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Shadowman wrote:

Sonray wrote:Yes i have, and was any of those games on the Xbox? No. Did any of them pioneer and perfect online console gaming that we have on every (well nearly every) console today? No.

OH! I get it, so it's only a "real" game if it's on Xbox?

Good for you, you're opinion is no longer valid. (Actually, Bioshock was on the 360)

EDIT: ANd just so you know, I never did online with consoles. I never trust a service that makes me pay $15/month for a game I already paid for.

Oddly enough, Wii has online for free.

Yeah, good for you being able to access the weather channel for free! You get what you pay for, and like Playstation network it sucks. At least Xbox live you get a QUALITY service.

BTW i was referring to Halo as not being the be all end all of FPS shooters, but i was saying that it has revolutionised the FPS genre in the past gen and current gen, and opened up the world to online console gaming as it was the forerunner game on the xbox that showed everyone how awesome xbl was. Hence why it was so popular and THAT is what i was referring to. It set the benchmark, i know all about goldeneye and all that stuff, i aint no noob to gaming mr piss player.

But according to you games are only "real" if its a kids game and uses stupid motion sensing gimmicks so your opinion was hardly valid to begin with anyway.

Enjoy the weather channel, im off to play with 16 other players on Halo 3.

I really could care less that xbox revolutionized on-line "Console" gaming. It didn't revolutionize on-line gaming, not by a long shot!

The 360 is a joke. Other than Halo 3 and Gears of War, all you have is a bunch of PC ports, that play like ass in comparison to the PC versions, and of course on the PC versions you can get on-line for free. whats that, oh yeah Gears of War comes out for PC this christmas. Guess the only real reason to even buy a 360 is Halo 3, but you can get Halo: combat evolved for PC or original X-box, and it owns Halo 3 anyway.

There is no reason to really own an Xbox. My primary reason for fixing mine is to get the HD DVD drive so I can have an HD DVD player. I'm sure after I get it up and running it'll be a new stylish DVD player for my living pretty quick, as there really are NO games what-so-ever on it that I can't get a better version of for the PC

Sonray wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Shadowman wrote:You're right, Halo is bland enough as it is, why give it any sort of innovation?

Obviously you've never played the game. I like how people can still try to rip on Halo despite its runaway success. $300 million in the first week for Halo 3, 360 sales jumped upwards after its release because of people buying the system JUST for that game, yet people with no taste still try to say its "crap" or "not innovative". I tell you what aint innovative, the Wii. lol: http://competition.futurenet.com/t3awards/?result=19

Oh, I did. I played the first two, and, honestly, the third one doesn't interest me. At all. Halo 1 and 2 were just the same **** over and over. And over. And over. And Halo 3 REALLY doesn't look too much different.

Now,if they could add something totally kick-ass-awesome, like the Gravity Gun or the Portal Gun, or even puzzle solving elements like in Half-Life 2 or Metroid Prime (Something to work the brain, other than,"How do I get past this? oh, right, shoot him"), hell, even a REAL Boss Battle. Those closest Halo came was Regret, and he was too much of a pushover.

So you rather have a poor game that relies on over-complicated gimmicks that just copy the breakthrough enviroment manipulation elements of Half Life 2 from 3 years ago then have a good old fashioned but epic series of games like Halo that take gaming back to its simplest and best roots whilst breaking new ground both in sales and in technical terms?

Cool...you should be just happy in the background with the "girls console" in that case.

Oh and FYI, Halo isnt at all easy, 'specially once the flood turn up or you have to battle a scarab in Halo 3, or go mano-e-mano with a brute wielding a gravity hammer on legendary mode.

If you want tactics, go play Gears Of War...oh wait...the Wii cant run that game can it? I guess you will have to stick with the 100th Mario game then.

I have to say, I'd have to stick with the Mario game.

Anyway if Bungie is going to develop for other consoles, I'd really like to see them team with Activision (who currently owns the rights for James Bond) and make a brand new exclusive James Bond Game for Wii. Maybe a new updated goldeneye with full speech, redesigned levels, updated controls for the Wii, and updated multiplayer.

Cormaster628 wrote:I really could care less that xbox revolutionized on-line "Console" gaming. It didn't revolutionize on-line gaming, not by a long shot!

