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News Credits: 41 · by **Cobotron** » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:30 pm

itscramtastic wrote:
Cobotron wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:What are the boundaries for best legion class toy? does that include all cyberverse, scout, legends and legion class guys then like Swerve and Windcharger?
No, just legion class, the tiniest of the tinies. Those you mention are going on another list which I already wrote where I combine Scouts with Legends. The big difference here is about scale. Scouts and the legends you mention are meant to scale with bigger toys, while the legions are their own smaller scale.
The lines get blurry when you bring in Commander class (which is really just Scout/Legends), but we already covered that posts ago.

For the purpose of the lists, the Editor calls the shots.
So let me straighten this out for myself here..

Cyberverse Commander Transformers Prime Optimus Prime/Megatron = legends/scout
RTS G1 Optimus Prime/G1 Megatron = legion?

You got it! Then it gets really confusing when during Cybertron and the first movie when Legion class was called Legends. 8-}

News Credits: 293 · by **shajaki** » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:31 pm

That upscaled Cyberverse Predaking, I actually bought! It's the only thing from BH I grabbed, it was on sale, and I'd heard good things. And he is indeed a nifty Dragotron ;)^

And Dinobots.... Those lil WW Dino's are tempting, but I'd want them to be actual Dino's. And Warbotrons Grim is all kinds of awesome, but he's four members shy of a team

News Credits: 1642 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:35 pm

william-james88 wrote:
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:What are the boundaries for best legion class toy? does that include all cyberverse, scout, legends and legion class guys then like Swerve and Windcharger?

No, just legion class, the tiniest of the tinies. Those you mention are going on another list which I already wrote where I combine Scouts with Legends. The big difference here is about scale. Scouts and the legends you mention are meant to scale with bigger toys, while the legions are their own smaller scale.

Well in that case. RiD Fixit had either be #1 or #2. that little guy is the bomb diggity!!!

News Credits: 41 · by **Cobotron** » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:37 pm

smokebreakjaki wrote:And Dinobots.... Those lil WW Dino's are tempting, but I'd want them to be actual Dino's.

Exactly why I'm torn ... Within.

hidinginofficejaki wrote:And Warbotrons Grim is all kinds of awesome, but he's four members shy of a team

Also yes to this. Maybe they'll make more? Why Slag never get no love.
Also he is essentially a model kit.

News Credits: 4835 · by **william-james88** » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:37 pm

itscramtastic wrote:
Cobotron wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:What are the boundaries for best legion class toy? does that include all cyberverse, scout, legends and legion class guys then like Swerve and Windcharger?
No, just legion class, the tiniest of the tinies. Those you mention are going on another list which I already wrote where I combine Scouts with Legends. The big difference here is about scale. Scouts and the legends you mention are meant to scale with bigger toys, while the legions are their own smaller scale.
The lines get blurry when you bring in Commander class (which is really just Scout/Legends), but we already covered that posts ago.

For the purpose of the lists, the Editor calls the shots.
So let me straighten this out for myself here..

Cyberverse Commander Transformers Prime Optimus Prime/Megatron = legends/scout
RTS G1 Optimus Prime/G1 Megatron = legion?

Not really.

Scout has to be able to interact with bigger toys. It cannot be a bigger character in a smaller scale. There isnt really a defined place for those at the moment since they are a relatively new class. It gets even blurrier when you look at Huffer and Warpath. He is meant to interact and scale with the bigger bots but he is made using the mold of a toy that wasnt. But then again, the elader class is also up in shambles in terms of scale. The Leader Seekers are clearly not supposed to be in scale with Leader Magnus or Jetfire.

I guess in the end, the Legends class is really a class all on its own which combined different scales together.

But man, things get weird, I mean think about it within the same line, we have 2 thundercrackers and 2 Grooves. And they are same interpretation of the same character :BANG_HEAD:

But RTS G1 Optimus Prime and G1 Megatron are definitely Legion.

News Credits: 4835 · by **william-james88** » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:47 pm

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:What are the boundaries for best legion class toy? does that include all cyberverse, scout, legends and legion class guys then like Swerve and Windcharger?

