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Here is a (what I call G1 toy accurate) Thundercracker from the classics line.





The tit thundercracker is my next repaint, into skywarp.

Let me know what you think.

did you have to do major sanding at all joints to allow you to TF it every so often without worryin' about wear or chipping? I have an extra to make a sunstorm cause I figure he's less likely to get released than TC is right now...

Nice job on the Classics Thundercracker. About using a Titanium WW thundercracker for Skywarp though, you do realize that Skywarp?s transformation was totally different than Thundercracker?s in that comic, don?t you?

well they're releasing sunstorm AND starscream as just mere repaints of that same mold, so it isn't really hurting anything *L*

I don?t know anything about Starscream, but I do know about Sunstorm. There has been no announcement about them releasing a WW Starscream on any of the sites I have checked out, and no pics of one have appeared from any of the BotCon galleries. Especially one using the Thundercracker mold That still does not invalidate my point. Starscream too has a different transformation than Thundercracker. In fact, none of the three share the same transformation. Skywarp?s nose cone covers his head when he transforms into jet mode, and his feet become his thrusters. Starscream?s legs and hips rotate around 180? and then fold back under him while his arms remain at his side and his hands slide up into his forearms, and his tail folds down over his head while the vents on his abs rotate forward. That is nothing like Thundercracker?s transformation.

Tramp wrote:Nice job on the Classics Thundercracker. About using a Titanium WW thundercracker for Skywarp though, you do realize that Skywarp?s transformation was totally different than Thundercracker?s in that comic, don?t you?

Actually, i didn't know.
But , he 97% done now and looks bad@$$. I do remember in the G1 cartoon they all looked alike though (in alt. mode)

MacrossFA19 wrote:

Tramp wrote:Nice job on the Classics Thundercracker. About using a Titanium WW thundercracker for Skywarp though, you do realize that Skywarp?s transformation was totally different than Thundercracker?s in that comic, don?t you?

Actually, i didn't know.
But , he 97% done now and looks bad@$$. I do remember in the G1 cartoon they all looked alike though (in alt. mode)

They are definately very, very different. When Don designed the characters for this comic he made everry character?s transformation unique to that character, no two characters share a transformation. Here are a few shots from the comic for you to show you what I mean.

Here is a shot of the concept sketch for Skywarp?


These two show Skywarp?s transformation?




This shot shows both Skywarp and Thundercracker transforming?


These two show Starscream?s transformation?




These shots were taken from War Within volumes 1,3, 6 and preview.

Tramp wrote:I don?t know anything about Starscream, but I do know about Sunstorm. There has been no announcement about them releasing a WW Starscream on any of the sites I have checked out, and no pics of one have appeared from any of the BotCon galleries. Especially one using the Thundercracker mold That still does not invalidate my point. Starscream too has a different transformation than Thundercracker. In fact, none of the three share the same transformation. Skywarp?s nose cone covers his head when he transforms into jet mode, and his feet become his thrusters. Starscream?s legs and hips rotate around 180? and then fold back under him while his arms remain at his side and his hands slide up into his forearms, and his tail folds down over his head while the vents on his abs rotate forward. That is nothing like Thundercracker?s transformation.

I did see pics of a Starscream repaint (unfortunately) around the time of botcon. I'm not sure quite where now, have to hunt them down for you. So many new bots showed up all at once I'm not surprised you missed it.

jimsloth wrote:I did see pics of a Starscream repaint (unfortunately) around the time of botcon. I'm not sure quite where now, have to hunt them down for you. So many new bots showed up all at once I'm not surprised you missed it.

Well, I wasn?t at Botcon, but I have seen the gallery shots of the Hasbro display on Seiberton.com and other sites and there was no shot of a Titanium WWI Starscream, mnuch less one using the Thundercracker mold. There might have been a fan done repaint there somewhere but no Hasbro release.

Tramp wrote:

jimsloth wrote:I did see pics of a Starscream repaint (unfortunately) around the time of botcon. I'm not sure quite where now, have to hunt them down for you. So many new bots showed up all at once I'm not surprised you missed it.

