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I do wish Rhinox were more show accurate, but it would be tough to do. The shoulders and chest aren't right and the outsides of his shins/lower legs should have little silver 'teeth' spikes in circular form poking out of them (just like the toy did).

Still, for what he is he looks amazing, and with some paint work and kitbashing, I'm sure I can make him fit in nicely on my Beast Wars shelf (as long as he's not too large to be in scale with Telemocha Optimus Primal that is ).

Waspinator is all win (again, with some needed paint, i.e. the yellow circles on the fronts of his shoulders and the black on his little 'diamond' head crest). I just hope his wings rotate around so that they can be facing up and out Seeker style like he had them most of the time on the show. If I have to butcher the wing flap gimmick to make that happen, so be it.

xyl360 wrote:I do wish Rhinox were more show accurate, but it would be tough to do. The shoulders and chest aren't right and the outsides of his shins/lower legs should have little silver 'teeth' spikes in circular form poking out of them (just like the toy did).

Still, for what he is he looks amazing, and with some paint work and kitbashing, I'm sure I can make him fit in nicely on my Beast Wars shelf (as long as he's not too large to be in scale with Telemocha Optimus Primal that is ).

Waspinator is all win (again, with some needed paint, i.e. the yellow circles on the fronts of his shoulders and the black on his little 'diamond' head crest). I just hope his wings rotate around so that they can be facing up and out Seeker style like he had them most of the time on the show. If I have to butcher the wing flap gimmick to make that happen, so be it.

Didn't notice all that, was more distracted by the weird head, which looks like it was designed from memory instead of reference. Lets hope the stuff you noticed are just side effects of the mistransformation.

Dead Metal wrote:

xyl360 wrote:I do wish Rhinox were more show accurate, but it would be tough to do. The shoulders and chest aren't right and the outsides of his shins/lower legs should have little silver 'teeth' spikes in circular form poking out of them (just like the toy did).

Still, for what he is he looks amazing, and with some paint work and kitbashing, I'm sure I can make him fit in nicely on my Beast Wars shelf (as long as he's not too large to be in scale with Telemocha Optimus Primal that is ).

Waspinator is all win (again, with some needed paint, i.e. the yellow circles on the fronts of his shoulders and the black on his little 'diamond' head crest). I just hope his wings rotate around so that they can be facing up and out Seeker style like he had them most of the time on the show. If I have to butcher the wing flap gimmick to make that happen, so be it.

Didn't notice all that, was more distracted by the weird head, which looks like it was designed from memory instead of reference. Lets hope the stuff you noticed are just side effects of the mistransformation.

Aside from Waspinator's wings, none of that can be due to mistransformation because it's all due to the molded pieces themselves (and paint of course).

I also expect that if Hasbro doesn't get all of the paint details right, that Takara WILL, just as they did with the 10th Anniversary vs Telemocha figures.

I'll likely get both versions though (Hasbro and Takara) just like I did with all of the previous Beast Wars figures. It will give me spare parts for swapping/modding (in case a piece on Hasbro is more accurately painted/colored than a piece on Takara's) plus it will (hopefully) induce Has/Tak to do more Beast Wars like this since more sold=more $.

xyl360 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

xyl360 wrote:I do wish Rhinox were more show accurate, but it would be tough to do. The shoulders and chest aren't right and the outsides of his shins/lower legs should have little silver 'teeth' spikes in circular form poking out of them (just like the toy did).

Still, for what he is he looks amazing, and with some paint work and kitbashing, I'm sure I can make him fit in nicely on my Beast Wars shelf (as long as he's not too large to be in scale with Telemocha Optimus Primal that is ).

Waspinator is all win (again, with some needed paint, i.e. the yellow circles on the fronts of his shoulders and the black on his little 'diamond' head crest). I just hope his wings rotate around so that they can be facing up and out Seeker style like he had them most of the time on the show. If I have to butcher the wing flap gimmick to make that happen, so be it.