No, just legion class, the tiniest of the tinies. Those you mention are going on another list which I already wrote where I combine Scouts with Legends. The big difference here is about scale. Scouts and the legends you mention are meant to scale with bigger toys, while the legions are their own smaller scale.

Well in that case. RiD Fixit had either be #1 or #2. that little guy is the bomb diggity!!!

Its all up to Cobo. But keep your opinions in mind and write them down when the list arrives

PS: Pssst, D-Max, you have access to these lists, you can take a peek if you like.

News Credits: 41 · by **Cobotron** » Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:10 pm

william-james88 wrote: A bunch of stiff ideas about Legions/Legends/Scouts because he likes to play by
the rules ... in a box.

I tease.
Really what it boils down to is what ever works for you. Some guys are smaller versions of bigger characters, some are the right size for their characters. It gets really fun when you can create a decently scaled team of any given crew (peep sig). I will agree that when they were called Scouts they were meant to be the smaller characters. In Cybertron or Gen/Tak Legends. In essence Legends/Scout/Basic/Commander are all tooled essentially to the same scale. Which, in the wash, comes out to price point.

News Credits: 4835 · by **william-james88** » Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:18 pm

Cobotron wrote:
william-james88 wrote: A bunch of stiff ideas about Legions/Legends/Scouts because he likes to play by
the rules ... in a box.
I tease.
Really what it boils down to is what ever works for you. Some guys are smaller versions of bigger characters, some are the right size for their characters. It gets really fun when you can create a decently scaled team of any given crew (peep sig). I will agree that when they were called Scouts they were meant to be the smaller characters. In Cybertron or Gen/Tak Legends. In essence Legends/Scout/Basic/Commander are all tooled essentially to the same scale. Which, in the wash, comes out to price point.

I am so very thankful that none of the legends molds used for bigger characters at a different scale are better than th ones used for smaller characters because I can simply call my list Best Scouts/Legends and not worry about precising the scale thing so much :lol:

News Credits: 41 · by **Cobotron** » Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:21 pm

william-james88 wrote:
Cobotron wrote:
william-james88 wrote: A bunch of stiff ideas about Legions/Legends/Scouts because he likes to play by
the rules ... in a box.
I tease.
Really what it boils down to is what ever works for you. Some guys are smaller versions of bigger characters, some are the right size for their characters. It gets really fun when you can create a decently scaled team of any given crew (peep sig). I will agree that when they were called Scouts they were meant to be the smaller characters. In Cybertron or Gen/Tak Legends. In essence Legends/Scout/Basic/Commander are all tooled essentially to the same scale. Which, in the wash, comes out to price point.

I am so very thankful that none of the legends molds used for bigger characters at a different scale are better than th ones used for smaller characters because I can simply call my list Best Scouts/Legends and not worry about precising the scale thing so much

Tots M'goats! :lol:

News Credits: 1642 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:31 pm

william-james88 wrote:
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:What are the boundaries for best legion class toy? does that include all cyberverse, scout, legends and legion class guys then like Swerve and Windcharger?

No, just legion class, the tiniest of the tinies. Those you mention are going on another list which I already wrote where I combine Scouts with Legends. The big difference here is about scale. Scouts and the legends you mention are meant to scale with bigger toys, while the legions are their own smaller scale.

Well in that case. RiD Fixit had either be #1 or #2. that little guy is the bomb diggity!!!

Its all up to Cobo. But keep your opinions in mind and write them down when the list arrives

PS: Pssst, D-Max, you have access to these lists, you can take a peek if you like.

Oh I remember I have access. I'm actually going to send a list that I have been writing to Va'al and ScottyP tonight for a look since it is related to fiction. If they find it good and I did not miss anyone important, I'll post in the thread with the new list for you to take a gander at

News Credits: 15 · by **galvatron00** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:49 am

I have robots that are tiny, from varying lines, of characters that should be that small and shouldn't be that small in regards to the size of other robots.

They are all "$10> price point scale" to me now.

Thanks WJ and Cobo :lol:

News Credits: 4835 · by **william-james88** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:52 am

itscramtastic wrote:I have robots that are tiny, from varying lines, of characters that should be that small and shouldn't be that small in regards to the size of other robots.