Well, I wasn?t at Botcon, but I have seen the gallery shots of the Hasbro display on Seiberton.com and other sites and there was no shot of a Titanium WWI Starscream, mnuch less one using the Thundercracker mold. There might have been a fan done repaint there somewhere but no Hasbro release.

Why do you always feel the need to be so sure of yourself. You make it that much easier for the rest of us to prove you wrong.

Do you have pictures from the Hasbro display at BotCon?

jimsloth wrote:...around the time of botcon...have to hunt them down...

Until you can post them and prove that these were from the Hasbro display and not a fan repaint, then you haven?t proved that Hasbro is releasing a Thuindercracker repainted as Starscream. Neither Seibertron.com nor TFormers.com have any information about such a release either. If you can do so, fine, if not, then you havent proven anything.

I know this DOES NOT prove anything other than there are more than three people that saw these pictures but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thundercracker

"Transformers: Titanium (2006)
A new 6" Thundercracker toy based on his 'The War Within' design was unveiled on the 8th March by an internet store. A day later the pictures were taken down at the request of Hasbro. This version of Thundercracker seems to be based on his appearance in the Dreamwave War Within comics series.

This toy was later repainted as a War Within Starscream.

A second Titanium Thundercracker, a 3 inch one based on his Generation form was released. This one is a repaint of the 3 inch Starscream."

also, look towards the bottom of this list:
http://plasticcrack.net/collection/wishlist.html

You?re right on one thing, that does not prove anything. Wikiedia is not, and never has been a reliable source because of its lack of accountablilty, and the ease in which anyone can add, subtract, or change information without verification of source material. And, even then, all it says is someone repainted that mold as Starscream, not that it was Hasbro or that there were plans to release one. And that wish list also proves nothing. All it means is that is a figure that individual wants, not that it is available, nor that it is a Hasbro repaint of WW Thindercracker.

Found on a link from this page
http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/135680.html

also:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-titanium

TFW2005 is quoted
"New 6" Titaniums at SDCC - G1 Soundwave, G1 Rodimus, WW Starscream, RID Prime

We've received word from the TFW crew onsite at SDCC that new 6 inch Titanium figures are on display.

War Within Starscream (a redeco of Thundercracker)
Robots In Disguise Optimus Prime
G1 Rodimus Prime with non detaching trailer (it's a part of the transformation).
G1 Soundwave with transforming cassettes.

Plus other figures we've heard about but haven't seen pictures of like Optimal Optimus and G1 Scourge (which is apparently really nice).

Thanks to supervir2, Tony Bacala and DESTRO of the 2005 Boards for the news. "

Asphalt wrote:so umm what are we arguing about again?

Tramp is being a **** as usual and not believing anyone other than himself. He wont accept that there has been a Starscream redeco of WW Thundercracker. I just showed links referring back to San Diego Comicon (JULY) where Hasbro Showed the toy.

jimsloth wrote:

Asphalt wrote:so umm what are we arguing about again?

Tramp is being a **** as usual and not believing anyone other than himself. He wont accept that there has been a Starscream redeco of WW Thundercracker. I just showed links referring back to San Diego Comicon (JULY) where Hasbro Showed the toy.

Wanting proof is not being an @$$. You were making a claim without any proof to back it up. IF you notice, I always back up my claims with proof. I expect others to do the same. I am actually glad you posted that link from Comicon, it is the first real proof you have shown even though there hasn?t been word one since about it, and it was conspicuously absent from the BotCon display. That could mean that either they just decided not to display it (doubtful but possible) or that they decided to go with Sunstorm instead. However, that still ,does not invalidate my first point, that being that War Within Skywarp, Thundercracker, and Starscream all have completely different transformations, and that I have proven.

Asphalt wrote:they have different transformations in the comics, agreed, but we all know that if they are produced they will be repaints having the exact same bodies.

