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Gauntlet101010 wrote:While it doesn't do anything for me, the latest reveal is actually pretty neat for all the reasons Seibs already stated. It has a large, 100% new mould as the shell and homages an unused concept from decades ago. That's actually pretty neat and goes above and beyond anything they've done before. It's not for me, but it's a really nice effort on Fun Pub's part.
JazZeke wrote:Tsutsukakushi wrote:Think, Had the mecha gorilla pretender shell been fully articulated it would have been worth buying. With almost no articulation, it's a easy pass.
Think this is the way PWTT needed to design their pretender toys. With just creating fully articulated pretender shells. then using HasTak Legends class toys to fit inside the shells.
Yeah, that's what kills this for me, too. I actually LIKE the concept of Pretenders, it's just the execution that's a huge let-down. I had hoped that when Hasbro eventually revisited the concept (as they've been working their way through the old gimmicks in the Generations line), we would get a Pretender shell with some actual articulation, not yet another bulky, hollow brick that just stands there, looking the opposite of intimidating.
shajaki wrote:Something that boggles me is comments like:
"yay we're getting a previously unreleased (Japanese) mold!"
In the age of the internet, acquiring a Takara product is not difficult. The average webstore price for that Arms Micron Breakdown was 60 bucks, so I assume stores like HLJ were even better. So now we get a Botcon variant, which loose on eBay I bet will run a minimum of $90. People complain about missing out on specific "molds" while they're certainly attainable, and cheer when a more expensive option (and as a matter of fact, NOT that easily attainable) comes around.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
That's the appeal of this set. The story for this year's comic is taking us readers back to the one place where characters from all sorts of continuities are supposed to mingle with each other: Axiom Nexus.Rated X wrote:I think where Funpub failed most with this entire set was the random mixture of continuities. You got Beast Wars, Shattered Glass, DOTM, G1 CHUG, and Vintage G1 with a CHUG inside it.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Seibertron wrote:JazZeke wrote:Tsutsukakushi wrote:Think, Had the mecha gorilla pretender shell been fully articulated it would have been worth buying. With almost no articulation, it's a easy pass.
Think this is the way PWTT needed to design their pretender toys. With just creating fully articulated pretender shells. then using HasTak Legends class toys to fit inside the shells.
Yeah, that's what kills this for me, too. I actually LIKE the concept of Pretenders, it's just the execution that's a huge let-down. I had hoped that when Hasbro eventually revisited the concept (as they've been working their way through the old gimmicks in the Generations line), we would get a Pretender shell with some actual articulation, not yet another bulky, hollow brick that just stands there, looking the opposite of intimidating.
But this isn't Hasbro revisiting the concept. This is Fun Publications. If Hasbro revisits the concept, I'm sure it will take the concept to the next level.
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Back to my conversation with Jerry, he asked me "Why Pretenders?" I told him it was because of a few different reasons ... it's my favorite concept, it hasn't been revisited by Hasbro, 3rd parties haven't touched them yet and I'd really like to see what Hasbro could do with the concept 27 years later. Articulated, well sculpted Pretenders with awesome Transformers inside (or even Legends Class sized Pretender robots) would be really great to see. My biggest concern with Fun Pub doing Oilmaster is showing a larger interest in Pretenders to 3rd party companies. I really wanted to see Hasbro knock them out of the park by doing them properly before 3rd party companies had the chance but now it'll be interesting to see who comes out with what first.
Seibertron wrote:shajaki wrote:Something that boggles me is comments like:
"yay we're getting a previously unreleased (Japanese) mold!"
In the age of the internet, acquiring a Takara product is not difficult. The average webstore price for that Arms Micron Breakdown was 60 bucks, so I assume stores like HLJ were even better. So now we get a Botcon variant, which loose on eBay I bet will run a minimum of $90. People complain about missing out on specific "molds" while they're certainly attainable, and cheer when a more expensive option (and as a matter of fact, NOT that easily attainable) comes around.
I 100% agree. Does anyone really collect something because they want to have a particular mold for the first time? If they do, Arms Micron Swerve is the cheap alternative. $44.86 shipped on Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-AM-17-Autobot-Figure-Swerve/dp/B008KIMZUM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1430190971&sr=8-1&keywords=am-17+swerve
Sabrblade wrote:That's the appeal of this set. The story for this year's comic is taking us readers back to the one place where characters from all sorts of continuities are supposed to mingle with each other: Axiom Nexus.Rated X wrote:I think where Funpub failed most with this entire set was the random mixture of continuities. You got Beast Wars, Shattered Glass, DOTM, G1 CHUG, and Vintage G1 with a CHUG inside it.
Some of the best stories the Club has ever told have been set there, and three stories in particular stand out that didn't promote any Club toys, but instead starred some old G1 dudes in one, an old G2 dude in another, and a set of old e-HOBBY G1 dudes in another. And also featured many non-toy characters, along with many other mass retail toy characters as well.
This year's set is supposed to be a hodgepodge of characters from different continuities because of the nature of the story the Club wants to tell.
Rated X wrote:I never knew about that. But to be honest its just another way to link things that don't really belong together to create a sales pitch. Kind of like the Aligned Continuity. Some people are such suckers for any storyline as long as its official. If I get a job with Funpub tomorrow and create my own wacky box set and story to go with it, there's going to be a small group of fans out there who will buy anything. Thats why Shattered Glass exists.
All Club fiction is not created equal.Tsutsukakushi wrote:Don't see what the big fuss is all about with these Botcon toys. Paying Five to Six times more for a repaint with maybe a new head is laughable at best. Read some of the club comics and it's the worse written comics I've ever read.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Rated X wrote:I never knew about that. But to be honest its just another way to link things that don't really belong together to create a sales pitch.
Rated X wrote:But to be honest its just another way to link things that don't really belong together to create a sales pitch. Kind of like the Aligned Continuity.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:I'm confused, were double Pretenders supposed to be different from the Pretenders who had shells that could transform and combine with the inner robot?
As the name implies, Double Pretenders were supposed to have not one, but two robots inside the Shell. We don't really know what the robots themselves were supposed to do because we have no prototypes or even design sheets for them: only the Shell seems to have made to the hard copy stage.
That's the reason why "Oilmaster" is two figures instead of one, three if you count the Shell. In fact, the main conscience is split among the three according to bio, akin to G1 Optimus Prime's Marvel bio.
Nope. The inner bots never made it past the planning stage. The outer shell was made, but it was just a prototype.chuckdawg1999 wrote:Ok so we NEVER got double Pretenders? Just wanna make sure because I really liked Pretenders back in the day.
I just wanted to quote this because those stories were 2 of my favorites from the Marvel Comics, my "bible," if you will, when it comes to the franchise. I do wish there was a Pretenders-only oriented BotCon sometime soon, where we get updated G1 Pretender figures in the set and its accompanying exclusives, but I don't think Oilmaster comes even close.Seibertron wrote:The Pretender concept was initially really well played up and with Skullgrin, Landmine and Cloudburst all getting stand alone stories, I was really hooked. Even moreso when they used the concept to revive 4 "dead" Transformers via the Pretender Classics (Starscream, Grimlock, Jazz, and Bumblebee).
Rodimus Prime wrote: I do wish there was a Pretenders-only oriented BotCon sometime soon, where we get updated G1 Pretender figures in the set and its accompanying exclusives, but I don't think Oilmaster comes even close.
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
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