They are all "$10> price point scale" to me now.

Thanks WJ and Cobo

To be dead honest, I think that is the main way to go about it now.

News Credits: 41 · by **Cobotron** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:13 am

william-james88 wrote:
itscramtastic wrote:I have robots that are tiny, from varying lines, of characters that should be that small and shouldn't be that small in regards to the size of other robots.

They are all "$10> price point scale" to me now.

Thanks WJ and Cobo

To be dead honest, I think that is the main way to go about it now.

Glad we could help! ;)^

News Credits: 15 · by **galvatron00** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:56 am

Cobotron wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
itscramtastic wrote:I have robots that are tiny, from varying lines, of characters that should be that small and shouldn't be that small in regards to the size of other robots.

They are all "$10> price point scale" to me now.

Thanks WJ and Cobo

To be dead honest, I think that is the main way to go about it now.
Glad we could help!

You kids are the best :-D

News Credits: 42 · by **Autobot N** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:10 pm

Today, I was looking at Sky Reign and OpMax, and, I decided to switch things up and make my own combiners. First, I took BC Prime and combined him with Bravo, Rook, Ratchet, and Tigatron to make my own White Knight. Then, I decided that the White Knight needed a sidekick, so I took Sky Lynx and combined him with Ironhide, Prowl, Smokescreen, and Wheeljack to create the Red White and Blue Rescuer (name still in idea stage). The guys that I had left (Hound, Trailbreaker, Mirage, and Sunstreaker) were combined with Scatter-not to form Betatron, who is probably (and ironically) my favorite of the bunch.

News Credits: 1642 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:46 pm

Autobot N wrote:Today, I was looking at Sky Reign and OpMax, and, I decided to switch things up and make my own combiners. First, I took BC Prime and combined him with Bravo, Rook, Ratchet, and Tigatron to make my own White Knight. Then, I decided that the White Knight needed a sidekick, so I took Sky Lynx and combined him with Ironhide, Prowl, Smokescreen, and Wheeljack to create the Red White and Blue Rescuer (name still in idea stage). The guys that I had left (Hound, Trailbreaker, Mirage, and Sunstreaker) were combined with Scatter-not to form Betatron, who is probably (and ironically) my favorite of the bunch.

Interesting combinations. And I'm jealous of the Ratchet...

News Credits: 41 · by **Cobotron** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:54 pm

Hey N! You know me. I love a good scramble. Glad you found some insperato in the White Knight. All those combos sound good. My White Knight crew has kind of just been commandeered by Sky Lynx, which leaves BCP with the Sky Reign team. I think they look better on him anyway. This all reminds me that I haven't even stuck Groove on anybody yet. Might have to free up Smokescreen off of BCP, 'cause you know I like to have at least one Datsun Bro stand alone.

Anyway, my Father's Day dessert treat showed up earlier than expected. Sooooo glad I held out. He is on super clearance at tru.com right now for $49.98 w/ free shippsies! I would have never paid the full $150 they were asking, and apparently neither would anyone else. :lol:

News Credits: 131 · by **no-one** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:59 pm

That looks like some pretty tasty rock candy you got there. I'm excited to see more.

News Credits: 4835 · by **william-james88** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:59 pm

Cobotron wrote:Anyway, my Father's Day dessert treat showed up earlier than expected. Sooooo glad I held out. He is on super clearance at tru.com right now for $49.98 w/ free shippsies! I would have never paid the full $150 they were asking, and apparently neither would anyone else.

But is it good? Would you recomend someon get this version over another?

News Credits: 41 · by **Cobotron** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:11 pm

I think I'll wait til tonight to open him. I gotta bunch of "grown up" crap to do. Starting to day dream of some colored LED lit back lighting shots for old Butterscotch here.

I would recommend this mold any day to everyone, but I think this version is kind of an acquired taste. The mold was so ahead of it's time and if I did a Top 5 Willy List of best Prime toys, he would be on it.

That reminds me Will, I worked on the L/L list over the weekend. Just a few minor edits and a shot or two of my L/L collection and it'll be good ta gizzy! ;)^