That is not guaranteed, so you can?t say we all ?know? that that will be the case, because the only ones who ?know? are the designers at Hasbro. We can ?assume{ but you know what the word ?Assume? means don?t you? Is it possible that they may just do repaints? Sure. But is it a given? No, it is not a given.

Tramp wrote:

jimsloth wrote:

Asphalt wrote:so umm what are we arguing about again?

Tramp is being a **** as usual and not believing anyone other than himself. He wont accept that there has been a Starscream redeco of WW Thundercracker. I just showed links referring back to San Diego Comicon (JULY) where Hasbro Showed the toy.

Wanting proof is not being an @$$. You were making a claim without any proof to back it up. IF you notice, I always back up my claims with proof. I expect others to do the same. I am actually glad you posted that link from Comicon, it is the first real proof you have shown even though there hasn?t been word one since about it, and it was conspicuously absent from the BotCon display. That could mean that either they just decided not to display it (doubtful but possible) or that they decided to go with Sunstorm instead. However, that still ,does not invalidate my first point, that being that War Within Skywarp, Thundercracker, and Starscream all have completely different transformations, and that I have proven.

The reason I got pissed was because I started all of this by kindly offering to search for this picture for you. Instead of saying Hey Thanks, Googling Titanium WW Starscream, or saying I haven't seen that YET, You responded by saying again that it simply didn't exist. This is implying that both MacrossFA19 and I are Lieing. Because you didn't see it, it must not exist. That is why I called you a ****.

And yes, I would love to see three different molds for the three different seekers. After seeing pictures of a starscream repaint and a sunstorm repaint, I'm willing to bet three molds are not going to happen. Yes, Starscream may have been replaced by Sunstorm. It has been a while. I'd guess whether or not they would continue to repaint the same mold would depend partly on how well whichever they release first sells, and how long the line wears on. We are just now getting a Classics SS, and a Masterpiece SS, right after Cybertrons three molds of him, so they may want to hold off on the titanium so that people don't feel they have enough toys of the guy.

Asphalt wrote:ok hows this, given the past history of all Seeker toys, we can rely upon with near 100% accuracy that they will be the same mold repainted. Perhaps with slight wing or head mods reminiscent of the G1 seeker toys.

No, even that isn?t true, because they haven?t always done that. The original G1 seekers were indeed all the same mold, as are the Classics versions of Starscream, Skywarp, and (with mods) Ramjet. However, Cybertron Starscream and Thundercracker are both still Seekers, yet they use completely different designs. It is still just an assumption that hasbro would use the same mold, and that is not necessarily true. Is it possible that Hasbro would use the same mold? Yes. But, it is not definate, nor near definate, nor would it be an accurate choice given the extreme differences in their transformations.

Looking at the pictures of the comic They definately have different transformations, but they all have a very similar Alt mode, with skywarps being the most notably different.

Also while Cybertron starscream and thundercracker do both have different molds, they are completely different classes, Starscream being one of the massive Supreme class and thundercracker a much smaller deluxe. Also look at the recent large quantities of repaints, especially in the alternator line

although you may be right, my repaint has nothing to do with the comic, I said I call it "G1 Toy accurate" all repaints of the same mold with some exceptions. Also it is my repaint, I happen to like it, and everyone is welcome to thier opinion of it. But I am appreciative of showing me that all TF's have different transformations in the comics, something I just never noticed.

another point, there have been pics from hasbro at botcon of a WW magnus being a straight repaint of WW optimus (and I'm NOT talking about the G1 Magnus mold which is SWEET). Repeat, there are TWO count them TWO magnus releases coming out in Titanium. The WW Version is not the design from the comics. It is a white repaint of Prime. Don did a Magnus design, and Hasbro is being cheep and releasing a straight repaint.

*edit* P.S. I'd love it if some Bootleger would just release an oversized Cybertron Legends Starscream to be in scale with the Titaniums. Hell, its the only size class of that design we DIDN'T get. If we don't get an official one I think this would be the next best thing.