The 360 is a joke. Other than Halo 3 and Gears of War, all you have is a bunch of PC ports, that play like ass in comparison to the PC versions, and of course on the PC versions you can get on-line for free. whats that, oh yeah Gears of War comes out for PC this christmas. Guess the only real reason to even buy a 360 is Halo 3, but you can get Halo: combat evolved for PC or original X-box, and it owns Halo 3 anyway.

There is no reason to really own an Xbox. My primary reason for fixing mine is to get the HD DVD drive so I can have an HD DVD player. I'm sure after I get it up and running it'll be a new stylish DVD player for my living pretty quick, as there really are NO games what-so-ever on it that I can't get a better version of for the PC

HAHAHA! Oh man you made me laugh! "no games what so ever" on the 360, man you obviously know a lot about current gaming huh!? (not) PMSL!

Just to make you realize how stupid you sound heres a small list:

Dead Rising, PGR 3&4, Forza 2, Crackdown, Saints Row, Halo 3 (as mentioned earlier) and Gears (as mentioned earlier but its still better to play on the 360 because you will have to pay a fortune to upgrade your computer to run the PC version). Those are just a few examples of the 360 exclusives, then there are all the multi platform games which, just so you know, all run better on the 360 than they do on the PS3 or Wii and run just as good as the pc versions.

Then theres all the XBL-Arcade games you can download if you like a bit of nostalgia but no longer own an old console.

So, no games on the 360 then? How about no games on the Wii that dont cater to a wider audience than 5 year olds or 70 year olds?

It's gettin pissy in here huh?




I like Halo. It's a good game. Halo 2 was a bit rushed, but the multiplayer was great fun. Halo 3 (hopefully- I have yet to play more than the first level) is an ammalgamation of the previous two.

Now, at college there are a group of 5 guys, all hardcore Halo fans.


They say:

The campaign sucks. The ending's crap. I haven't bothered to play the multiplayer online yet

I was quite surprised. I was looking forward to Halo 3, and wanted to hear how fantastic it was. But what they said really shocked me.


I don't particularly see how Halo revolutionised FPS either. There are plenty of older games out there that introduced everything that Halo uses. It's not even a particularly original story. But it is still good.


And after this gaming generation, amazing graphics won't cut it anymore. The price of designing and using powerful graphics chips is dropping as technological advancement strides forward. The people will need more than the ability to see sweat drops (for example). Something that really will revolutionise the way we play.

Sony already tried to integrate motion sensing into their controllers. Sure, not as powerful as the Wii-mote sensors, but they're quite good. I suppose MS is more honourable than to steal tech from another company and integrate it into their own console.



And I will be honest. There are about 5 or 6 games I will buy a 360 for.
And Halo 3 is not at the top of that list. Bio shock (from what I've heard from a good friend who lives 360) is absolutely amazing. I will get condemned, as that rocks and is pretty freaky; maybe dead rising- which doesn't look very visually impressive I must say; Saints Row if I find I enjoy it; and Halo 3 is at the bottom of the list.


There are just better games out there than Halo.

[quote="The Master Blaster"]It's gettin pissy in here huh?

No kidding. I own a Wii and PS3, and yes, I love wasting money on expensive paperweights, and gimmicky machines, as they're known. I guess I wasn't sensible enough to buy a 360. But that's my choice, and everybody's choice is fair enough.
Why do the conversations that center around video game consoles have to get so venomous around here? Reading them makes me feel embarassed, and I'm not involved in the arguements.

Senor Hugo wrote:Halo on the Wii would be interesting, but it'd seem to be a concept that wouldn't come out exactly right.

Dual wielding for instance, would be kind of hard to properly control, or implement with the Nunchuck.

I wont get into a pissing match with our favorite fanboy but I'd like to challenge Hugo on this Point I think Duel Wielding could work on the Wii or maybe with two controllers the one thing that pisses me off with Halo and other Duel wielding games is that you can hold two weapons but only Aim one General Target I think that could change on Wii

EDIT: And My Opinion on Halo 3 and you can take this for what its worth I am a Halo hater I Hated 1 and 2 and I cant see why people think THOSE games are revolutionary or even capable FPS but with that said Halo 3 is a great game Even the Campaign mode is better the story has its flawed and Master Chief is far from a deep character. but its head and Shoulders above 1 and 2. the Multiplayer is also very good. with fairer matchmaking and bells and whistles that will change the way online gaming will be done on console gaming.

