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Swerve wrote:You can pick up the set on the Walmart website now. Here's the link:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5679548

I don't know if I'll be getting him. I already bought Megatron, who I find pretty ugly, only to complete the series and am having a tough time trying to justify this purchase. I didn't buy the Legends Class of Classics or the minicons becuase I didn't feel like they are actual Classics. This is just an Energon repaint so it doesn't really qualify as a classic to me.

shortround wrote:I have energon ones and both versions suck worse than a 70's horror film. I wish people would stop trying to defend them and trying to find something postive to say about these figures.

Counterpunch wrote:I have the Energon versions and now this store-exclusive version.

The exclusive version is a mixed bag, but there is definate good along with the bad. The black and purple repaints really shine. Combiners or not, these two could mix into any line from Armada to Classics and still rock.

The bad? well, the main combiner portion is barely even a repaint. There are slight differences, but not enough to drop $30 bucks on if you're in college eating ramen.

onto this bit of silliness:

shortround wrote:I have energon ones and both versions suck worse than a 70's horror film. I wish people would stop trying to defend them and trying to find something postive to say about these figures.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, if I were to offer you gesalts that not only came in the G1 style of one main character and 4 limb characters, with superior (some might say super articulated) posability in 'bot mode, along with combiner joints that actually allow for the same posability in gesalt mode; would you turn that down?

I certainly hope not you unwashed heathen masses.

Do you know what I remember best about my G1 Devestator gift pack as a child? Fond memory here...Hook, snapped in half while coming out of the package. Not that it mattered much. It seems Devestator was meant to fall apart (I'm sure there has been more than one Transformers fan who only upon reaching his [or her?] 18th birthday finally got the smarts to keep ole' Dev together). But I digress.

Are the Energon combiners perfect? Hell no. After all, they aren't Jesus (though with the trinity thing, he is kind of a gesalt..?). In fact, Superior is pretty poopy. However, all of his limbs rock out hard. Both Bruticus and E Devestator (and all their parts) are fine transformers as well.

So, I don't actually have to defend them. They stand all by themselves. Which in the end, is a marked improvement over the old G1 Devestator. And don't you try and tell me that a loosy-goosie Scrapper didn't mean doom for Dev.

D-340 wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:I have the Energon versions and now this store-exclusive version.

The exclusive version is a mixed bag, but there is definate good along with the bad. The black and purple repaints really shine. Combiners or not, these two could mix into any line from Armada to Classics and still rock.

The bad? well, the main combiner portion is barely even a repaint. There are slight differences, but not enough to drop $30 bucks on if you're in college eating ramen.

onto this bit of silliness:

shortround wrote:I have energon ones and both versions suck worse than a 70's horror film. I wish people would stop trying to defend them and trying to find something postive to say about these figures.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, if I were to offer you gesalts that not only came in the G1 style of one main character and 4 limb characters, with superior (some might say super articulated) posability in 'bot mode, along with combiner joints that actually allow for the same posability in gesalt mode; would you turn that down?

I certainly hope not you unwashed heathen masses.

Do you know what I remember best about my G1 Devestator gift pack as a child? Fond memory here...Hook, snapped in half while coming out of the package. Not that it mattered much. It seems Devestator was meant to fall apart (I'm sure there has been more than one Transformers fan who only upon reaching his [or her?] 18th birthday finally got the smarts to keep ole' Dev together). But I digress.

Are the Energon combiners perfect? Hell no. After all, they aren't Jesus (though with the trinity thing, he is kind of a gesalt..?). In fact, Superior is pretty poopy. However, all of his limbs rock out hard. Both Bruticus and E Devestator (and all their parts) are fine transformers as well.

So, I don't actually have to defend them. They stand all by themselves. Which in the end, is a marked improvement over the old G1 Devestator. And don't you try and tell me that a loosy-goosie Scrapper didn't mean doom for Dev.

Well said.

TENIME_art wrote:

D-340 wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:I have the Energon versions and now this store-exclusive version.

The exclusive version is a mixed bag, but there is definate good along with the bad. The black and purple repaints really shine. Combiners or not, these two could mix into any line from Armada to Classics and still rock.

The bad? well, the main combiner portion is barely even a repaint. There are slight differences, but not enough to drop $30 bucks on if you're in college eating ramen.

onto this bit of silliness:

shortround wrote:I have energon ones and both versions suck worse than a 70's horror film. I wish people would stop trying to defend them and trying to find something postive to say about these figures.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, if I were to offer you gesalts that not only came in the G1 style of one main character and 4 limb characters, with superior (some might say super articulated) posability in 'bot mode, along with combiner joints that actually allow for the same posability in gesalt mode; would you turn that down?

I certainly hope not you unwashed heathen masses.

Do you know what I remember best about my G1 Devestator gift pack as a child? Fond memory here...Hook, snapped in half while coming out of the package. Not that it mattered much. It seems Devestator was meant to fall apart (I'm sure there has been more than one Transformers fan who only upon reaching his [or her?] 18th birthday finally got the smarts to keep ole' Dev together). But I digress.

Are the Energon combiners perfect? Hell no. After all, they aren't Jesus (though with the trinity thing, he is kind of a gesalt..?). In fact, Superior is pretty poopy. However, all of his limbs rock out hard. Both Bruticus and E Devestator (and all their parts) are fine transformers as well.

So, I don't actually have to defend them. They stand all by themselves. Which in the end, is a marked improvement over the old G1 Devestator. And don't you try and tell me that a loosy-goosie Scrapper didn't mean doom for Dev.

Well said.

Here, here.

