Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:I wouldn't want a re-release of the toyline, I would like new more show accurate toys, preferably favouring the bot mode over the alt-mode.
A proper official prequel by the actual creative team of the show.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
The BotCon "Descent into Evil" story was set in a time period very much like that... except for the notion that its author insists that it takes place in a different continuity.njb902 wrote:id like to see a show/comic of the transition from autobot/decepricon to maximal/predicon.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:The BotCon "Descent into Evil" story was set in a time period very much like that... except for the notion that its author insists that it takes place in a different continuity.njb902 wrote:id like to see a show/comic of the transition from autobot/decepricon to maximal/predicon.
Though, a story like that would have to be handled very carefully since the Beast Wars cartoon doesn't directly follow on after either the G1 cartoon or the Marvel comics. Rather, what we know as "Generation 1" to them is a vague history wrapped in myth and legend, with bits and aspects taken from both, favoring neither over the other.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Yet, to this day, so many are adamant about Beast Wars being in the G1 cartoon continuity.Dead Metal wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The BotCon "Descent into Evil" story was set in a time period very much like that... except for the notion that its author insists that it takes place in a different continuity.njb902 wrote:id like to see a show/comic of the transition from autobot/decepricon to maximal/predicon.
Though, a story like that would have to be handled very carefully since the Beast Wars cartoon doesn't directly follow on after either the G1 cartoon or the Marvel comics. Rather, what we know as "Generation 1" to them is a vague history wrapped in myth and legend, with bits and aspects taken from both, favoring neither over the other.
Which comes from the way they had to research, the fanbase basically not remembering stuff correctly and believing the comics and cartoon to take place in the same universe. After all that was before DVDs, trades, and wikis became widely available.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Yet, to this day, so many are adamant about Beast Wars being in the G1 cartoon continuity.Dead Metal wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The BotCon "Descent into Evil" story was set in a time period very much like that... except for the notion that its author insists that it takes place in a different continuity.njb902 wrote:id like to see a show/comic of the transition from autobot/decepricon to maximal/predicon.
Though, a story like that would have to be handled very carefully since the Beast Wars cartoon doesn't directly follow on after either the G1 cartoon or the Marvel comics. Rather, what we know as "Generation 1" to them is a vague history wrapped in myth and legend, with bits and aspects taken from both, favoring neither over the other.
Which comes from the way they had to research, the fanbase basically not remembering stuff correctly and believing the comics and cartoon to take place in the same universe. After all that was before DVDs, trades, and wikis became widely available.
While this is certainly true for the Japanese dubs of each (FSRLTF and BWSLTF), the English-language Beast Wars cartoon is set in A G1 continuity that is neither the G1 cartoon nor the G1 comics, but a unique one that borrows little elements from both.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
I think most of the G1 info they got came form Ben Yee.Dead Metal wrote:Yes, by accident. Mainframe wanted to tie it into the cartoon canon, but had to rely on information given to them by fans, who then provided them with information from both the cartoon and the comics. Which then lead to the show being set in a weird hybrid of the two.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I think most of the G1 info they got came form Ben Yee.Dead Metal wrote:Yes, by accident. Mainframe wanted to tie it into the cartoon canon, but had to rely on information given to them by fans, who then provided them with information from both the cartoon and the comics. Which then lead to the show being set in a weird hybrid of the two.
Though, at first, Mainframe wanted to make it its own, non-G1 series, with the only clue of it ever being related to any previous Transformers material was a vague mention of something called the "Great War".
It was later in season 1 that elements started being put in to tie back to G1, but the original plan was to make it its own unrelated series. Though, I gotta wonder what it would have been like if Beast Wars really had been carried out as its own continuity family without anything to do with G1. What sort of directions it would have gone without all the callbacks or references, and being something complete autonomous from G1
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Most of them were already dead, as evidenced by the dinosaur fossils scanned by Megatron, Dinobot, and Terrorsaur.Aniformer wrote:The only problem I have with it when I think back on it is no prehistoric animals from four million years ago. You only see a sabertooth once when it attacks BA and SB.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Yet, to this day, so many are adamant about Beast Wars being in the G1 cartoon continuity.Dead Metal wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The BotCon "Descent into Evil" story was set in a time period very much like that... except for the notion that its author insists that it takes place in a different continuity.njb902 wrote:id like to see a show/comic of the transition from autobot/decepricon to maximal/predicon.