Didn't notice all that, was more distracted by the weird head, which looks like it was designed from memory instead of reference. Lets hope the stuff you noticed are just side effects of the mistransformation.

Aside from Waspinator's wings, none of that can be due to mistransformation because it's all due to the molded pieces themselves (and paint of course).

I also expect that if Hasbro doesn't get all of the paint details right, that Takara WILL, just as they did with the 10th Anniversary vs Telemocha figures.

I'll likely get both versions though (Hasbro and Takara) just like I did with all of the previous Beast Wars figures. It will give me spare parts for swapping/modding (in case a piece on Hasbro is more accurately painted/colored than a piece on Takara's) plus it will (hopefully) induce Has/Tak to do more Beast Wars like this since more sold=more $.

Yea just checked the chest is something that can't be helped as are the shoulders and the waist, however, I think he might still have the spikes on his legs, he feet seem to be on backwards and there are a couple of cracks here and there, so maybe there's a panel that's not been flipped. But then again it might just be wishful thinking.
Yea, I think I'll only get the Takara one.

This is exactly why I'm going to hold off on getting Rhinox and Waspinator and wait to see what TakaraTomy is going to do with these figures, and then go for the most show-accurate option.

xyl360 wrote:I do wish Rhinox were more show accurate, but it would be tough to do. The shoulders and chest aren't right and the outsides of his shins/lower legs should have little silver 'teeth' spikes in circular form poking out of them (just like the toy did).

You forgot the hands and feet, they're not show accurate either

Lol, and suddenly I'm not that sure about buying Rhinox anymore.

So what we need is a 3rd Party to redo

• head
• hands
• shoulders
• lower legs (feet and spikes
• give him his skirt
• flowers to smell

Don't think anything can be done about the chest though.

Rhinox still looks bloody awesome. He's at least as show accurate as a lot of BW toys.

So it's agreed that Rhinox and Waspinator are perfect? Good, I'm glad we're not picking on petty details that might have had to be sacrificed in order to prevent him a kibbletastic nightmare.

RAcast wrote:So it's agreed that Rhinox and Waspinator are perfect? Good, I'm glad we're not picking on petty details that might have had to be sacrificed in order to prevent him a kibbletastic nightmare.

they're both plenty good enough to get my money, thats for sure.

craggy wrote:

RAcast wrote:So it's agreed that Rhinox and Waspinator are perfect? Good, I'm glad we're not picking on petty details that might have had to be sacrificed in order to prevent him a kibbletastic nightmare.

they're both plenty good enough to get my money, thats for sure.

They are bought on sight as far as I'm concerned! Couldn't care less about the few not-so-show accurate parts.

Well, I for one have waited 17 years for a Rhinox and Waspinator that faithfully reflected the appearances of the cartoon characters I have come to be so fond of over the years. Until recently, I was content with going after the Beast Wars Telemocha Series Rhinox and Waspeeter (got the latter, still looking for the former). But now that there looks to be a more fruitful alternative for both in the form of the Generations Thrilling 30 toys, and possibly an even greater one should TakaraTomy champion Hasbro's decos, I am willing to have the patience needed to see what TakaraTomy dishes out for these figures before rushing out to get what could potentially not be the highest caliber of visual representation for these two beloved characters.

Arctorro wrote:

xyl360 wrote:I do wish Rhinox were more show accurate, but it would be tough to do. The shoulders and chest aren't right and the outsides of his shins/lower legs should have little silver 'teeth' spikes in circular form poking out of them (just like the toy did).

You forgot the hands and feet, they're not show accurate either

Actually, they're pretty darn close, or at least much closer than on the original toy IMO.

Regardless of the flaws, these are still some of the best looking Beast Wars figures we've ever gotten (but that Telemocha Optimus Primal still trumps all for show-accurate perfection ).

xyl360 wrote:(but that Telemocha Optimus Primal still trumps all for show-accurate perfection ).

And I am so glad I was able to find and buy one at BotCon this year.

6 Telemocha toys down, 9 to go.

Sabrblade wrote:

xyl360 wrote:(but that Telemocha Optimus Primal still trumps all for show-accurate perfection ).