Phategod1 wrote:

Senor Hugo wrote:Halo on the Wii would be interesting, but it'd seem to be a concept that wouldn't come out exactly right.

Dual wielding for instance, would be kind of hard to properly control, or implement with the Nunchuck.

I wont get into a pissing match with our favorite fanboy but I'd like to challenge Hugo on this Point I think Duel Wielding could work on the Wii or maybe with two controllers the one thing that pisses me off with Halo and other Duel wielding games is that you can hold two weapons but only Aim one General Target I think that could change on Wii

EDIT: And My Opinion on Halo 3 and you can take this for what its worth I am a Halo hater I Hated 1 and 2 and I cant see why people think THOSE games are revolutionary or even capable FPS but with that said Halo 3 is a great game Even the Campaign mode is better the story has its flawed and Master Chief is far from a deep character. but its head and Shoulders above 1 and 2. the Multiplayer is also very good. with fairer matchmaking and bells and whistles that will change the way online gaming will be done on console gaming.

Yeah, I can agree, I was thinking a bit too much into the whole way it could work.

I think, having both guns aim separately would be kind of awkward for the player, as opposed to aiming both guns with just the wiimote.

The biggest challenge, though, for Halo on the Wii, would be how you'd actually do the whole "which buttons do what" bit.

You got the nunchuck setup, one button on the joystick, then how the Wiimote itself is held, accessing all the buttons would be, well for most people, awkward.

The using items, switching weapons, switching through grenades buttons would be the biggest to get right on the wii.

But, Halo on the Wii, would be pretty awesome, or if anything, like I said before, interesting.

In the whole console argument no one seemed to notice my idea. Activision, Nintendo, and Bungy work together to make a new updated version of Goldeneye exclusive for the Wii. That would definilty be cool

Phategod1 wrote:
I wont get into a pissing match with our favorite fanboy

Yay im the favorite!

Seriously i dont care what you say because i used to hate being called a fanboy (mainly simply because im not one, im rather open minded to GOOD stuff) but thanks to Shadowman i learnt that being called a fanboy isnt so bad and actually something to be proud of. It shows support and dedication to something you like, and if you are proud of the thing that you support then show it off.

And anyone who thinks Halo 2 didnt kick start the online console multiplayer gaming thing isnt very well informed, same goes for those who dont think the game did anything new. Yes the Dreamcast started the online thing, but it failed, Sony ignored the idea for the most part but M$ and Halo 2 took full advantage of it and made it the basic requirement that it is today. They turned a luxury into a standard thing and Halo brought console gamers a QUALITY console based FPS that rivaled most FPS games that ran only on the PC, which at the time was the only system to play an FPS on. That may not sound like much now but theres no denying that back in those days that was quite an achievement.

That said i only got into the Halo's and XBL when i bought the 360 a few months ago, before then (and the disaster and utter let down that was Sony's press conferance at E3 2005) i was a dedicated Sony fan"boy". I was never interested in anything Nintendo would have to offer, I still aint and never will be unless they move out of the realm of silly gimmicks and kids games and get some more third-party games in and actually offer something for a mature audience and for people who want to play online.

"rant over"

I doubt Nintendo will ever be for you, Sonray.

Optimus Convoy wrote:I doubt Nintendo will ever be for you, Sonray.

I feel the same way. The only Nintendo products i have owned in my entire life was a gameboy, which only replaced my broken Game Gear (which i preffered over the gameboy) and a few years back i bought two used GBA's specifically for a long road trip when i lived in the US. I didnt intend to use them anymore after that and i never did. I sold them soon after i got my PSP.

I just dont know what all the fuss is about over Nintendo. They really dont ever do anything that appeals to me and it isnt just because they make mostly kids games because even when i was a kid i didnt like their **** much either.

I simply never have and wont ever like Nintendo just as i wont ever like most vegetables.