No one's ever happy with what they can get, so they have to ruin everyone else's moods.

Magnus' Mate wrote:

metalslugx1942 wrote: I think we should as fans, stop buying repaints, with new names and bios. I think as a whole, is an insult to fans, saying your too dumb to notice his is the same figure as last years, but we re named it, have new bio, and new colors, so there, a new character.

I'm assuming you are an "original G1" fan here, but...

how come it was okay for 1980s Hasbro to do this but not 2007 Hasbro? Is it the nostalgia? Rose-tinted glasses perhaps? You can't criticise this practice unless you're also going to condemn:
Prowl - Bluestreak - Smokescreen
Trailbreaker - Hoist
Ratchet - Ironhide
Sideswipe - Red Alert
Grapple - Inferno
All the minibot redecos I can't be bothered listing (e.g. Huffer & Pipes)
Rumble - Frenzy
And lots more, but lets not forget the mother of all "Hey, it's the same mould but let's repaint it and sell it as a completely new character!" ideas...
Starscream - Thundercracker - Skywarp - Dirge - Ramjet - Thrust

Unless you can put your hand on your heart and say you just hate all those characters, methinks your argument sinks...

Hasbro - indeed ALL toy manufacturers - have to pay a lot of money for new moulds. Since year dot in the action figure universe, repaints/remoulds have been a cheap way of getting more product out to the marketplace and creating revenue to make new moulds. It happens with Star Wars (Kenner were tight enough to reuse a lot of their Ewok playsets in their Robin Hood: Prince Of Thieves line!), happens with all the superhero lines (neon-pink Batman anyone?), the He-Man figures (Faker being a classic example) and it happens with Transformers.
Do you have to like it? Nah. Accept it? Well, it ain't going away...

Perhaps its hard to think of our childhood Transformers (and other toy lines from that era) as business/commercial products, but that's what they are. No Hasbro exec really sat around saying "Hmm. Starscream's a great character. But you know what we need? Five more jets with just as interesting personalities and abilities to join him so fans will love these new characters!"
More likely he said: "We've paid a lot to import these moulds from Takara, so reuse the good ones as much as you possibly can! Here, I'll help - pass the blue paint please."

Of course, if that's what they started life as, then they BECAME more. When I think of Inferno or Grapple, for example, I think of two different characters. That's kudos for the comic/cartoon writers, and my six year old imagination.
But if it was OK then, I see no reason it can't be OK now...

A-hem. Sorry, bit of a rant there and I think I went way off topic. Anyway...

(Back to topic)
Being in the UK, who knows if I'll ever get a chance at these Classic Constructicons. But they look good!

Falconhood wrote:i saw him tonight $30ish, and he looks more impressive in person, but i am still not interested enuff to actually get him..but i DO have a question:

can you combine the limbs in any order? like the crane-hook truck can be an ARM or LEG (pic is just leg)...and can anyone post recombination pics, if so??

Counterpunch wrote:Can't I do both? I'm happy with what I get and while kicking people when they're down.

I also enjoy both having a cake and eating it as well.

Magnus' Mate wrote:

metalslugx1942 wrote: I think we should as fans, stop buying repaints, with new names and bios. I think as a whole, is an insult to fans, saying your too dumb to notice his is the same figure as last years, but we re named it, have new bio, and new colors, so there, a new character.

I'm assuming you are an "original G1" fan here, but...

how come it was okay for 1980s Hasbro to do this but not 2007 Hasbro? Is it the nostalgia? Rose-tinted glasses perhaps? You can't criticise this practice unless you're also going to condemn:
Prowl - Bluestreak - Smokescreen
Trailbreaker - Hoist
Ratchet - Ironhide
Sideswipe - Red Alert
Grapple - Inferno
All the minibot redecos I can't be bothered listing (e.g. Huffer & Pipes)
Rumble - Frenzy
And lots more, but lets not forget the mother of all "Hey, it's the same mould but let's repaint it and sell it as a completely new character!" ideas...
Starscream - Thundercracker - Skywarp - Dirge - Ramjet - Thrust

Unless you can put your hand on your heart and say you just hate all those characters, methinks your argument sinks...

Hasbro - indeed ALL toy manufacturers - have to pay a lot of money for new moulds. Since year dot in the action figure universe, repaints/remoulds have been a cheap way of getting more product out to the marketplace and creating revenue to make new moulds. It happens with Star Wars (Kenner were tight enough to reuse a lot of their Ewok playsets in their Robin Hood: Prince Of Thieves line!), happens with all the superhero lines (neon-pink Batman anyone?), the He-Man figures (Faker being a classic example) and it happens with Transformers.
Do you have to like it? Nah. Accept it? Well, it ain't going away...

Perhaps its hard to think of our childhood Transformers (and other toy lines from that era) as business/commercial products, but that's what they are. No Hasbro exec really sat around saying "Hmm. Starscream's a great character. But you know what we need? Five more jets with just as interesting personalities and abilities to join him so fans will love these new characters!"
More likely he said: "We've paid a lot to import these moulds from Takara, so reuse the good ones as much as you possibly can! Here, I'll help - pass the blue paint please."

Of course, if that's what they started life as, then they BECAME more. When I think of Inferno or Grapple, for example, I think of two different characters. That's kudos for the comic/cartoon writers, and my six year old imagination.
But if it was OK then, I see no reason it can't be OK now...

A-hem. Sorry, bit of a rant there and I think I went way off topic. Anyway...

(Back to topic)
Being in the UK, who knows if I'll ever get a chance at these Classic Constructicons. But they look good!