And I am so glad I was able to find and buy one at BotCon this year.

6 Telemocha toys down, 9 to go.

Well done! He's a real gem !

I have all of them except for Archadis. I haven't tried too hard to track him down though, as I've got every other version of the mold already (that Beast Machines deco is NICE) but I just know that the Beast Wars repaint completest in me won't let it slip forever .

Those simplified transformers for the prime line are horrible. They look like really bad Chinese KO's. Seriously. If this is the future of TF's then I'm out.

Loving Skids but he looks more like a Cybertronian car than earth car. Don't care much for the Beast Wars figures, but I am happy for the fans. They have only got one good release in the "CHUG" line so it is long overdue. Not sure why they are doing an Armada Starscream. That one sticks out like a sore thumb. But hey, it is "generations" right? Good to see Hasbro playing all sides of the continuities. A little bit for everyone. Even the Classics fans get something with the Voyager Whirl. Overall a pretty good reveal.

I do wonder if the Skywarp will be the FOC/WFC design. I created my own and when I saw his name I thought, oh well. Repurpose to Acid Storm....

shockblast2 wrote:I do wonder if the Skywarp will be the FOC/WFC design.

I believe he is based on the WFC/FOC design. I wouldn't imagine making Starscream and Thundercracker that are based on WFC/FOC, but make Skywarp a different design.

But, since we are getting Armada Starscream, I wonder if we'll get a Thundercracker and a Skywarp (with retooled head, as Armada Skywarp traditionally had a completely different head). Probably not in the same line, but it's an interesting thought.

shockblast2 wrote:I do wonder if the Skywarp will be the FOC/WFC design.

It is. They showed us a pic of the prototype at BotCon, and so it'll be another redeco of the Generations FOC Deluxe Starscream toy.

What's cool about ALL of these new Deluxes, including the two Beast Wars toys and Armada Starscream, is that every single one of them will tie into IDW's new Dark Cybertron story arc, and will each include a chapter from it. It's gonna be awesome seeing all these diverse characters interacting with each other in the story.

That is good to know. I actually thought about trying to custom one of the three conehead seekers from the FOC Starscream mold. How did Whirl look? I don't collect Classics/Universe figures, but I mght pick it up because he is an interesting looking character.
I think that is a weird idea to have all these different continuities interact in the comics. So FOC/IDW Starscream will interact with Armada Starscream?
The only thing i truly was suprised by was the fact that yet again Arcee gets the shaft? Why? Doesn't make sense to skip her again.
One more question, are bot shots getting the proverbial boot? No reveals at Botcon?

shockblast2 wrote:I think that is a weird idea to have all these different continuities interact in the comics. So FOC/IDW Starscream will interact with Armada Starscream?

On the contrary. The story is all set in the IDW continuity, and will present all the characters as residents of it. Waspinator has been a resident of the IDW continuity since "Spotlight: Thundercracker", and returned to the foreground in issue #19 of RID.



As for the Armada Starscream toy, it's possible that it could be used as a new body upgrade for the existing Starscream character instead of being a new guy with the same name.

shockblast2 wrote:One more question, are bot shots getting the proverbial boot? No reveals at Botcon?

Not sure. Though they didn't reveal anything at BotCon, the Bot Shots logo was included in the slideshow slide that listed a general overview of all Hasbro TF lines continuing throughout the year.

SDCC is just around the corner, though, so there might be reveals made there, since SDCC has lately become the place for Hasbro to make more reveals than at BotCon.

Sabrblade wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:I do wonder if the Skywarp will be the FOC/WFC design.

It is. They showed us a pic of the prototype at BotCon, and so it'll be another redeco of the Generations FOC Deluxe Starscream toy.

What's cool about ALL of these new Deluxes, including the two Beast Wars toys and Armada Starscream, is that every single one of them will tie into IDW's new Dark Cybertron story arc, and will each include a chapter from it. It's gonna be awesome seeing all these diverse characters interacting with each other in the story.