Sonray wrote:

Optimus Convoy wrote:I doubt Nintendo will ever be for you, Sonray.

I feel the same way. The only Nintendo products i have owned in my entire life was a gameboy, which only replaced my broken Game Gear (which i preffered over the gameboy) and a few years back i bought two used GBA's specifically for a long road trip when i lived in the US. I didnt intend to use them anymore after that and i never did. I sold them soon after i got my PSP.

I just dont know what all the fuss is about over Nintendo. They really dont ever do anything that appeals to me and it isnt just because they make mostly kids games because even when i was a kid i didnt like their **** much either.

I simply never have and wont ever like Nintendo just as i wont ever like most vegetables.

No adult games, huh? I beg to differ.

Shadowman wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Optimus Convoy wrote:I doubt Nintendo will ever be for you, Sonray.

I feel the same way. The only Nintendo products i have owned in my entire life was a gameboy, which only replaced my broken Game Gear (which i preffered over the gameboy) and a few years back i bought two used GBA's specifically for a long road trip when i lived in the US. I didnt intend to use them anymore after that and i never did. I sold them soon after i got my PSP.

I just dont know what all the fuss is about over Nintendo. They really dont ever do anything that appeals to me and it isnt just because they make mostly kids games because even when i was a kid i didnt like their **** much either.

I simply never have and wont ever like Nintendo just as i wont ever like most vegetables.

No adult games, huh? I beg to differ.

What was that? A handful of semi-adult games in a never ending sea of kids games? Doesnt redeem or even count for that matter.

(oh and Zelda isnt adult, nor is f-zero)

Sonray wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Optimus Convoy wrote:I doubt Nintendo will ever be for you, Sonray.

I feel the same way. The only Nintendo products i have owned in my entire life was a gameboy, which only replaced my broken Game Gear (which i preffered over the gameboy) and a few years back i bought two used GBA's specifically for a long road trip when i lived in the US. I didnt intend to use them anymore after that and i never did. I sold them soon after i got my PSP.

I just dont know what all the fuss is about over Nintendo. They really dont ever do anything that appeals to me and it isnt just because they make mostly kids games because even when i was a kid i didnt like their **** much either.

I simply never have and wont ever like Nintendo just as i wont ever like most vegetables.

No adult games, huh? I beg to differ.

What was that? A handful of semi-adult games in a never ending sea of kids games? Doesnt redeem or even count for that matter.

(oh and Zelda isnt adult, nor is f-zero)

Whatever, I'd much rather play F-Zero than PGR any day.

But, hey, did you know that in Japan, the largest gamer country on Earth (Aside from South Korea), Wii and PS3 are both outselling the 360?

What's more, Wii has sold 10.7 million consoles in less than a year. It took 360 TWO years to get that. Guess who's selling faster?

Im fully aware actually, and i could care less especially since i dont live in Japan.

Sonray wrote:Im fully aware actually, and i could care less especially since i dont live in Japan.

Well, whatever. Have fun with Dawn of the De--Sorry, I mean "Dead Rising," Warha--Again, sorry, "Gears of War," and StarCr--man, what's up with me today? I meant to say "Halo."

hehe, you are funny. Im laughing at you.

Sonray wrote:hehe, you are funny. Im laughing at you.

Yep. But, to be honest, you can't deny that the three games I mentioned are similar to other things:

Dead Rising: A Zombie-infested mall, like Dawn of the Dead.

Gears of War: Space marines fighting large alien monsters, using advanced guns and chainsaw-weapons, like WarHammer 40K.

Halo: So many here, the human race (Terrans/Humans) fights against a parasitic hive-mind (Zerg/Flood), and a super-religious, super-advanced alien race, whom they develop an uneasy alliance with (Protoss/Covenant), while a large part of the story revolves around an even more mysterious, ancient alien race. (Xel'Naga/Forerunners)

Moreover, the basic units for those races all have analogues in both games, Marines (Pretty much the same in both games), long-headed, armored aliens, with beam blades (Zealots/Elites), and tiny, super-fast parasitic aliens (Zerglings/Flood Spores) guarded by larger, tougher beings. (Hydralisk/Flood Combat form)

EDIT: Then again, you can use the same method for Stargate: Zerg/Goa'uld/Flood, Protoss/Asgard/Covenant, Terran/Human/Tau'ri.