Though, a story like that would have to be handled very carefully since the Beast Wars cartoon doesn't directly follow on after either the G1 cartoon or the Marvel comics. Rather, what we know as "Generation 1" to them is a vague history wrapped in myth and legend, with bits and aspects taken from both, favoring neither over the other.
Which comes from the way they had to research, the fanbase basically not remembering stuff correctly and believing the comics and cartoon to take place in the same universe. After all that was before DVDs, trades, and wikis became widely available.
While this is certainly true for the Japanese dubs of each (FSRLTF and BWSLTF), the English-language Beast Wars cartoon is set in A G1 continuity that is neither the G1 cartoon nor the G1 comics, but a unique one that borrows little elements from both.
(FSRLTF and BWSLTF)
Silverwing wrote:Also, I feel compelled to give the obligatory:
One for each year of the Movieverse's decade strong tenure. Here's to a few more explosive years!
Marvel G1 had some alternate timelines that included the events of TF:TM.TulioDude wrote:I kinda disagree.Isnt Starscream ghost a confirmation that the series took place in cartoon continuty?I dont remenber it happening in the comics.
Fight! Super Robot Lifeform TransformersTulioDude wrote:(FSRLTF and BWSLTF)
What does this mean?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Plus, the biggest thing that links BW to Marvel is the Vok, whose only official backstories tie them directly to the Swarm of Marvel G2.
Silverwing wrote:Also, I feel compelled to give the obligatory:
One for each year of the Movieverse's decade strong tenure. Here's to a few more explosive years!
The only ones that were published (and therefore made canonical) were the ones linking them to the Swarm.TulioDude wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Plus, the biggest thing that links BW to Marvel is the Vok, whose only official backstories tie them directly to the Swarm of Marvel G2.
Didn't the creators had more than one version of The Vok origins,though?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Which is why I referred to "published" sources specifically, which interviews do not count as being such.xyl360 wrote:As for the origins of the Vok, they were never given any in the show so I pretty much disregard what was said in interviews with the creators/writers well after the fact, as they've reported other info inaccurately in such interviews, not that I can blame them given how much time had usually passed between them actually working on the show and said interviews etc.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Which is why I referred to "published" sources specifically, which interviews do not count as being such.xyl360 wrote:As for the origins of the Vok, they were never given any in the show so I pretty much disregard what was said in interviews with the creators/writers well after the fact, as they've reported other info inaccurately in such interviews, not that I can blame them given how much time had usually passed between them actually working on the show and said interviews etc.
Three places.xyl360 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Which is why I referred to "published" sources specifically, which interviews do not count as being such.xyl360 wrote:As for the origins of the Vok, they were never given any in the show so I pretty much disregard what was said in interviews with the creators/writers well after the fact, as they've reported other info inaccurately in such interviews, not that I can blame them given how much time had usually passed between them actually working on the show and said interviews etc.
What sources? Where was it said that the Swarm=the Vok?
Vok, The:
Eons ago, Primus created a race of robots, giving them the power of procreation. These early Cybertronians could multiply by a procedure similar to cell division and, as time passed, succeeding generations began to reporduce more rapidly, losing all sense of morality. The rapid reproduction also created a byproduct in the shape of the Swarm, and this force spread through the galaxy with little purpose but to devour all in its path. In time, the Swarm was enlightened by a fragment of Primus' essence, becoming an instrument of creation rather than destruction. The collective guilt felt over the destruction it had caused prompted the Swarm to evolve into the Vok, a collective of species including Cybertronian, human, and a mysterious lizard race inhabiting a far off point in space called "Nexus Zero." The Vok's aim is to find the optimal development path for all the races involved in their origin, especially the Cybertronians.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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