Wait, they all tie in? As in they each come with a comic that will also see retail release, or with an exclusive toy only comic that is also part of the main continuity?

And yes I do hope Skywarp gets made fromt hat mold, with his own head, legs and mini-con, he looked awesome and I always wanted him.

Dead Metal wrote:Wait, they all tie in? As in they each come with a comic that will also see retail release, or with an exclusive toy only comic that is also part of the main continuity?

It's the same case as with the current Deluxes coming with Spotlight issues. Each toy will come with a Dark Cybertron issue of MTMTE or RID.

Body upgrade? They do that in the comics? Weird. I read one instance of that in the Aligned continutiy with Breakdown and in G1 (supposedly) with Ultra Magnus, which I never bought that excuse. Of course, Hasbro did that to make use of the Optimus Prime mold rather than paying for a new one. But I digress. Does it happen often in the comics? If so, I don't think I like that kind of idea. It would appear to exist just to justify reusing molds for characters in the toy lines. For as much as we are paying for them they need to give us no more than one repaint of a mold. With a few exceptions, like Starscream. Of course, the comic books continuites have always been fickle, save the original Marvel run in the 80's.

I am wagering that Bot Shots will be cancelled. Every big box store we have here in IN is closing them out, except the singles. Launchers, the track set, and the three packs are being replaced. And at Walmart they closed out even the singles. If Hasbro has not offically canceleed the line yet I bet they will. W/O Target and Walmart support they will not be profitable enough to carry it on. We also saw some reveals over 5 months ago with the third wave consisting of Hound, Grapple (or Inferno as Hasbro dubbed it), and a few others. And the final three packs will have a blantanly colored Optimus dubbed Ultra Magnus. Which is just lazy on their part. They didn't even try to color it right, along with the Grapple/Inferno mess. I collect these for my sons and the line was great until we got our seventh Bumblebee and fifth Optimus. And I think that is why it will die out. Because they lack variety. Over half of the 80+ figures they released are doubles of characters. With no reveals at Botcon I bet that 2013 is the final year for them. You say you saw the emblem on their products running thru 2013. But with no 2014 reveals like we got with all other lines I would wager they are done.

shockblast2 wrote:Body upgrade? They do that in the comics? Weird.

Look at how many bodies Bumblebee has gone through:



And that isn't the extent of it.

shockblast2 wrote:I read one instance of that in the Aligned continutiy with Breakdown and in G1 (supposedly) with Ultra Magnus, which I never bought that excuse. Of course, Hasbro did that to make use of the Optimus Prime mold rather than paying for a new one. But I digress. Does it happen often in the comics? If so, I don't think I like that kind of idea. It would appear to exist just to justify reusing molds for characters in the toy lines. For as much as we are paying for them they need to give us no more than one repaint of a mold. With a few exceptions, like Starscream. Of course, the comic books continuites have always been fickle, save the original Marvel run in the 80's.

[/quote]For years, it was done with little-to-no regard for any toys, and was just done for either technical or storytelling purposes. Until recently, only a handful of times had the characters upgraded because of toys.

shockblast2 wrote:Body upgrade? They do that in the comics? Weird. I read one instance of that in the Aligned continutiy with Breakdown and in G1 (supposedly) with Ultra Magnus, which I never bought that excuse. Of course, Hasbro did that to make use of the Optimus Prime mold rather than paying for a new one. But I digress. Does it happen often in the comics? If so, I don't think I like that kind of idea. It would appear to exist just to justify reusing molds for characters in the toy lines. For as much as we are paying for them they need to give us no more than one repaint of a mold. With a few exceptions, like Starscream.

Yes it happens often, in the idw comics Starscream has already had 5, Megatron even more than that, and no most of those are comic exclusive and have nothing to do with selling toys. The Marvel comics where the ones where they used new toys and toy designs, be it for new characters or new bodies, since those where made to sell toys and not stories like today.

Of course, the comic books continuites have always been fickle, save the original Marvel run in the 80's.