It's not Starscream though. If it is real, and I'm inclined to think it is, it really is a "heroic" Jetfire.
Why? Because SOMEONE had to break the mold of "good is evil and evil is good simplicity."
Why else? Because the box set comes with a mini-con called Razorclaw. And the general consensus is that it means we're getting a repainted ARMADA Starscream with a repainted Swindle.
It's Jetfire and it's an add-on. Let the hue and cry begin.
rhinox555 wrote:the minicon is gonna be a redeco of classics Razorclaw,not swindle.
The minicon will suck,but this screamer looks nice,could use some more paint apps though.
Superfirerollbar wrote:Now in Starscream's case - why does he look like Jetfire? Because in many ways, Jetfire was one of his arch enemies. There are few enemies 'worse' than one that was once your friend. Plus, we liked the idea of switching SS from being this power hungry 'con lieutenant to a loyal, scientifically minded lieutenant. The comments that Starscream looks 'too much like Jetfire' mystify me since...well...that's the *point*."
mr.terrific wrote:Quoting Rhinox555: "When will you guys learn,this is the Heroic starscream botcon will get,the same leak-out happened with alpha trion,the minicon is gonna be a redeco of classics Razorclaw,not swindle.
The minicon will suck,but this screamer looks nice,could use some more paint apps though."
Let's look at the facts.
* There is a mini-con, named Razorclaw, that comes with the Convention set.
* The only botcon figure not yet seen is Starscream.
* None of the other four characters come with a mini-con.
* The likelihood that a single mini-con bonus will be produced for the Botcon set is infinitesimal.
Ergo, logic dictates that the only way a mini-con will end up in the box is to accompany the only figure that has not yet been previewed - Starscream.
The only Starscream mold that comes with a mini-con is Armada Starscream, who comes with Swindle. Not Cybertron Starscream, that does not have a mini-con.
And since the paint applications of Goldbug and Jazz have been so faithful thus far, ergo, it is logical to assume that this is in fact heroic Jetfire, and not a pale version of Starscream that "could use some more paint app" to quote Rhinox555.
Furthermore, it is logical that Swindle will be repainted into Razorclaw. Not logical from a fandom, wankfest perspective, but logical from a cost-benefit analysis perspective. The Swindle mold is part of the Armada Starscream mold. If it doesn't get used, it gets thrown away.
And the likelihood that the Club or Hasbro will take that action, in order to substitute Classics Overbite or Classics Snarl as the mini-con in the set (the only two possible contenders that would bear any resemblance to the G1 Razorclaw we know and love) is again infinitesimal.
Sorry Rhinox555. You're wrong on this one.
rhinox555 wrote:Okay,so you say the colors have been g1 faithful so far? prime is not supposed to be purple,grimlock can be considered g2-ish,and goldbug was all gold,he is black now with some gold apps. so that point you mention does not make sense,second:Jetfire isn't a decepticon,third,razorclaw is definately gonna be an animal minicon,a Formula-1 racecar is never gonna be called razorclaw,fourth,the jetfire-ish color is an HOMAGE to his old friend,if you think hasbro would never-ever-ever homage something then...well...wow dude.
And finally:You think botcon would never use a minicon that didn't belong to the toy it attaches to? they did the same thing with the beast wars timelines set,
I respect your opinion though,but if i turn out to be right,i'm gonna send you some "told you so" messages.
mr.terrific wrote:
I'll take the ribbing if I'm wrong and drink the admiration of the community when I'm right.
Counterpunch wrote:Well, we have some confirmation that it is indeed Starscream:
Superfirerollbar wrote:Now in Starscream's case - why does he look like Jetfire? Because in many ways, Jetfire was one of his arch enemies. There are few enemies 'worse' than one that was once your friend. Plus, we liked the idea of switching SS from being this power hungry 'con lieutenant to a loyal, scientifically minded lieutenant. The comments that Starscream looks 'too much like Jetfire' mystify me since...well...that's the *point*."
mr.terrific wrote:rhinox555 wrote:Okay,so you say the colors have been g1 faithful so far? prime is not supposed to be purple,grimlock can be considered g2-ish,and goldbug was all gold,he is black now with some gold apps. so that point you mention does not make sense,second:Jetfire isn't a decepticon,third,razorclaw is definately gonna be an animal minicon,a Formula-1 racecar is never gonna be called razorclaw,fourth,the jetfire-ish color is an HOMAGE to his old friend,if you think hasbro would never-ever-ever homage something then...well...wow dude.
And finally:You think botcon would never use a minicon that didn't belong to the toy it attaches to? they did the same thing with the beast wars timelines set,
I respect your opinion though,but if i turn out to be right,i'm gonna send you some "told you so" messages.
