes. Except, someone has to tell him to zoom out when Prime is transforming. And hire a camera man who's not drunk, so he can hold the camera steady.

But they definitely have to add a co-director to handle interpretations of the story. Bay has no talent with that.

In my opinion the story was handled just fine. Every one is going to have different taste and differing views on how Bay "directs" but that doesnt mean he needs someone to go and hold his hand in order to make a movie.