Shadowman wrote:

Sonray wrote:hehe, you are funny. Im laughing at you.

Yep. But, to be honest, you can't deny that the three games I mentioned are similar to other things:

Dead Rising: A Zombie-infested mall, like Dawn of the Dead.

Gears of War: Space marines fighting large alien monsters, using advanced guns and chainsaw-weapons, like WarHammer 40K.

Halo: So many here, the human race (Terrans/Humans) fights against a parasitic hive-mind (Zerg/Flood), and a super-religious, super-advanced alien race, whom they develop an uneasy alliance with (Protoss/Covenant), while a large part of the story revolves around an even more mysterious, ancient alien race. (Xel'Naga/Forerunners)

Moreover, the basic units for those races all have analogues in both games, Marines (Pretty much the same in both games), long-headed, armored aliens, with beam blades (Zealots/Elites), and tiny, super-fast parasitic aliens (Zerglings/Flood Spores) guarded by larger, tougher beings. (Hydralisk/Flood Combat form)

EDIT: Then again, you can use the same method for Stargate: Zerg/Goa'uld/Flood, Protoss/Asgard/Covenant, Terran/Human/Tau'ri.

And? Whats your point here? Look nothing is original these days, everything is a copy or homage or inspired by something else these.

Sonray wrote:

Optimus Convoy wrote:I doubt Nintendo will ever be for you, Sonray.

I feel the same way. The only Nintendo products i have owned in my entire life was a gameboy, which only replaced my broken Game Gear (which i preffered over the gameboy) and a few years back i bought two used GBA's specifically for a long road trip when i lived in the US. I didnt intend to use them anymore after that and i never did. I sold them soon after i got my PSP.

I just dont know what all the fuss is about over Nintendo. They really dont ever do anything that appeals to me and it isnt just because they make mostly kids games because even when i was a kid i didnt like their **** much either.

I simply never have and wont ever like Nintendo just as i wont ever like most vegetables.

I'll agree with you about the Game Gear, I thought that thing was great. When I was a kid, I had one of those and not a Gameboy. It was a very impressive hand held for its' time. The only reason I got a Gameboy was for the Pokemon games (big Pokemon fan).

I guess what console you own now reflects your mentality. I'm a big Nintendo/Sega fan, and always have been. With their cartoony characters and games, I'm a big kid at heart. Most people who believe in the XBox 360, I guess are more mature minded gamers. Nothing wrong with either type, or their choices.

The game gear was neat: But it sucked....batteries that is. I preferred the gameboy to the game gear just because of that! the game gear was supposed to last 8 hours on 6 AA batteries, but from watching the friends that had them, you'd be lucky to get 4 hours out of that! I preferred the game boy just simply because of the fact 4 AA batteries last like 30 hours in it. As for the gamegear the sound was very impressive, to some extent it seemed like the sound was better than the sega genesis! But the graphics sucked. Probably due to the fact it was Master System Hardware.

Shadowman wrote:I'm sorry, but are you new to video games? Have you ever heard of DooM? How about Goldeneye? (Which sold as many copies as Halo 2) Perfect Dark? Bioshock? Half-Life?

Sonray wrote:Yes i have, and was any of those games on the Xbox? No. Did any of them pioneer and perfect online console gaming that we have on every (well nearly every) console today? No.

Let's revisit these posts:

ALL of them were on either the Xbox or 360, with the exception of Goldeneye.

Shadowman wrote:

Shadowman wrote:I'm sorry, but are you new to video games? Have you ever heard of DooM? How about Goldeneye? (Which sold as many copies as Halo 2) Perfect Dark? Bioshock? Half-Life?

Sonray wrote:Yes i have, and was any of those games on the Xbox? No. Did any of them pioneer and perfect online console gaming that we have on every (well nearly every) console today? No.

Let's revisit these posts:

ALL of them were on either the Xbox or 360, with the exception of Goldeneye.

Way to take a dead conversation out of context and bait someone else into another arguement! Yet IM the one being warned for baiting!? Pfft.