Let me go through your comments:
First, what I said was the "paint applications of Goldbug and Jazz have been so faithful thus far". Point taken on the black stipes on Goldbug, but the head and colouring otherwise is faithful, and there is no arguing about Jazz. I actually didn't make the comment about Grimlock or Prime (mainly because to have accurate G1 paints would make them identical to what is currently available).
Second, Jetfire was a Decepticon, if however briefly, in both cartoon, Marvel and Dreamwave and IDW lore. To different degrees, time periods, and always somewhat uncomfortable, Jetfire nonetheless wore the badge of the Decepticons nonetheless. Not only that but his remaining a heroic Decepticon actually adds some real colour to an otherwise simplistic "good = bad and bad = good" plotline. Because a mirror-verse is not always about absolutes but sometimes about shades. But I digress.
Third, there is no guarantee that Razorclaw will be an animal. He wasn't always an animal and his transformation is not in stone. If Optimus and Megatron can be G2 gobots at one point in their history, and Soundwave and Blaster can become futuristic jets for Cybertron and Universe respectively (to say nothing of Soundwave's BW mutant form) then anything is possible. Even the club made Riccochet (previously a car) into a Cyberjet, and gave Laserbeak and Buzzsaw robotic forms. Would it make sense for him to be one of the animal minicons? Yes. Is it guaranteed? Nope!
Fourth, while it is possible it could be a recolour in honour of a fallen comrade, it is unlikely. And given the colours of Jazz and Bumblebee as examples, why would the club risk the confusion when it wouldn't be difficult to add the blue?
And finally, you mention this mini-con that Botcon used for the Beast Wars Timeline series. Which mini-con do you mean? Do you mean the one that doesn't exist? Because there was not a mini-con with Primal, Rhinox, Rattrap, Cheetor, Rhinox, Unit 2/Tigatron, Megatron, Waspinator, Laserbeak or Buzzsaw (or Airrazor either). And since it doesn't exist, your point is moot. But please correct me on the Beast Wars timeline mini-con if I'm overlooking it...
I'll take the ribbing if I'm wrong and drink the admiration of the community when I'm right.
tigertracks 24 wrote:#1) This is the club...
#2) Did you read Counterpunch's last statement at all?Counterpunch wrote:Well, we have some confirmation that it is indeed Starscream:
Superfirerollbar wrote:Now in Starscream's case - why does he look like Jetfire? Because in many ways, Jetfire was one of his arch enemies. There are few enemies 'worse' than one that was once your friend. Plus, we liked the idea of switching SS from being this power hungry 'con lieutenant to a loyal, scientifically minded lieutenant. The comments that Starscream looks 'too much like Jetfire' mystify me since...well...that's the *point*."
#3) It has RED DECEPTICON logos on the wings. All of the Autobots have had PURPLE bot symbols. This is Starscream because the source for the set when the rumors came out has been right about every single one he has said, including paint schemes. This was on his list.
#4) Add On sets are rumored to be Evil Goatee Rodimus set, and then an Energon Megatron repaint as the second. No Jetfire.
Truthfully none of us will know for sure what this is until Botcon tells us.
This is interesting, and worth the purchase no matter who the character ends up being.
rhinox555 wrote:That means only half of the figures so far have been g1-ish.
rhinox555 wrote:And who better to homage when in need of autobot colors,than jetfire? the autobot former friend of starscream?
rhinox555 wrote:And for timelines,they used a cyber planet key that didn't come with any of the included molds.rhinox555 wrote:And finally:You think botcon would never use a minicon that didn't belong to the toy it attaches to? they did the same thing with the beast wars timelines set,
rhinox555 wrote:And the club laserbeak/buzzsaw's were inspired by Agent Ravage,rebuilt as predacons with botmodes. they still had a bird mode though.
mr.terrific wrote:3. OMG! Red Decepticon logos! And the guy running for Jesus said so! Then it must be true!
Blackstreak wrote:Well, I believe it now. That is the Shattered Glass Starscream. But I'm still not paying THAT much for him. I'd get the entire set for that much money including the shipping costs.
Auto Bot wrote:At least change the face.
mr.terrific wrote:There is a certain attractiveness to my well-argued theory. But at the end of the day, no matter the logic, it is a theory. I accept that I could be wrong. But I do maintain that if I am wrong, if this beautifully-logical argument I have put forward turns out to be simply a logical being arguing against the chaos of the irrational, the concept of a Starscream figure wearing Jetfire colours will truly be a disappointment. And really quite lame.
mr.terrific wrote:I'll take the ribbing if I'm wrong and drink the admiration of the community when I'm right.
Starscream wrote:
So who feels like a putz now? Or will there be no more responses in this thread?
Starscream wrote:That's what I thought
Counterpunch wrote:mr.terrific wrote:3. OMG! Red Decepticon logos! And the guy running for Jesus said so! Then it must be true!
You have a problem with me?
Counterpunch wrote:Did I win 'Jesus' yet?
rhinox555 wrote:When will you guys learn
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